If you don't like a player e.g. Dow , then you will find other options ......... i mean G , they played whipping boy there for most of the year and he was available not mention re jigging the lineup . Nah , can't have it G , season the line you put a bloke in there you faith in not last choice desperation wishful thinking stuff . This is a " Something aint right in Denmark " stuff of the highest order ............yes G , i am biased coz we have given the lemonade and sarse to a bloke who don't sleep with the light on .

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I'm with you Mick. People used the he gets injured a lot excuse. If that is the reason, then Marchy, DC, Williams, Martin and Gov all get delisted first so that argument doesn't wash.
Others say nobody liked him. Firstly, that is a total lie. Secondly, you aren't going to like everyone you work with. The players knew that when he was on the field, he had their back. Always!!
It totally baffles me that Vossy seems to want to build a game plan around contested footy and blokes who go in hard yet he delists one bloke who'll always put his body on the line.
As you said Mick, season on line, Stock was named in the side. Dow wasn't. LOB was dropped and only came in when Walsh hurt himself. Dow has a contract so unless we find a suitable trade, he has to stay. LOB until a few seconds ago (just got notification) was uncontracted.
As I said in earlier post, whether it was a case of Stock saying he didn't have the desire/passion for AFL football, we don't know. Guess if another club picks him up, we'll know that isn't the case.
This then begs the question, why delist when we could've traded. Someone said we thought we'd get bugger all for him. Well, in terms of a draft pick, we got pretty much bugger all for SPS but we then flipped that pick into Lewis Young so that argument doesn't wash with me. This whole thing is very bizarre.

Update:

42 on the list. 35 on the senior list, 5 category A rookies, 2 category B rookies (including Owies who needs to be upgraded).

Fogarty, Carroll, Marchbank, Cuningham, Honey, Durdin, Akuei, Setterfield remain out of contract.

I'm going to be a real hard-arse here

If he decides to 'suddenly' switch it on under Clarkson or whoever, it shows exactly the sort of individual, self absorbed person he is

Carlton provided him with the golden key and gave him 4 years to unlock the door

There's enough circumstantial evidence here and on BF that he contributed significantly to his demise

I'll be p1ssed off if he suddenly matures...he had 4 years to do that with us. I wish him well personally and with his health but I do not wish him well if he goes to another club and shows his potential.

Like I said, I'm being quite hard arsed with my view!!

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Which highlights to me we do not have the full picture.

I would call this logical.
He had all year to impress Voss as all players were given a clean slate.
And as shocking as it is for us on the outer, he failed.
Trust in Voss, he knows what he wants and needs to improve and win.

Bloody hell. Glad we all had things sorted at age 22.

You are probably right.

Unfortunately this isn't the real world the rest of us live in.
I liked Stocker but the reality is he was 4 years into a possible 14 year career and failed to meet the bosses standards.
Like any job, people move on or get moved.
There is just more emotion attached to sports as we get to know and like/dislike the characters.
It's just a shame we couldn't at least trade him and get a 3rd/4th rounder.

Didn't you and i have a bit of a tiff early in the year Spook ? faaarked if i know why . Love your stuff Pal . That is so so true regarding Stockers age . These days i reckon 95 % of 22 yo are still finding there feet . Jeez , a bit of leeway i reckon . Hope we rookie Stocker and give him one last ping at the stumps .

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The Stocker decision is not a great surprise and doesn't warrant the amount of attention it is getting.

The biggest scandal is that O'Brien got a two year deal.

Sleeps with the light on, a poor kick/decision maker....an outside player with little hurt factor, first to run over and act all tough whenever there's a scuffle but whenever he's required to stand under a high ball he generally shits himself.

Staggering decision.

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Not that I recall, mate? Apologies if so. Big fan of what you're able to tell us from the VFL. Hope to get a beer in next season.

Carroll signed an extension until 2024 at the start of this season.

Clearly the club has different expectations and goals to some of the supporters.

Time will tell, I would love to be wrong.

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I would hope it means we view recruiting, drafting, delisting and trading with a holistic approach both for immediate improvement and for the longer term.

I agree.
It would be great if we could get to the position Geelong, Richmond etc are.
A long term coach with a defined game plan, structure, systems and roles.
This way Austin can become the new guru with recruiting.

In Voss, Cook & Austin we trust.

But…..I would have given one year deals to LOB, Boyd & Stocker.

We don’t know the fate yet of Akuei, Cunningham, E Curnow, S Durdin, Fogarty, Honey, Marchbank & Setterfield. Subject to medicals, and who we pick up in the trade/draft/free agency period, I would give one year deals to Cunningham, S Durdin, Honey, Marchbank & Setterfield and say goodbye to the other three.

Philp is only saved by the fact he has another year on his contract.

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Nah nah , no apologies required mate coz i was the one out of order ( again )...............still , either way i'm a " harbour no grudges bare no malice " sorta bloke . All good .

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