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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2023 9:01 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
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Very happy with such promotions. It’s how it should be for players performing in our VFL team and being fully invested. Well done CFC = culture building.

Ps. He does remind me a little of Scotland.


I"ll test your memories Suzz and Bondi . I reckon he has a Barry Mulcair vibe about him myself .

Barry Mulcair No35 from South Bendigo. Maybe paved the way for another No 35 from South Bendigo,
Peter Dean........That worked out alright ! :wink:


Peter Dean . You talk about Carlton greats and Peter Dean was right up there for mine . The sort of player who gave you 100 % for 100 % of the time . Never beaten was Peter . If you were in the trenches you would like Peter to be beside you . Highly underrated .


Nah Mick.

No CFC supporter ever underrated Peter Dean. :smile:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Love Peterdean….

one word…Peterdean…like EddieBetts…!


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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GWS wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
murraycray wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
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Very happy with such promotions. It’s how it should be for players performing in our VFL team and being fully invested. Well done CFC = culture building.

Ps. He does remind me a little of Scotland.


I"ll test your memories Suzz and Bondi . I reckon he has a Barry Mulcair vibe about him myself .

Barry Mulcair No35 from South Bendigo. Maybe paved the way for another No 35 from South Bendigo,
Peter Dean........That worked out alright ! :wink:


Peter Dean . You talk about Carlton greats and Peter Dean was right up there for mine . The sort of player who gave you 100 % for 100 % of the time . Never beaten was Peter . If you were in the trenches you would like Peter to be beside you . Highly underrated .


Nah Mick.

No CFC supporter ever underrated Peter Dean. :smile:


Of course " G "................but outside of our Club he barely gets a mention .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:19 pm 
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I love this quote from an interview with Daniel Okeefe, made in reference to Cincotta's journey from VFL to AFL player, former VFL Reserves coach Daniel O'Keefe clearly giving cudos to the Club creating a successful VFL and development program.

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“There’s proof in the pudding: it’s a sensational thing and a testament to not just the VFL program at Carlton, but the whole Club to have that faith.

“Luke Power is clearly doing a great job now. I’m glad that he’s in the role because I still see the Carlton Reserves as my baby but I see Luke as a bit of a brother — I’m glad it’s still in the family!”


The spirit within the four walls is brilliant.

List management relies on good development for its success. I think we are finally there to be the best for a long long time.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1272954/-he-s-defied-all-the-odds-o-keefe-on-alex-s-amazing-story

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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and what about this comment says about the quality of our List Manager Nick Austin...

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While Cincotta was informed of the news by Voss late on Wednesday afternoon, O’Keefe was well aware of his old club’s intentions.

A phone call from Head of List Management Nick Austin meant O’Keefe could rest easy.

“I had a conversation with Nick about Alex a couple of weeks ago, after Zaccy Williams unfortunately did his knee,” he said.

“When I saw Nick’s name pop up on my phone when I knew it was deadline day, I was hoping and thinking it’d be good news.

“Nick gave me the courtesy phone call and, knowing the journey we’ve been on together, it’s fair to say I got a bit emotional on the phone.
“Alex and I then spoke. We had a good chat… and I got emotional talking to him as well!”

O’Keefe departed his role as the coach of the Carlton Reserves at the end of last year, stepping away from AFL football and moving to Warrnambool with his wife and two young sons.


https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1272954/-he-s-defied-all-the-odds-o-keefe-on-alex-s-amazing-story

We clearly have people of great character everywhere in the club. Its a different club to the one 10 and 20 years ago: Post Judd and pre Judd.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:43 am 
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Inside Carlton’s 2023 list
List manager: Nick Austin

Recruiting manager: Mick Agresta

Victorian recruiting manager: Paul Brodie

THE BUILD

JACKPOT PICKS

Patrick Cripps (pick 13, 2013)

Jacob Weitering (pick 1, 2015)

Harry McKay (pick 10, 2015)

Charlie Curnow (pick 12, 2015)

Sam Walsh (pick 1, 2018)

BARGAIN BIN

Tom De Koning (pick 30, 2017)

SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

BIG DEALS

Zac Williams (from GWS) - Six-year deal worth up to $700,000 a season until 2026

Mitch McGovern (from Adelaide) - Five-year deal worth up to $800,000 a season until 2023

Jack Martin (from Gold Coast) - Five-year deal worth up to $600,000 a season until 2024

MISSES

Sam Petrevski-Seton (pick 6, 2016) - Traded to West Coast

Liam Stocker (pick 19, 2018) - Delisted. Picked up by St Kilda

OUT-OF-CONTRACT

Tom De Koning

Jack Silvagni (free agent)

Mitch McGovern

Jesse Motlop

AGE PROFILE

18-21: 9

22-24: 12

25-29: 21

30: + 2

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 10:44 am 
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As much as the Blues drafted in the key cornerstones of its predicted round 1 team, the reality is Carlton has traded in almost half the side.

