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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:18 pm 
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Ed would be our only player aged 30+ wouldn't he? I don't mind retaining him


How many games has Ed missed in the last ten years? I could be wrong but my guess is that he’s been extremely durable and reliable, let’s not write him off because he missed one season.


Makes no sense to retain Ed on the list. He is a plodder.

We really need to be making some inroads next year otherwise our premiership window may close quicker than you think.


We have many plodders on our list who are easily replaced, Ed comes cheapest and is a proven performer, which is more than I can say for the other plodders.

We may get value by trading Dow and Setterfield but we won’t with Ed. It makes perfect sense from an overall list and cost management of fringe players.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 9:59 am 
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:44 am 
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 10:54 am 
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed


Setterfield is worth twice as much as Francis. Agree.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:17 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed


Setterfield is worth twice as much as Francis. Agree.


By what measure?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:42 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed


Setterfield is worth twice as much as Francis. Agree.


By what measure?


Previous output alone.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:44 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed


Setterfield is worth twice as much as Francis. Agree.


By what measure?


Previous output alone.


At a minimum the same. I'm very disappointed we are letting him go


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:45 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:54 am 
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At the moment Setterfield is behind Cripps Hewett & Kennedy as inside bulls and you can't play them all. The issue is how long will they play every game? Given our injury issues we need depth and competition for spots.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:38 pm 
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At the moment Setterfield is behind Cripps Hewett & Kennedy as inside bulls and you can't play them all. The issue is how long will they play every game? Given our injury issues we need depth and competition for spots.


Yep . I wouldn't be relying on 'em all being fit at the same time . I would be chasing another midfielder to add to our roster myself . And if anyone thinks are going to dominate like they did early this year is dreaming . Took them about four rounds for 'em to work us out . Better develop another strategy . Our midfield worked really well in the last two rounds when Setterfield and Doherty were in there . There's a message in that in itself . Don't keep going to the same Well .

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:40 pm 
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At the moment Setterfield is behind Cripps Hewett & Kennedy as inside bulls and you can't play them all. The issue is how long will they play every game? Given our injury issues we need depth and competition for spots.


Yep . I wouldn't be relying on 'em all being fit at the same time . I would be chasing another midfielder to add to our roster myself . And if anyone thinks are going to dominate like they did early this year is dreaming . Took them about four rounds for 'em to work us out . Better develop another strategy . Our midfield worked really well in the last two rounds when Setterfield and Doherty were in there . There's a message in that in itself . Don't keep going to the same Well .


I am also hoping we add someone like Sheezel through the draft.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 12:54 pm 
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At the moment Setterfield is behind Cripps Hewett & Kennedy as inside bulls and you can't play them all. The issue is how long will they play every game? Given our injury issues we need depth and competition for spots.


Yep . I wouldn't be relying on 'em all being fit at the same time . I would be chasing another midfielder to add to our roster myself . And if anyone thinks are going to dominate like they did early this year is dreaming . Took them about four rounds for 'em to work us out . Better develop another strategy . Our midfield worked really well in the last two rounds when Setterfield and Doherty were in there . There's a message in that in itself . Don't keep going to the same Well .



Yes flexibility to rotate players through different positions is important.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:49 pm 
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

No, progress is getting value for letting AFL standard players go for reasonable compo. Our list is strong and we are letting go of quality now, not like 5 yrs ago. We need to learn how to sell

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 2:12 pm 
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killpies wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

No, progress is getting value for letting AFL standard players go for reasonable compo. Our list is strong and we are letting go of quality now, not like 5 yrs ago. We need to learn how to sell

How does the price paid for Francis figure in to that?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 3:54 pm 
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killpies wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

No, progress is getting value for letting AFL standard players go for reasonable compo. Our list is strong and we are letting go of quality now, not like 5 yrs ago. We need to learn how to sell

Setterfield had finally earned his place in the team when played in his rightful position in the back end of the season.

If he wants to move to the * play the dodo hand, make them pay overs.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 4:13 pm 
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Setterfield had finally earned his place in the team when played in his rightful position in the back end of the season.

If he wants to move to the * play the dodo hand, make them pay overs.

Agree - I never understood why we played him on the wing.
I'm happy to let Dow go cheaply however I think we need Setterfield as backup for when the likes of Hewett and Kennedy get injured.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:49 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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Crusader wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

No, progress is getting value for letting AFL standard players go for reasonable compo. Our list is strong and we are letting go of quality now, not like 5 yrs ago. We need to learn how to sell

How does the price paid for Francis figure in to that?

"Look Dodo, you got a 3rd round for Francis who couldn't get a game in your shit team, and you want to pay a 4th for a starting inside mid. Try again"

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:02 pm 
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killpies wrote:
Crusader wrote:
killpies wrote:
Crusader wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed

Because progress is preventing other clubs from paying overs?

No, progress is getting value for letting AFL standard players go for reasonable compo. Our list is strong and we are letting go of quality now, not like 5 yrs ago. We need to learn how to sell

How does the price paid for Francis figure in to that?

"Look Dodo, you got a 3rd round for Francis who couldn't get a game in your shit team, and you want to pay a 4th for a starting inside mid. Try again"

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:18 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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If * get a 3rd round for Francis and we take less for Setters, we have not progressed


Setterfield is worth twice as much as Francis. Agree.


By what measure?


Previous output alone.


Previous output?
They've been in the game at least 6 seasons and neither has played 60 games and neither has cemented a place in their respective teams.
Both fringe players and uncontracted. Neither are worth more than a third round pick.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:22 pm 
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killpies wrote:
"Look Dodo, you got a 3rd round for Francis who couldn't get a game in your shit team, and you want to pay a 4th for a starting inside mid. Try again"


Well, with half our actual midfield out in 2 games he was a starter, so you're technically correct.

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