Think with a fully available sub, playing two rucks isn't quite the gamble as it has been in the past few years.

Ideally Pittonet subbed off midway through the third for Fisher/Honey.

If they're playing Martin/McGovern though, I doubt that's going to go to plan.

Durdin not in

CARLTON
8.Jack Lefroy, 9.Hayden Gill, 10.Lachlan Swaney, 14.Liam McMahon, 16.Mitch McGovern, 17.Callum Verrell, 18.Mitch Moschetti, 20.Jacob Naismith, 21.Jack Martin, 22.Jed Brereton, 23.Blake Kuipers, 24.Archie Stevens, 26.Patrick Dozzi, 27.Marc Pittonet, 28.Aidan Mills, 29.Hamish Sinnott, 30.Michael Lewis, 31.Tyreece Leiu, 32.Girgio Varagiannis, 34.Will White, 36.Josh Honey, 38.Ben Moyle, 41.Luke Parks, 43.Ethan Bentley, 44.Matt Owies, 46.Logan Prout.

IN: Kuipers, Leiu, Martin, McGovern, McMahon, Moyle, Naismith, Owies, Parks, Varagiannis, Verrell.
OUT: D.Akuei, J.Binns, N.Cahill, J.Carroll, A.Cincotta, P.Dow, S.Durdin, S.Grant, B.Kemp, M.Kennedy, H.Lemmey, Z.Maher, A.Mirkov, L.O’Brien, H.O’Keeffe, L.Plowman, H.Ramshaw, B.Ronke.

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anyone with any news on Kemp?

No Marchbank in that side

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I can’t see it working out that way.

- You play two rucks to maintain strength in that role for the full game. I just can’t see how you stay on track with that by pulling one out after half a game.
- You can’t hide one on the bench without affecting the rotations elsewhere, so they’re both on the field.
- Limited interchanges, on top of all the usual logistics with getting a follower to the bench makes it impossible to play ‘short n sharp’ shifts in the position.
- If you bury one in the forward line & they can’t have an impact, then the need for the extra transition defender is going to come on in a hurry.

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So none of Little Durds, Marchbank or Kemp are playing VFL.
Assume then none have a chance to face Bitchmond next week.

i dont know about you guys, but I dont think Owies offers much to this side. He doesnt kick many goals, is not quick, doesnt help up the ground much and doesnt get many touches. And he is poor in front of goal even directly in front 30 metres out. (does my head in). Spewing little durds is not fit.

I agree.
I don't think many if any fans have him pegged to be a 200 gamer for Carlton.

But what he does well is he knows how to find space and is a decent set shot for goal.
He is good for a goal a game.
The game against Coll, not the last game but the R11 game I think, he kicked 2 good goals when we were coming back at Coll late. That underlined he can play at the senior level.
But yeah he is no star and that is what we need from that small forward position. We are hoping Motlop will be that player.
I should also add, I suspect the club have data that shows he (Owies) is pretty good at applying defensive pressure up forward. This is a very important metric when measuring small forwards.

I'd swap Martin for Owies if Martin is available...Owies really becoming a meh small forward for mine

We need Hollands' run on the outside

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Runs and pressures in the forward line like a lunatic.... Doesn't miss when he gets his chance...

Both areas are otherwise a worry.... So I think he'll play... I think he's up there with the early picks tbh

Go Blues

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Good side but I would have Martin (if fit) ahead of Cowan...

Also have Cincotta ahead of Cowan in the real stuff.... I have Ed on the bench but not as a sub.... He starts...
In the praccies he didn't have a role, but I suspect he uses strength and fitness in the real stuff.... He's a tagging option at least.

That leaves... Maybe... Newman as sub? SOS is the perfect sub, but I think he will (and want him to) start

My2c anyway

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I think we can all pick 20 of the 22 give or take missing 1 or 2 like do they go 2 rucks?

Otherwise throw a blanket over the last 2 ... Hollands, Cowan, Dow, Owies, Carroll, Honey

Very big chance one of the new kids gets a game.

Personally I'm leaning towards playing TDK as a forward with JSOS on the bench.

Saad Weiters Young
Newman McG Doc
LOB Cripps Acres
Pitto Hewett Cerra
Martin Charlie Fish
Motlop Harry TDK

JSOS Kennedy .... ? Take your pick from Hollands, Cowan, Dow, Owies, Carroll, Honey

I think there is a big chance Hollands plays. I think they'll want his run. More for his ability to shut down gaps than to necessarily rack up numbers. His ability to cover the ground is terrific. So more for his defensive traits.

