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Dow is being tagged because he's dominating the VFL. His form is good enough to promote him IMHO.
But they need to simplify his role. Even if he gets the ball and kicks it blindly 50 metres. I'd rather that than have him handball to someone standing next to him. He's a very good ball winner. We have to find a way to capitalise on it.
Hewitt is a big loss and I fear me may not see a lot more of him this year.

Marchbank for Newman, Cottrell to Neale, Dow for Kennedy, JSOS to replace Durdin, Martin sub, Cerra and Dow to rotate H/F-Mid-Wing.
Possibly Hayes for LOB :razz:

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:25 am 
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Oh and forget pushing both small half forwards up to the ball. Keep one in the front half.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:43 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
You repeatedly post against O'Briens "detractors" and then tell us his possible replacement isn't suitable based upon some crap you heard on a nameless podcast.
By all means defend O'Brien but don't expect us to accept a counter view presented from a podcast that just isn't true.

Hayes has played significantly more on the wing in the 2nds than midfield. Austin said he has played wing and was drafted to play wing.
So I'm letting you know that its misinformation and shouldn't be used as credible information to "detract" from Hayes' bona fides.
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Okay, first of all, i am not "expecting you to accept a counter view", I am presenting it for discussion. I willingly admit that I haven't seen enough of Hayes to form an opinion so I am presenting someone else's opinion. It's Navy Blue Corner, post Geelong episode, if you must know. I appreciate your insight into Hayes's reserves performances. There's no need to be so adversarial about it. I try not to bag our players and I will defend them against those who call certain players cauliflower and imposters and to @#$%&! off out of our club every time they make an error. Again, I assure you that my "slow/can't kick/can't run out the game" comment was not directed at any individual but rather my opposition to booting out a player whose strengths are our weaknesses, in favour of random left-field choices who lack those attributes.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:50 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Anyone think Silvagni can play wing? It's an area we struggle, he has a good engine, good skills, can mark and will help push back and help. Allows us to play an extra small up front.

I would like to see Marchbank have a crack at the wing if he can get on the park.
We need a good contested mark on the wing, I can't remember what his intercept marking was like but I think it was pretty good IIRC?

Stocker for Newman
Dow for Kennedy
Marchbank for Setterfield
JSOS for Durdin


Agree. Marchbank played a lot of wing in Under 18s and was very good. Just needs to get on the park


He can get fit enough to play wing, because he is a natural wingman.
He's such a good athlete and footballer he can play better in more positions than Plowman, Gov and JSOS imo.


Maybe next year, but I don’t see him playing wing this year off his low base.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:58 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
malbi wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Did anyone see Dow's last 3 games in the VFL? Heavily tagged and not finding a way to break it.

Dow won't be tagged in the AFL, not yet anyway.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:00 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
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Tuohy on the wing in our team right now would be huge bonus. Oh well..



Don't rub it in surrey.

I couldn't believe Carlton supporters were booing Tuohy when we played Geelong.
Like Josh Kennedy, he didnt want to leave Carlton, but SOS's contract offer deterred Tuohy to sign on with Carlton.

Sad


Yes I was also dismayed to hear that booing.

On the topic of booing did you hear the racist crows supporters booing Motlop as he lined up for goal?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:02 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Back to the footy the ins and outs should be straight forward

Martin for Durdin
Dow for Kennedy
Marchbank for Newman

SOS or Setterfield the sub

I think we will get flogged weight of numbers through injury finally taking its toll

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Are you replacing Setterfield with JSOS or Hayes or someone else if he is sub?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:08 am 
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I think we're all so certain SOS is coming back we're not even calling him an "in" :).

Actually I think that's how the team announcements work, isn't it? A medisub who becomes first 22 isn't listed in the "ins"?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:31 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
On the Hayes or LOB qn, I listened to a podcast where they reckoned Hayes has played more of an inside role in the 2nds and so his instinct is to be drawn into the contest while LOB is more of a pure outside player. So while Hayes gets more of the pill, he's not getting into the positions to do damage. So those guys felt LOB was better for team shape even though Hayes looks like he's doing more. No idea whether their assessment of the 2nds is accurate but might explain why his performance in the 1sts underwhelmed. I suppose if we think we're short on contested ball winners then he could replace LOB, but we might be robbing Peter to pay Paul, unless someone like Fisher takes on more of the outside/f50 entry role.

I reckon that would be a fair assessment.
Personally, I think LOB still has a better leg than both Fisher and Hayes.
And for me, the wing is mainly an outside role.

For comparison the last games played by both LOB and Hayes.

