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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 11:01 am 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Last night took me back to the Pagan & Malthouse days


Nah, but the Teague days yes.


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Especially against a guy like O'Reilly who took control like a decent experienced ruckman would



Oh...just realised his name's actually Reilly O'Brien.

Anyway, we should have gone with Stubbs :grin:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:01 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
This is the first and last Gather Round? Am I right?



Haven't heard that.

Hope you're right, but I doubt it.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:03 pm 
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No more Stubb….

the US politics thread is closed Cee Kay…!

he has no other purpose for this site…!


kindest regards tommi






still sad…!




we got walloped…should’ve been ready for the
onslaught…!



sad…!




still…!

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No more Stubb….

the US politics thread is closed Cee Kay…!

he has no other purpose for this site…!


kindest regards tommi






still sad…!




we got walloped…should’ve been ready for the
onslaught…!



sad…!




still…!

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No more Stubb….

the US politics thread is closed Cee Kay…!

he has no other purpose for this site…!


kindest regards tommi






still sad…!




we got walloped…should’ve been ready for the
onslaught…!



sad…!




still…!

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%#@$ yas….

I’m not deleting the extra posts…!


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because I’m sad…!

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:07 pm 
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I would’ve taken 3.5 wins out of the first 5 at the start of the season.

But I have major concerns on a number of fronts.

I’m concerned about our midfield and losing our ‘one wood’ of significantly winning contested ball and clearances.
I’m concerned about our lack of speed and skill.
I’m concerned about our mid-forward connection.
I’m concerned about our ball movement.
I’m concerned about our transition defence.
I’m concerned about our kick ins.
I’m concerned about our perennial injuries.
I’m concerned about our coaching acumen.
I’m concerned about our mental maturity.
I’m concerned about our ability to handle expectation.
I’m concerned about our lack of overall progress thus far.

It’s a long season and there’s a lot to play out. But we have PLENTY to improve upon.

The reality is we are pretenders until we prove otherwise.

I sure hope we do.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:29 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
This is the first and last Gather Round? Am I right?



Haven't heard that.

Hope you're right, but I doubt it.

Reports today are suggesting SA will have it again next year.
All games are sold out and it has been a success so far.
If it gives us an extra round I don't mind it.
As long as we do not have to play another SA team again next year.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:29 pm 
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I’m not sure why I’m overreacting, it’s not like this is the first time we’ve been embarrassed like this


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 12:57 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I was always concerned as going to Adelaide on there home deck for the start of Gather Round was asking for trouble. The momentum and energy was all their way. Losing Docherty & McGovern hurt badly.

However, it also highlighted some major issues that we have escaped so far this seaoson

1. Our ball movement especially inside 50 is pathetic
2. Our forward structure and postioning is poor
3. Our skills in general are of a low standard
4. We lack genuine depth
5. We are slow through the middle
6. Too many players don't work through the hurt and for 4 quarters. Too many passengers

What happened to the exciting run we had last year? Have we gone too defensive?

This is only a few. The coaches have a lot to work on and it is imperative for our culture that we bounce back hard next week

Great post Farmer, balanced and not hysterical.
IMO these two highlighted points are the most important issues we have to fix.
Our skills all year have been off, handballs to the knees, missing targets with 15m kicks, putting other players under more pressure than they were, key forwards missing shots right in front of goal and long kicks to no targets at all.
Adelaide were clean, blocked for players, tapped to advantage and more importantly when they had a congested F50, they held the ball up and patiently waited for a lead and had the confidence and foot skills to hit the player in the tightest of gaps.
They were changing the tempo between arcs when necessary, unlike us when we seem to do this in blocks of attack or defensive play only.
Their forward line worked as a unit and separated from each other and lead well to spread the defence, something Charlie and McKay still can't do unless way up the ground.
Their midfield had the patience to slowly work the ball out wth handballs and spread our mids creating even more space to make us look like witches hats.
They individually stuck tackles where we had to have multiple tacklers and they still got away.
These are all basic skills we lack or have not been able to do this year for extended periods during a game.