And equally it must be tempting to give Cowan a shot. Kid is built like a fkn tank.

Is it too risky playing 2 first year draftees? It's a stretch.

Cowan feels like the safer bet. But Hollands' run and speed could prove decisive.

B: Cowan Young Saad
HB: Docherty Weitering McGovern
C: Carroll Hewett Acres
R: Pittonet Cripps Cerra
HF: Silvagni McKay Fisher
F: Motlop C.Curnow C.Durdin
I: Newman Kennedy E.Curnow Martin
S: Owies

Hollands or O’Brien if Durdin can’t go. Cincotta the other emergency.

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Honey kicked 2
Martin 1
They lost 5 8 38 to 5 13 43

Lead 38 to 29 early in the last.

Is the weather shit in Melbourne because scores were terrible

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- Honey with two long-range goals
- Martin some great moments after plenty of individual attention
- Gov intercepting behind the ball
- Pitto strong as ever

AFL-listed boys got through unscathed

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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/12810 ... es-quartet

VFL practice match report: Strong showings from Blues quartet

Carlton's AFL-listed players emerged unscathed in a VFL practice match against Port Melbourne.

By Cristian Filippo, Carlton Media - Just now



CARLTON’S AFL-listed quartet emerged unscathed in a narrow VFL practice match loss to Port Melbourne.

In a side featuring some AFL talent, new VFL recruits on managed minutes and a number of developing players on the Carlton Reserves, the Blues narrowly fell with the last kick of the game against the Borough.

Josh Honey kicked two goals while Jack Martin’s application and physicality was on display for four quarters. Marc Pittonet gave a typically solid presence in the ruck, while Mitch McGovern was composed behind the ball for three quarters.

Quarter one

Jack Martin joined Marc Pittonet at the opening centre bounce, throwing his body around from the outset. Another AFL-listed Blue got involved early, with Josh Honey kicking the opening goal of the game from long range. The passage of play was launched from an impressive intercept mark from Liam McMahon, with the VFL recruit enjoying a bright start in defence in his first hitout for his new side. It was an end-to-end term with meaningful chances hard to come by, but young key forward Jed Brereton benefited from some good work from Logan Prout to give the Blues the lead at the first change. 

Quarter two

It was a wasteful quarter for both sides at IKON Park, with the first and only goal scored - via Port Melbourne - in the 23rd minute. In his first game of 2023, Tyreece Leiu picked up where he left off at the end of last year, attacking the ball at speed and rebounding at will. He was well supported by Mitch McGovern, who took a number of intercept marks. Martin’s strength at the contest was again on show in the front half, although a chance went begging late in the quarter: it was indicative of the Blues’ quarter, managing five behinds for the term to head into the main break four points in arrears. 

Quarter three 

Kicking things off the same way he did in the first, Honey converted from a set shot just inside the arc in the opening minute to give the Blues the best possible start. Similar to the pattern which unfolded over the first two quarters, the defences of both teams were on top while the two sides failed to convert going forward. McGovern and Pittonet both had strong defensive moments to stop promising Port Melbourne attacks, while Hayden Gill kicked truly immediately after Port Melbourne hit the lead to give Carlton a slight lead at the final change. 

Quarter four

Martin was the hot hand in the opening stages of the final term. Inside three minutes, Martin had taken a strong contested mark, won possession for his team in their own half and pushed forward to kick a goal, giving his team a nine-point lead. Pittonet rose in some big moments late in the final term, with some good work overhead and a crunching tackle in a matter of minutes. However, Port Melbourne kicked the next two goals of a truncated 20-minute final quarter, with the last major coming seconds before the siren to end the game in a five-point defeat for the Blues. 

 

 

CARLTON RESERVES       2.1     2.6       4.7       5.8 (38)

PORT MELBOURNE          1.4     2.10     3.11      5.13 (43)


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Sounds like McG and Martin will be selected.
I could see Honey as the sub but there may be others ahead of him at this stage?


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I have something of an unfounded tolerance for Jack Martin. I always feel like he bobs up for a goal or two in games where he is invariably quiet.

He rarely does enough to warrant a spot. But I can't bear the thought of him not playing.

Is that totally irrational?

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Maybe you've only got one camera angle like I usually do.

If you get to watch behind the goals camera or follow Martin in a live game, he runs and runs and runs. He gets up and down the ground filling in spots and providing an option.

That relentless running often is unrewarded. And he does throw his weight around. One tough cookie. No wonder he's regularly on the injury list.

I like what he does and what he can do, its just the ongoing soft tissue injury that shits me....and the calf is a cow

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