Hayes v Cats:
Disposals - 23 (12 kicks and 11 handballs)
Marks - 5
Tackles - 1
Contested possessions - 9
Meters gained - 368
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 6
Rebound inside 50s - 1
Clangers - 6

LOB v Crows:
Disposals - 18 (13 kicks and 5 handballs)
Marks - 3
Tackles - 2
Contested possessions - 2
Meters gained - 535
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 9
Rebound inside 50s - 2
Clangers - 3


Good stuff Sidey.
Fair enough.
OK, I'll take Hayes., and I'll forfeit 170 metres.

Deal.


But Bondi you forgot:
-3 defensive half pressure acts
-1 Rebounds inside 50's
+3 clangers
And then there's the lack of penetration in his kicking.
:wink:

I'd prefer to see him rotated him in the middle with Dow.
Deal.

To be honest if he does come in you'd expect it to be for Setters before LOB.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:41 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Anyone think Silvagni can play wing? It's an area we struggle, he has a good engine, good skills, can mark and will help push back and help. Allows us to play an extra small up front.

I would like to see Marchbank have a crack at the wing if he can get on the park.
We need a good contested mark on the wing, I can't remember what his intercept marking was like but I think it was pretty good IIRC?

Stocker for Newman
Dow for Kennedy
Marchbank for Setterfield
JSOS for Durdin


Agree. Marchbank played a lot of wing in Under 18s and was very good. Just needs to get on the park


He can get fit enough to play wing, because he is a natural wingman.
He's such a good athlete and footballer he can play better in more positions than Plowman, Gov and JSOS imo.


Maybe next year, but I don’t see him playing wing this year off his low base.


Not this year. I'm guessing he's not fit for purpose this year.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:44 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
On the Hayes or LOB qn, I listened to a podcast where they reckoned Hayes has played more of an inside role in the 2nds and so his instinct is to be drawn into the contest while LOB is more of a pure outside player. So while Hayes gets more of the pill, he's not getting into the positions to do damage. So those guys felt LOB was better for team shape even though Hayes looks like he's doing more. No idea whether their assessment of the 2nds is accurate but might explain why his performance in the 1sts underwhelmed. I suppose if we think we're short on contested ball winners then he could replace LOB, but we might be robbing Peter to pay Paul, unless someone like Fisher takes on more of the outside/f50 entry role.

I reckon that would be a fair assessment.
Personally, I think LOB still has a better leg than both Fisher and Hayes.
And for me, the wing is mainly an outside role.

For comparison the last games played by both LOB and Hayes.

Hayes v Cats:
Disposals - 23 (12 kicks and 11 handballs)
Marks - 5
Tackles - 1
Contested possessions - 9
Meters gained - 368
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 6
Rebound inside 50s - 1
Clangers - 6

LOB v Crows:
Disposals - 18 (13 kicks and 5 handballs)
Marks - 3
Tackles - 2
Contested possessions - 2
Meters gained - 535
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 9
Rebound inside 50s - 2
Clangers - 3


Good stuff Sidey.
Fair enough.
OK, I'll take Hayes., and I'll forfeit 170 metres.

Deal.


But Bondi you forgot:
-3 defensive half pressure acts
-1 Rebounds inside 50's
+3 clangers
And then there's the lack of penetration in his kicking.
:wink:

I'd prefer to see him rotated him in the middle with Dow.
Deal.

To be honest if he does come in you'd expect it to be for Setters before LOB.


I'm just kidding around because you could throw a blanket over a bunch of them and you will get a similar net performance imo.

...and WTF is a half hearted pressure act good for? What is it?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:49 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Dow is being tagged because he's dominating the VFL. His form is good enough to promote him IMHO.
But they need to simplify his role. Even if he gets the ball and kicks it blindly 50 metres. I'd rather that than have him handball to someone standing next to him. He's a very good ball winner. We have to find a way to capitalise on it.
Hewitt is a big loss and I fear me may not see a lot more of him this year.

Marchbank for Newman, Cottrell to Neale, Dow for Kennedy, JSOS to replace Durdin, Martin sub, Cerra and Dow to rotate H/F-Mid-Wing.
Possibly Hayes for LOB :razz:



2 wrongs don't make a right ie kicking blindly and handballing to a stationary player.

That kicking blindly is not what the midfield group did this year to get us to 8-2.
We have been kicking it blindly forward since the Pies game imo.

Dow isn't going to replace Kennedy or Hewett imo. They are tough and hard at it. Dow is tough.
But the cupboard is bare.

Maybe Setterfield (if he keeps his spot) plays inside mid and Dow waxes with Walsh and Cerra.

