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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:13 pm 
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kezza wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.

SEN were discussing the final 8 today.
They mentioned that even if Carlton win a game it may not be enough.
What a shame we have put ourselves in this position to rely on other teams losing if we cannot win the required number of games.
Disappointing end to a good season if we miss out after being in the top 8 all year.



That is an awful read kezza.

What will be worse is if we do fall out of the 8, which I find so difficult to accept.

Next 3 games are Finals for us. Season on the line. Fight to win from the first bounce till the last.

I think one will do it because I do expect between Dogs and Tiges to drop one at least, and saints will drop out before us having to face Cats, Lions and Sydney.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:21 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.

SEN were discussing the final 8 today.
They mentioned that even if Carlton win a game it may not be enough.
What a shame we have put ourselves in this position to rely on other teams losing if we cannot win the required number of games.
Disappointing end to a good season if we miss out after being in the top 8 all year.



That is an awful read kezza.

What will be worse is if we do fall out of the 8, which I find so difficult to accept.

Next 3 games are Finals for us. Season on the line. Fight to win from the first bounce till the last.

I think one will do it because I do expect between Dogs and Tiges to drop one at least, and saints will drop out before us having to face Cats, Lions and Sydney.


As I mentioned in an earlier post ....

Another scenario .... We win 1 and Saints win 2, Tigers win 3 and Bulldogs win 3 then we finish 10th.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:22 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.

SEN were discussing the final 8 today.
They mentioned that even if Carlton win a game it may not be enough.
What a shame we have put ourselves in this position to rely on other teams losing if we cannot win the required number of games.
Disappointing end to a good season if we miss out after being in the top 8 all year.



That is an awful read kezza.

What will be worse is if we do fall out of the 8, which I find so difficult to accept.

Next 3 games are Finals for us. Season on the line. Fight to win from the first bounce till the last.

I think one will do it because I do expect between Dogs and Tiges to drop one at least, and saints will drop out before us having to face Cats, Lions and Sydney.


As I mentioned in an earlier post ....

Another scenario .... We win 1 and Saints win 2, Tigers win 3 and Bulldogs win 3 then we finish 10th.


I didnt read you post Navy One. Truly, I didnt.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:36 pm 
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Winning 13 games and finishing 10th would be pretty unlucky.
I mean some years the 8th placed team only wins 11 games.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:39 pm 
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No side has missed the top 8 with 13 wins since the top 8 was first implemented in 1994. Essendon* excluded for drug cheating in 2013 of course - 13 wins was still enough to get you in that season regardless.

Interesting we posted 14 wins in 1992 & missed the top 6 format back then. For those that don't know prior to that ( i think from 1972 to 1990ish) it was a top 5 format and 14 wins would ALWAYS get you into the top 5.

I guess what i am saying is that it would be so Carlton to finish on 13 wins and still miss.

Good news is after we missed '92 on a record number of wins we made a GF in '93 and won a flag in '95 so I'll cling to that for now.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 2:44 pm 
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Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:53 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


Tigers and Dogs have a very easy run home now.
Tigers have ... Port, Hawks and Ess. Seriously, Tigers should win all 3, especially as they now have a genuine sniff.
Dogs have ... Freo (in Melb), GWS and Hawks. They should win the last 2 easy, and tbh given Freo's form right now and the fact that game is in Melb I reckon the Dogs could very well win that game also.

Saints I don't think have much hope as they're run home is ridiculously hard.

So the way I see it, it is 3 teams fighting for 2 spots.

I think Tigers could very well win all 3 games.
I think we might win 1 game (but tbh I reckon it is unlikely).
I reckon Dogs could win 2 and maybe all 3.

Richmond 54
Carlton 48 or 52
Dogs 48 or 52

Could come down to % Blues vs Dogs.
Right now we are 3% pts ahead, but assuming we lose 2 and they win 2, well there might be a bees dick in this. Potential for big wins for Dogs gives them the edge IMO.

I think our best bet is to win this weekend.
Lions had to travel also and I think Voss' best chance of a HUGE effort comes off the back of our WEAKEST effort of the year.