As I said last year, we really needed a quick skilful inside mid that can rack up the numbers and a bonafide ruck.
I personally think we should be shopping around TDK if he wants to go this year and getting in a gun ruck instead.
He is not a ruck and not a forward either and we already have one of those in JSOS and for all his faults he bleeds blue and at least he was at the contest working hard last night.

I also think it's time to give Hollands and Cowan a rest, very average performances by both. Hollands was at 41.7% disposal efficiency (worst in the team), he needs a break, let's not do typical Carlton and destroy these kids, they have real potential.

As for the Voss bashing, FFS it's only his second year and history has proven changing coaches like we have has got us absolutely nowhere so how about we try and stick to one for a few years instead.
Look at Geelong, if Scott was at Carlton he would've been toast many times over in the last 10 years.
And as for comparisons with Fly, Collingwood has a pretty good list with top end mature talent.
The biggest issues we have is injuries and depth, not Voss.

But it is not all doom and gloom, our chances of winning this game were slim and even slimmer with Mitch and Doc out as Farmer has stated.
We have still won more than I predicted, hopefully this is a massive rocket up the ar$e$ of the club and we come out better next week..........it's only rd 4 and we need to keep building.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:31 pm 
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Have we over corrected on LY's negatives to the detriment of our positives?

Last night was deflating.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 1:42 pm 
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I sometimes wonder if we are over coached. We have lost that run and attack from last year.
I look at what McRae has done with the Pies. Very simple and works well


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:04 pm 
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Everything said on this page has been said before ,and after watching pre season practice games i said to my daughter NOTHING has changed from 22 season , we still go the long bomb into F50 , still are to slow (thanks sos recruiting )and fullback kick ins bomb it to contest and there is our problem everyone knows how to play against us because our game plan is u12 stuff. So what has Voss and CO worked on over summer, very disappointing by the coaching panel.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:04 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
I’m not sure why I’m overreacting, it’s not like this is the first time we’ve been embarrassed like this


Sydney had the best olympics ever and won’t get it again for a long time

Other states want a turn.

I don’t think I would fly to Perth if we are playing one of the local teams TBH.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:07 pm 
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All the players are here in the Virgin Loung.
They look like losers.
This defeat really stings.

It’s made everyone at the club look silly

It wasn’t the fault of peripheral players.
They owned the corridor.
The water parted and they had a lead up forward.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:12 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I was always concerned as going to Adelaide on there home deck for the start of Gather Round was asking for trouble. The momentum and energy was all their way. Losing Docherty & McGovern hurt badly.

However, it also highlighted some major issues that we have escaped so far this seaoson

1. Our ball movement especially inside 50 is pathetic
2. Our forward structure and postioning is poor
3. Our skills in general are of a low standard
4. We lack genuine depth
5. We are slow through the middle
6. Too many players don't work through the hurt and for 4 quarters. Too many passengers

What happened to the exciting run we had last year? Have we gone too defensive?

This is only a few. The coaches have a lot to work on and it is imperative for our culture that we bounce back hard next week

Great post Farmer, balanced and not hysterical.
IMO these two highlighted points are the most important issues we have to fix.
Our skills all year have been off, handballs to the knees, missing targets with 15m kicks, putting other players under more pressure than they were, key forwards missing shots right in front of goal and long kicks to no targets at all.
Adelaide were clean, blocked for players, tapped to advantage and more importantly when they had a congested F50, they held the ball up and patiently waited for a lead and had the confidence and foot skills to hit the player in the tightest of gaps.
They were changing the tempo between arcs when necessary, unlike us when we seem to do this in blocks of attack or defensive play only.
Their forward line worked as a unit and separated from each other and lead well to spread the defence, something Charlie and McKay still can't do unless way up the ground.
Their midfield had the patience to slowly work the ball out wth handballs and spread our mids creating even more space to make us look like witches hats.
They individually stuck tackles where we had to have multiple tacklers and they still got away.
These are all basic skills we lack or have not been able to do this year for extended periods during a game.

