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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 6:50 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
jpulice1969 wrote:
leg speed and run ,i am a just normal worker and i have been saying this for years ,yet sos recruits are all slow. need speed in defence priority saad and ???????


Williams (injured)

after him, Boyd (injured)

after him, Cottrell (injured)

after him Cincotta, or that's what I would have thought.


With a fit list our defence is fantastic and has run. I was excited in the pre season watching Doc, Williams, Saad, McGovern all fit and running out of defence. It looked awesome. Boyd makes it better as well

It's the midfield that's the real issue. With Kennedy Hewett Walsh injured early we then play Ed Curnow? Been a good player but slow as a wet week and can't kick over a jam tin. We added Acres, who is a good addition but he isn't quick either. Why isn't Carroll playing? With a fit list Docherty & Williams could easily play time on ball. That helps

Cottrell Cuningham Philp Martin are the types we need but none are best 22 yet and can't get on the partk

You can see why we are playing Cowan & Hollnds from Day one. They are the future and their type is needed. Binns will play soon

At years end we need to address run through the middle and X factor up forward. IMO our best 22 is good enough but we fall away badly after that and injuries are killing us

This side isn't slow at all

B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad
C: Acres Cripps Hollands
HF: Owies McKay Durdin
F: Motlop Curnow Martin
Foll: Pittonet Walsh Docherty
Int: TDK Cerra Kennedy Cuningham Fisher
Em: Philp Cottrell Binns Cowan


Unfortunately you will never see that team on the park on a long term basis. Too many injury prone players. There is definitely some zip to that team.

SOS in his desperation recruited some fragile players. We are paying the price now.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:48 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Article by Jake Niall nailed it in my opinion

We lack run, leg speed and depth. I would add skill/smart footballer to that list

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5d0ln.html
The missed games to McGovern, Williams, Martin, Cunningham (and Marchbank) are frightening when you see them in black and white like that..... Even scarier in reality

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 7:05 pm 
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I was saying to a mate today, we've actually done remarkably well to be where we are over the last 2 years, given we've effectively got half a dozen holes on our list, with players who are never available

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Article by Jake Niall nailed it in my opinion

We lack run, leg speed and depth. I would add skill/smart footballer to that list

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5d0ln.html

It’s hard to disagree with Niall here. In fact, he is pretty much repeating what some of us were saying in the off season.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 1:59 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Article by Jake Niall nailed it in my opinion

We lack run, leg speed and depth. I would add skill/smart footballer to that list

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5d0ln.html

It’s hard to disagree with Niall here. In fact, he is pretty much repeating what some of us were saying in the off season.


Can't get past the paywall. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 2:52 pm 
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If a club offered 2 first rounders for TDK I would jump at it

Give us 2 talented young kids plus major relief on our Salary Cap. I like TDK but we need to address some issues. Plus I really like what I see in Lemmey and O'Keefe


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Two firsts would be incredible. I'd settle for one, if it was top-12 or thereabouts.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 4:00 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Article by Jake Niall nailed it in my opinion

We lack run, leg speed and depth. I would add skill/smart footballer to that list

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5d0ln.html

It’s hard to disagree with Niall here. In fact, he is pretty much repeating what some of us were saying in the off season.


Can't get past the paywall. :cry:

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Many Carlton fans groaned upon learning that Mitch McGovern had suffered calf tightness during the warm-up on Thursday night and would be a late scratching at the Adelaide Oval.

The Blues were facing a primed Adelaide team at a ground where Carlton have lost all seven of their games against the Crows or Port Adelaide. They were not in stellar form, either, having scraped home against the Giants - assisted by a timely free for dissent - and then struggled for a half against a Kangaroos outfit that was without their two key defenders on Good Friday.

The Blues had little margin for mishap and there was something awfully predictable about McGovern’s injury at this critical moment, when Michael Voss’s team had established a platform to make the leap from fringe finals team to genuine top six or even top four contenders.

Carlton’s dismembering by a greatly improved Adelaide - the result shaped by the first 15 minutes of utter Crow domination - exposed the significant issues facing the Blues in a season in which finals should be the bare minimum given their top-end talent and trajectory.

The Blues have three overlapping problems that need redress if they are to finally end two decades of mediocrity and contend. These are: the lack of pace in the midfield; over-reliance on their key forward duo and - as underscored by McGovern’s injury - the large group of players, three highly paid, who are forever injured.

Adelaide exposed Carlton’s pace deficit in the midfield - a weakness that the Blues know all about and as yet have been unable to repair in trades. While the drafting of Ollie Hollands will help Carlton’s running capacity, he is a first-year player and won’t make a serious impact until next year at best.

