Latest I can find is that he joined Peel Thunder in the WAFL for the 2020 season. It was his second stint with them, the first ending in a premiership in 2016. He was the 6th lowest possession winner in the GF across both teams: https://wafl.com.au/match/league-subiac ... final-2016

Sounds like he was playing bush league between 2017-19 and possibly since 2021.

Heard SOS sleeps in an oxygen tent which gives him sexual powers.

This hindsight mirrors media feeds let by Cornes, Lloyd, etc. "Healy's" article said the Saints were without De Goey last year. Think he meant Jade Gresham.

Ahead of Yeo and Lachie Neale as well?

Boekhurst ahead of Jack Steele and Dillon Viojo-Rainbow and Boekhurst ahead of Touk Miller?

"The past". "All clubs". I understand those contentions but some of our decisions are actually laughable.

5 correct out of 41 and two of those were pick 1. Of the incorrect ones? Fisher and Silvagni have played 100 games. Silvagni is actually a great choice if you take Jordan Dawson out, despite his naysayers here.

Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni & Jones arrive in 2015. Plowman, Macreadie & Marchbank soon after that.

Having made those decisions, you couldn’t possibly consider Naughton, Allen, Jones, et al.

Similar story for Dunkley with Cripps only just coming into his frame.

Kreuzer, Casboult, Sauce 2.0 on the list… why would Darcy Cameron be considered? Kreuzer starts to fall apart in 2017 so we get De Koning.

That list is about 3x longer than reality, just on the needs of the day.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

And you can apply the same criticism to every club. Eg Luke Parker selected pick 40. So every club rated him not worth a second round pick?

Hindsight is wonderful but in drafting its pointless.

The big misses were the early draft picks in successive years i.e Dow, O’Brien, SPS, Fisher, Stocker, Marchbank, McGovern (had pick 12), Kemp (?).

That should have been the nucleus of our midfield.

When the club decided to rebuild, it specifically focused on building a team through the draft. The intent was for the younger players to develop together. It has failed.

How would people feel about

Trade TDK for Pick inside 12 and second round
McGovern for pick around 25
Then use money to get Harry Himmelberg as a FA

1-2 mid season draft picks

Go to draft with approx. 10, 12, 25 and a few others.
Get some quality role players like we did with Acres

We’re not getting anywhere near those returns.

We might get a pick in the 15-25 range for Tom, but Gov’s durability is DFA value - and he’s still going to turn away half the market.

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"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.

Seems like someone will need to be sacrificed given we’ve traded out of rounds 2&3 this year.

Not sure we can facilitate the change required with a first and two fourth round picks

I think we have the players ...

What we don't have is the right game plan or the right mentality!

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Yes

I believe most teams have the ingredients (talent) - within reason

The differentiator being culture, development and playing system. Sadly I think we’re losing on system and development.

This year we set ourselves to improve from within…..to date I haven’t experienced any improvement in system nor a marked improvement in one player

17 weeks to prove we are on the right track

I know we are coming from a long way back, but do you think as a club we are moving in the right direction with our list management?

I don't just mean getting draft picks right, I mean making good decisions and deals to gain an edge on the competition.

I feel a bit underwhelmed by the off-season outcomes. I bit my tongue a bit and tried to be positive, but I wonder if we need a shake up.

I know clubs say bEsT aVailABle but we really need a classy HF type like Zac Bailey. So lacking in that area.....most on Carlton's list are either not good enough or injury prone. Motlop offers some hope.

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Mini rebuild / clean out needed end of the year.

I expect around 8 changes

I think we have missed the boat

This rebuild is a failure. I can’t see this being turned around without significant changes to the list.

There simply isn’t enough run in this team

Brisbane found space way too easily for my liking. Probably also due to the horrendous turnovers.

Our turnovers tonight weren't missing the intended player by a metre or so. They were kicked to an opponent in 30m of space.

What does Ross Lyon say? Things are never as good as they seem, or never as bad as they seem.

Clearly we need more pace and skill. And especially a dangerous medium forward. But if most of our list are available, I'd still back us to win more than we lose and make finals.

I would be getting Harry's bro to play FB. Young showed the other night he is simply not a strong enough player to be a true KPD. Get Ben McKay via FA. Keep our first round pick.

Then we need speed around the ball and a quality mid size HFF.

Cuningham and Martin would fix those two problems but we simply cannot rely on these guys. They are terribly injury prone.

Use our first round pick to snare another quality running mid like Hollands last year, and then trade our second rounder for a quality HFF. We might need to add a sweetener to make the trade fair.

Of course is there anyone out there on the market and do they want to come to us?

I will put my hand up and say I don't know whether we should fight to keep TDK. My main concern with him is he isn't a good kick. I think he is overrated in so far as potential to be a forward of note. He has played 46 games and has kicked multiple goals in a game just once and that was a big tally of 2 goals. I know he is competing against the twin towers but seriously his kicking leaves a lot to be desired. I would assume if we were to let him go we would get a first rounder back. So that could be one way of getting a player we need.

So...

Ben McKay - FA
Quality, running mid - 1st Rounder
Quality HFF - TDK trade for 1st rounder

As well as players who can kick, players with composure would be nice.
Too many of our players panic and we see way too many rushed kicks out of our backline. This leads to repeat inside 50s for the opposition thereby putting even more pressure on our under siege backs.
No wonder they eventually crack.
To me, it seems to many of our players play with a fear of losing which leads to more errors rather than playing with a bit of dare and trusting themselves and their teammates.