As I said last year, we really needed a quick skilful inside mid that can rack up the numbers and a bonafide ruck.
I personally think we should be shopping around TDK if he wants to go this year and getting in a gun ruck instead.
He is not a ruck and not a forward either and we already have one of those in JSOS and for all his faults he bleeds blue and at least he was at the contest working hard last night.

I also think it's time to give Hollands and Cowan a rest, very average performances by both. Hollands was at 41.7% disposal efficiency (worst in the team), he needs a break, let's not do typical Carlton and destroy these kids, they have real potential.

As for the Voss bashing, FFS it's only his second year and history has proven changing coaches like we have has got us absolutely nowhere so how about we try and stick to one for a few years instead.
Look at Geelong, if Scott was at Carlton he would've been toast many times over in the last 10 years.
And as for comparisons with Fly, Collingwood has a pretty good list with top end mature talent.
The biggest issues we have is injuries and depth, not Voss.

But it is not all doom and gloom, our chances of winning this game were slim and even slimmer with Mitch and Doc out as Farmer has stated.
We have still won more than I predicted, hopefully this is a massive rocket up the ar$e$ of the club and we come out better next week..........it's only rd 4 and we need to keep building.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:21 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I was always concerned as going to Adelaide on there home deck for the start of Gather Round was asking for trouble. The momentum and energy was all their way. Losing Docherty & McGovern hurt badly.

However, it also highlighted some major issues that we have escaped so far this seaoson

1. Our ball movement especially inside 50 is pathetic
2. Our forward structure and postioning is poor
3. Our skills in general are of a low standard
4. We lack genuine depth
5. We are slow through the middle
6. Too many players don't work through the hurt and for 4 quarters. Too many passengers

What happened to the exciting run we had last year? Have we gone too defensive?

This is only a few. The coaches have a lot to work on and it is imperative for our culture that we bounce back hard next week

Great post Farmer, balanced and not hysterical.
IMO these two highlighted points are the most important issues we have to fix.
Our skills all year have been off, handballs to the knees, missing targets with 15m kicks, putting other players under more pressure than they were, key forwards missing shots right in front of goal and long kicks to no targets at all.
Adelaide were clean, blocked for players, tapped to advantage and more importantly when they had a congested F50, they held the ball up and patiently waited for a lead and had the confidence and foot skills to hit the player in the tightest of gaps.
They were changing the tempo between arcs when necessary, unlike us when we seem to do this in blocks of attack or defensive play only.
Their forward line worked as a unit and separated from each other and lead well to spread the defence, something Charlie and McKay still can't do unless way up the ground.
Their midfield had the patience to slowly work the ball out wth handballs and spread our mids creating even more space to make us look like witches hats.
They individually stuck tackles where we had to have multiple tacklers and they still got away.
These are all basic skills we lack or have not been able to do this year for extended periods during a game.

As I said last year, we really needed a quick skilful inside mid that can rack up the numbers and a bonafide ruck.
I personally think we should be shopping around TDK if he wants to go this year and getting in a gun ruck instead.
He is not a ruck and not a forward either and we already have one of those in JSOS and for all his faults he bleeds blue and at least he was at the contest working hard last night.

I also think it's time to give Hollands and Cowan a rest, very average performances by both. Hollands was at 41.7% disposal efficiency (worst in the team), he needs a break, let's not do typical Carlton and destroy these kids, they have real potential.

As for the Voss bashing, FFS it's only his second year and history has proven changing coaches like we have has got us absolutely nowhere so how about we try and stick to one for a few years instead.
Look at Geelong, if Scott was at Carlton he would've been toast many times over in the last 10 years.
And as for comparisons with Fly, Collingwood has a pretty good list with top end mature talent.
The biggest issues we have is injuries and depth, not Voss.