I'd like to see Jack give cripps a chop out as the inside mid bull.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:52 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
On the Hayes or LOB qn, I listened to a podcast where they reckoned Hayes has played more of an inside role in the 2nds and so his instinct is to be drawn into the contest while LOB is more of a pure outside player. So while Hayes gets more of the pill, he's not getting into the positions to do damage. So those guys felt LOB was better for team shape even though Hayes looks like he's doing more. No idea whether their assessment of the 2nds is accurate but might explain why his performance in the 1sts underwhelmed. I suppose if we think we're short on contested ball winners then he could replace LOB, but we might be robbing Peter to pay Paul, unless someone like Fisher takes on more of the outside/f50 entry role.

I reckon that would be a fair assessment.
Personally, I think LOB still has a better leg than both Fisher and Hayes.
And for me, the wing is mainly an outside role.

For comparison the last games played by both LOB and Hayes.

Hayes v Cats:
Disposals - 23 (12 kicks and 11 handballs)
Marks - 5
Tackles - 1
Contested possessions - 9
Meters gained - 368
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 6
Rebound inside 50s - 1
Clangers - 6

LOB v Crows:
Disposals - 18 (13 kicks and 5 handballs)
Marks - 3
Tackles - 2
Contested possessions - 2
Meters gained - 535
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 9
Rebound inside 50s - 2
Clangers - 3


Good stuff Sidey.
Fair enough.
OK, I'll take Hayes., and I'll forfeit 170 metres.

Deal.


But Bondi you forgot:
-3 defensive half pressure acts
-1 Rebounds inside 50's
+3 clangers
And then there's the lack of penetration in his kicking.
:wink:

I'd prefer to see him rotated him in the middle with Dow.
Deal.

To be honest if he does come in you'd expect it to be for Setters before LOB.


I'm just kidding around because you could throw a blanket over a bunch of them and you will get a similar net performance imo.

...and WTF is a half hearted pressure act good for? What is it?

Well there is that, but I'm only going by stats because it suits my argument. :lol:
But it'd be right up there with half cocked kicking of the ball 15m on the wing I'm guessing. :grin:


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:04 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
MUST TAG NEAL. MUST


apart from Hewett who’s out, who can play a strong midfield run-with/tagging role for us?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:06 am 
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Yes I was also dismayed to hear that booing.


next level moronic. could have been a 300 gamer for blues and wanted to be one.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:13 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
MUST TAG NEAL. MUST


apart from Hewett who’s out, who can play a strong midfield run-with/tagging role for us?


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Cottrell.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:17 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
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Yes I was also dismayed to hear that booing.


next level moronic. could have been a 300 gamer for blues and wanted to be one.


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Dismayed ? i was disgusted ......................also reckon i heard a bit of booing towards Josh K when we played WC .

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:06 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
On the Hayes or LOB qn, I listened to a podcast where they reckoned Hayes has played more of an inside role in the 2nds and so his instinct is to be drawn into the contest while LOB is more of a pure outside player. So while Hayes gets more of the pill, he's not getting into the positions to do damage. So those guys felt LOB was better for team shape even though Hayes looks like he's doing more. No idea whether their assessment of the 2nds is accurate but might explain why his performance in the 1sts underwhelmed. I suppose if we think we're short on contested ball winners then he could replace LOB, but we might be robbing Peter to pay Paul, unless someone like Fisher takes on more of the outside/f50 entry role.

I reckon that would be a fair assessment.
Personally, I think LOB still has a better leg than both Fisher and Hayes.
And for me, the wing is mainly an outside role.

For comparison the last games played by both LOB and Hayes.

Hayes v Cats:
Disposals - 23 (12 kicks and 11 handballs)
Marks - 5
Tackles - 1
Contested possessions - 9
Meters gained - 368
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 6
Rebound inside 50s - 1
Clangers - 6

LOB v Crows:
Disposals - 18 (13 kicks and 5 handballs)
Marks - 3
Tackles - 2
Contested possessions - 2
Meters gained - 535
One percenters - 1
Defensive half pressure acts - 9
Rebound inside 50s - 2
Clangers - 3


Hayes - 7 turnovers, 74% disposal efficiency
O'Brien - 4 turnovers, 67% disposal efficiency


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:11 am 
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Robinson to have his best game of the year?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:13 am 
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Thought Weitering's presser was laughable.
Because he was trying not to laugh.
Or so it seemed.
Couldn't wipe the smile off his face.
Not sure why he was smiling.
And his rather off the cuff comment about mouth guards.
Maybe he is super confident we will win on the weekend.
Hope that is so.
Because I didn't see a lot of grit and disappointment written on his face, determination to make amends for what was a terribly poor team performance on the weekend.


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