The article then goes on to provide stats about how few games Williams, Marchbank, McGovern, Martin & Cunningham have played in the past few years and mentions how Philp & Kemp are looking like draft busts (surprised he didn’t throw in Dow too).
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/blu ... 5d0ln.html

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:11 pm 
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Need to go:

Marchbank Cuningham Plowman Dow Fogarty Martin Cuningham Philp Curnow Honey

TDK for the right deal

A few only survive as they have contracts


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:29 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Need to go:

Marchbank Cuningham Plowman Dow Fogarty Martin Cuningham Philp Curnow Honey

TDK for the right deal

A few only survive as they have contracts

Martin has a contract for next season, but that’s more or less the list.

If we’re not putting the big bucks on the table, then the market for Tom would be one pick in the 15-25 range.

Dow would have to play to generate any value outside the club.

Ed is a delicate one - you can’t just force good clubmen out the door and hope to be successful. He’s on a rookie deal, probably at the bargain rate…

The rest will be delisted.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:07 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
If we’re not putting the big bucks on the table, then the market for Tom would be one pick in the 15-25 range.


A club will offer him 800K+ IMHO.
You can't offer that and then expect us to take a pick 15-25. We'd get a pick in the 8-12 range IMHO. We don't need to hype him up. The unwarranted media love for Tom will do it for us.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
If we’re not putting the big bucks on the table, then the market for Tom would be one pick in the 15-25 range.


A club will offer him 800K+ IMHO.
You can't offer that and then expect us to take a pick 15-25. We'd get a pick in the 8-12 range IMHO. We don't need to hype him up. The unwarranted media love for Tom will do it for us.


Top 10 pick and a late second round would do it for me


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:26 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Need to go:

Marchbank Cuningham Plowman Dow Fogarty Martin Cuningham Philp Curnow Honey

TDK for the right deal

A few only survive as they have contracts

Martin has a contract for next season, but that’s more or less the list.

If we’re not putting the big bucks on the table, then the market for Tom would be one pick in the 15-25 range.

Dow would have to play to generate any value outside the club.

Ed is a delicate one - you can’t just force good clubmen out the door and hope to be successful. He’s on a rookie deal, probably at the bargain rate…

The rest will be delisted.


Sorry love his effort but Ed needs to go.

Been on the list for too long.

Too slow and his disposal has never been good enough.

We need to move past players like Plowman and Ed. In my view have always been plodders.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:32 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
If we’re not putting the big bucks on the table, then the market for Tom would be one pick in the 15-25 range.


A club will offer him 800K+ IMHO.
You can't offer that and then expect us to take a pick 15-25. We'd get a pick in the 8-12 range IMHO. We don't need to hype him up. The unwarranted media love for Tom will do it for us.

If there’s a club out there with that sort of money, good luck to him and them.

But yeah, we’d be asking for more if that were the case.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:03 pm 
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Any spots for Mid season draft or can we make some? Mid season draft becoming important


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:38 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Any spots for Mid season draft or can we make some? Mid season draft becoming important

We’re already +2 on the list & there’s a cap on ‘emergency’ spending.

Not impossible, but there would have to be some crafty accounting to add a third.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 7:47 pm 
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We have 44 on our list. Isn't that the number?

Philp & Williams LTI. Williams was replaced by Cincotta but I included him in the 44.

Does that mean we have 2 spots?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 8:12 pm 
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Philp & Williams were replaced by Cincotta & O’Keeffe.

I thought we were -1 before that, but the additional spot might’ve been a Cat B.

37 Primary
5 Cat A: O’Brien, Ed, Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin
2 Cat A replacements: Cincotta, O’Keeffe
1 Cat B: Akuei

Honestly, I’ve got NFI.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2023 6:01 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Philp & Williams were replaced by Cincotta & O’Keeffe.

I thought we were -1 before that, but the additional spot might’ve been a Cat B.

37 Primary
5 Cat A: O’Brien, Ed, Boyd, Mirkov, S.Durdin
2 Cat A replacements: Cincotta, O’Keeffe
1 Cat B: Akuei

Honestly, I’ve got NFI.


So by this I assume our list is full.

Do we then retire someone? If Cuningham's shoulder doesn't respond or Marchbank can't get on the park we can put them on the LTI. Still lot's of time to go


PS as an aside I think these days clubs should be able to carry more players. Injuries are just too big a penalty with 44 only on a list and the reserves should be mostly listed players. I would have 40 listed and 10 rookies that can be activated if needed


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:27 pm 
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Trade TDK for a first rounder plus
Trade McGovern

Delist Dow Plowman Cuningham Marchbank O'Brien Fisher Fogarty Philp Honey

Do some future trading to get picks now and also bring in some players through mid season and SSP

Curnow retires now and put Marchbank on LTI to get some mid seaosn picks


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