But it is not all doom and gloom, our chances of winning this game were slim and even slimmer with Mitch and Doc out as Farmer has stated.
We have still won more than I predicted, hopefully this is a massive rocket up the ar$e$ of the club and we come out better next week..........it's only rd 4 and we need to keep building.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 2:44 pm 
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Disappointed but it was not devastating . Well , the first quarter was devastating i must admit . Just regroup and go again . A week is a long time in football and i expect us to come out a different side next week . Its a marathon and not a sprint so we are going to have our downers along the way . Things are going to script for mine coz i always thought the first half of the season would be scratchy . I feel the hard preseason and conservative injury management program will set us up for a second half of the season onslaught . We will come good .

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 3:20 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
I was always concerned as going to Adelaide on there home deck for the start of Gather Round was asking for trouble. The momentum and energy was all their way. Losing Docherty & McGovern hurt badly.

However, it also highlighted some major issues that we have escaped so far this seaoson

1. Our ball movement especially inside 50 is pathetic
2. Our forward structure and postioning is poor
3. Our skills in general are of a low standard
4. We lack genuine depth
5. We are slow through the middle
6. Too many players don't work through the hurt and for 4 quarters. Too many passengers

What happened to the exciting run we had last year? Have we gone too defensive?

This is only a few. The coaches have a lot to work on and it is imperative for our culture that we bounce back hard next week

Great post Farmer, balanced and not hysterical.
IMO these two highlighted points are the most important issues we have to fix.
Our skills all year have been off, handballs to the knees, missing targets with 15m kicks, putting other players under more pressure than they were, key forwards missing shots right in front of goal and long kicks to no targets at all.
Adelaide were clean, blocked for players, tapped to advantage and more importantly when they had a congested F50, they held the ball up and patiently waited for a lead and had the confidence and foot skills to hit the player in the tightest of gaps.
They were changing the tempo between arcs when necessary, unlike us when we seem to do this in blocks of attack or defensive play only.
Their forward line worked as a unit and separated from each other and lead well to spread the defence, something Charlie and McKay still can't do unless way up the ground.
Their midfield had the patience to slowly work the ball out wth handballs and spread our mids creating even more space to make us look like witches hats.
They individually stuck tackles where we had to have multiple tacklers and they still got away.
These are all basic skills we lack or have not been able to do this year for extended periods during a game.

As I said last year, we really needed a quick skilful inside mid that can rack up the numbers and a bonafide ruck.
I personally think we should be shopping around TDK if he wants to go this year and getting in a gun ruck instead.
He is not a ruck and not a forward either and we already have one of those in JSOS and for all his faults he bleeds blue and at least he was at the contest working hard last night.

I also think it's time to give Hollands and Cowan a rest, very average performances by both. Hollands was at 41.7% disposal efficiency (worst in the team), he needs a break, let's not do typical Carlton and destroy these kids, they have real potential.

As for the Voss bashing, FFS it's only his second year and history has proven changing coaches like we have has got us absolutely nowhere so how about we try and stick to one for a few years instead.
Look at Geelong, if Scott was at Carlton he would've been toast many times over in the last 10 years.
And as for comparisons with Fly, Collingwood has a pretty good list with top end mature talent.
The biggest issues we have is injuries and depth, not Voss.

But it is not all doom and gloom, our chances of winning this game were slim and even slimmer with Mitch and Doc out as Farmer has stated.
We have still won more than I predicted, hopefully this is a massive rocket up the ar$e$ of the club and we come out better next week..........it's only rd 4 and we need to keep building.


100%

Hollands could’ve hanballed and hit targets for better Def% but chose to take on the opposition and run with the ball because he didn’t handball to players in worse positions as some do.

It was easy to congest our path because it was obvious we favour one side of the ground. Hollands didn’t like tired to me. He is a Duracell bunny. At one stage after a huge running effort he was tanked and tried to sprint but couldn’t. 10 seconds past, and he was off again making ground quickly.

Who would we replace Hollands with? If he does need a rest then by all means rest him. He’s a gem.

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