Good question

I spoke to a Carlton player who has played with Cuningham
Obviously can’t name him but he said he was frustrated by his inability to get involved
So often in games he has been missing in action
Oodles of talent
Beautiful kick quick but you don’t give a three year deal given his output up till 2020
Mc Govern
One trick pony
Tried up forward hasn’t worked
Was sent to the fat farm in 2019
Doesn’t work hard enough defensively
In his whole AFL career has barely got past 20 possessions in any game
That trade and his salary and his contract length is an embarrassment to
the club
Cuningham and Mc Govern along with Martin are suck me in players
They can look the most awesome player for a few milliseconds but overall their output is average

We can’t continue to carry the same injury prone players and expect different results year on year as others have flagged above.

Philp. Done for the year again. Out of contract. Struggle to see how he stays on the list beyond 2023z

Cuningham. Out of contract. If he requires shoulder surgery, I think that’s it for him at Carlton. Have always liked his talent and think he could have been a 100-150 game player if durable but it’s clear he’s not and we can’t sit around for another year hoping the penny will drop.

McGovern and Marchbank also out of contract. McGovern with a back issue at the moment but who knows the severity. Both need to show they can play 15 or more games to be safe. As they play a similar role, my guess is one stays and one goes unless they both miraculously find a way to stay on the park for the majority of the season.

Martin contracted for 2024. Another one who needs to show he can play the majority of the season and also contribute at least consistently. Only positive is his salary is back ended so not as much of an imposition on the salary cap.

Williams contracted until end of 2026. Out for the year. Big money - north of 800k if reports are correct. Privately I suspect the club would admit they’ve got this one wrong. Not only can’t be stay on the park but his salary hinders our ability to retain players and recruit players. Put it this way, we can get two George Hewett’s (400k pa) for the price of Williams.

3pm & still no news

Where's the nervous Nellies thread....

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Well said
McGovern Martin Cuningham Marchbank all under SOSs watch
Fascinating how St Kilda go over the next few years
With a coach who became outdated at Freo refused to change and had the pomposity to say he had never coached better
Then he surrounds himself with his mates
SOS
Misson
Allen
Dr Richardson
Goddard
Hayes
St Kilda are like we were 8 or so years ago
Go the quick fix
Get guys like Ryder Jones Hill( check out that trade and his contract) and it doesn’t work
It never does
Over rate the players there and hey presto a guy like Hill looks shit because nobody can give the pill to him
As a supporter of the CFC we have progressed past previous indiscretions
But the stench of SOSs stay is still hovering over Princes Park
As the previous poster said if Cuningham Mc Govern and Marchbank can’t prove to us all that they play consistently good footy over a season then they must be chopped at the end of 2023 rather than giving them a 2 year or 1 year contract based on potential
Ditto Martin in 2024

Who knows what the season holds, but I doubt any of them will be at the club next year except Williams & Martin.

The sad part is that Cunningham, Marchbank, McGovern, Martin & Williams - I exclude Philp (2 games) - have all shown that, not only can they mix it at the highest level, they can be difference makers.

But, if they can’t get on the park…..well, at some point we have to cut our losses. I hope Boyd isn’t heading in the same direction.

I know it’s only February, and we don’t know the extent of Cunningham & McGovern’s injuries yet, but I think in this case the past is a reasonable indicator of future events….

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McGoverns output at Crows was questionable
To sell the farm to get him so far as been proven to be ridiculous
Ditto Martin at GC soft
Ditto Marchbank
Cuningham lacks real drive and competitiveness despite his age and bad luck with injuries

I'm sure he'll be fine...

I am surprised the club haven't updated the injury list for so long especially given there is a game of sorts on tomorrow.

I'm not surprised. They suck at updating it

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To be fair it’s a hell of a big task.

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True, & the IT guy is probably injured

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Broken fingernail

Reckon its RSI .

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https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/12741 ... d-revealed

Players listed across both the AFL and VFL sides (Matt Kennedy, Lachie Plowman, Josh Honey, Alex Cincotta and Alex Mirkov) will have their game time managed to ensure they play enough minutes across both games.

New recruits Jaxon Binns, Harry Lemmey and Hudson O’Keeffe have been listed in the VFL side, giving them the opportunity to show what they’ve got in their early days in the Navy Blue.

Mitch McGovern will miss the simulation after receiving a knee to the back during match simulation, however being on light duties for a he has already returned to full training and is expected to be available for the Sydney practice match next week.

Small forwards Matt Owies and Corey Durdin were recently managed with hamstring tightness but are likely to play against Sydney, while David Cuningham dislocated his shoulder this week, with the Club currently working through the best path for his recovery, which should be known by the middle of next week.

Caleb Marchbank and Jack Martin both played half a match simulation last week and have been in full training as part of their individual programs to be ready for the start of the season, whilst Lachie Fogarty is expected to play in a VFL practice match before the season starts as he remains on track from his return from a back injury.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/12741 ... d-revealed

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I thought C Durdin had a calf injury?

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Thanks Sydney Blue

Puts things in perspective.

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Thanks for that.
For the record, I put Marchbank in a different category to McGov, Williams and Martin. I think Marchbank does all he can to get himself right but has had a lot of bad luck. I never expected him to shoot the lights out last year but just to get through the year. I am optimistic that he will find his best form this season (Players often require 6-12months after they get back to the field to play really well again).
I do think McG makes a big difference to us structurally when he plays in the backline. But he will need to severly lift his application particularly off the field re training, physio etc... Ditto Martin. Ditto Williams although it sounds like he was doing that over summer.
The other problem with the Williams deal was that we are paying him like a gun midfielder. I do think when he plays he is a gun half-back, but that is different to the gun mid we were recruiting... (of course, Docherty might be that guy ).

I think that’s code for 1-2 weeks - in other words season.

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