It was a strategic move to build the depth Carlton didn’t have after a wipe-out in the 2014 draft and failed trades with Greater Western Sydney in 2015 and 2016.

In total, 10 players in the likely season-opening side have come via trades or free agency, including five of the starting six defenders and the bulk of the midfield.

That is Nic Newman (Sydney Swans), McGovern (Adelaide), Sam Docherty (Brisbane), Lewis Young (Western Bulldogs) and Adam Saad (Essendon*) from the back line and Adam Cerra (Fremantle), George Hewett (Sydney Swans), Matthew Kennedy (GWS), Blake Acres (Fremantle) and Marc Pittonet (Hawthorn) in the middle.

Austin’s moves for Saad, an All-Australian last year, and hard nut Hewett as a restricted free agent, were both brilliant additions, helping take the list forward from the Teague era.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2023 11:39 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


In a way, was part of the Gibbs trade. Got 10 and 16 from Crows, traded 16 to Dogs for 30 and 28 and then 28 to GWS for Kennedy.
Took 30 to the draft to get TDK.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


True but we also technically delisted him and re-listed him as a rookie.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


True but we also technically delisted him and re-listed him as a rookie.

Not quite.

He was never delisted. Amidst the COVID makey-uppy, we were allowed to move him to the rookie list without having to delist him first.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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SHREWD MOVES

George Hewett (Restricted free agent)

Matthew Kennedy (rookie elevation)

Lewis Young (traded pick 48)

Adam Saad (traded pick 10)

Marc Pittonet (traded 54 and 57)

SOURCE: CHAMPION DATA


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/cap-space-jay-clark-looks-at-carltons-list-tom-de-konings-future-the-cap-squeeze-and-more/news-story/c8fee5d9c629acfe36e6d5f623e49a40

It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


True but we also technically delisted him and re-listed him as a rookie.

Not quite.

He was never delisted. Amidst the COVID makey-uppy, we were allowed to move him to the rookie list without having to delist him first.


You'd better tell the club

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/11267 ... -the-brink

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On the fringes of a struggling Blues team, he had been delisted at the end of 2020 and then re-drafted as a rookie.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Adam Saad pick 10, hardly a shrewd move - Saad was out of contract - but we blinked on Dodoro’s bullshit bluffing.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Blue Vain wrote:
Crusader wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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It’s nitpicking, but we traded pick 28 for Kennedy & a joint like Champion Data ought to know that.


True but we also technically delisted him and re-listed him as a rookie.

Not quite.

He was never delisted. Amidst the COVID makey-uppy, we were allowed to move him to the rookie list without having to delist him first.


You'd better tell the club

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/11267 ... -the-brink

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On the fringes of a struggling Blues team, he had been delisted at the end of 2020 and then re-drafted as a rookie.

If they look at either the delistings, or draft lists from that year, they’ll know.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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If the only way to keep TDK at the end of the year is Zac Williams and our first rounder as a cap dump, would you do it?


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Adam Saad pick 10, hardly a shrewd move - Saad was out of contract - but we blinked on Dodoro’s bullshit bluffing.


:roll:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If the only way to keep TDK at the end of the year is Zac Williams and our first rounder as a cap dump, would you do it?


Always thinking outside the square Galty.

Great idea.

Saints are throwing heaps of money at TDK; money we can't match.

But TDK wants to stay a Blue unless we decide to let him go (by offering a Tuohy like contract which he would have to refuse)

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bondiblue wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
If the only way to keep TDK at the end of the year is Zac Williams and our first rounder as a cap dump, would you do it?


Always thinking outside the square Galty.

Great idea.

Saints are throwing heaps of money at TDK; money we can't match.

But TDK wants to stay a Blue unless we decide to let him go (by offering a Tuohy like contract which he would have to refuse)


Geez , that Zac Touhy thing turned out well didn't it . No way known would i lowball Tom . I would offer him a good deal ( not a sky's the limit deal ) that would keep . Tom has faults as a player for sure but his upside is too good to ignore . In ruck terms he is a baby and in time he will be a star ......................

PS i agree with you Bondi on Rod Spooky Galt . Superstar poster . Doesn't come on here often but when he does its kapow type stuff . Obviously a bloke who knows his footy inside out like your goodself Bondi ............ how good is TC ?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:22 am 
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Hey Mickstar

Do you know who Gulden is now?

He and Brayden Campbell would have to be in the top 10 kicks, if not top 5 kicks in the comp.
Amazing talents.

Now compare 20yo Gulden and what he's achieved EVERY year since he was 18yo (you just missed it), and compare him with Fisher who is same size and 24yo nearing 100 games.

There's the difference in standards the 2 teams expect from their small forward/ mids.

Despite being a Sydney grown boy, maybe one day ... Gulden will come home ... to Carlton.

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