If you think about it, if we can't respond after last weekend's pathetic effort and go and beat Brisbane, then I reckon that tells us we have some genuine issues in regards to motivation and effort and that comes back to the coach.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:26 pm 
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Navy One wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.

SEN were discussing the final 8 today.
They mentioned that even if Carlton win a game it may not be enough.
What a shame we have put ourselves in this position to rely on other teams losing if we cannot win the required number of games.
Disappointing end to a good season if we miss out after being in the top 8 all year.



That is an awful read kezza.

What will be worse is if we do fall out of the 8, which I find so difficult to accept.

Next 3 games are Finals for us. Season on the line. Fight to win from the first bounce till the last.

I think one will do it because I do expect between Dogs and Tiges to drop one at least, and saints will drop out before us having to face Cats, Lions and Sydney.


As I mentioned in an earlier post ....

Another scenario .... We win 1 and Saints win 2, Tigers win 3 and Bulldogs win 3 then we finish 10th.


For that to happen, St Kilda would also need to improve their percentage by 8.3% over ours. Can't see that happening, especially after they get a drubbing by the Cats this weekend on their dungheap....

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:55 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
verbs wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


Tigers and Dogs have a very easy run home now.
Tigers have ... Port, Hawks and Ess. Seriously, Tigers should win all 3, especially as they now have a genuine sniff.
Dogs have ... Freo (in Melb), GWS and Hawks. They should win the last 2 easy, and tbh given Freo's form right now and the fact that game is in Melb I reckon the Dogs could very well win that game also.

Saints I don't think have much hope as they're run home is ridiculously hard.

So the way I see it, it is 3 teams fighting for 2 spots.

I think Tigers could very well win all 3 games.
I think we might win 1 game (but tbh I reckon it is unlikely).
I reckon Dogs could win 2 and maybe all 3.

Richmond 54
Carlton 48 or 52
Dogs 48 or 52

Could come down to % Blues vs Dogs.
Right now we are 3% pts ahead, but assuming we lose 2 and they win 2, well there might be a bees dick in this. Potential for big wins for Dogs gives them the edge IMO.

I think our best bet is to win this weekend.
Lions had to travel also and I think Voss' best chance of a HUGE effort comes off the back of our WEAKEST effort of the year.

If you think about it, if we can't respond after last weekend's pathetic effort and go and beat Brisbane, then I reckon that tells us we have some genuine issues in regards to motivation and effort and that comes back to the coach.


I agree with most of this except for Richmond. They won't win all 3 and I reckon they are a big chance of losing to Port in Adelaide this week, especially with Grimes out. Essendon* are much improved and will be keen to win the last round and keep them out of the 8. So whilst they "could" win all 3, the odds are against them.

Similarly, I think the Dogs will be lucky to beat Freo, despite their recent form slump. Freo are due for a good game and this is probably it. Also their last chance to make top 4.

At the end of the day, we need a win ASAP to change the narrative and relieve the pressure. I really don't want it to come down to the last game being a must win!! :sad:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:09 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
verbs wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


Tigers and Dogs have a very easy run home now.
Tigers have ... Port, Hawks and Ess. Seriously, Tigers should win all 3, especially as they now have a genuine sniff.
Dogs have ... Freo (in Melb), GWS and Hawks. They should win the last 2 easy, and tbh given Freo's form right now and the fact that game is in Melb I reckon the Dogs could very well win that game also.

Saints I don't think have much hope as they're run home is ridiculously hard.

So the way I see it, it is 3 teams fighting for 2 spots.

I think Tigers could very well win all 3 games.
I think we might win 1 game (but tbh I reckon it is unlikely).
I reckon Dogs could win 2 and maybe all 3.

Richmond 54
Carlton 48 or 52
Dogs 48 or 52

Could come down to % Blues vs Dogs.
Right now we are 3% pts ahead, but assuming we lose 2 and they win 2, well there might be a bees dick in this. Potential for big wins for Dogs gives them the edge IMO.

I think our best bet is to win this weekend.
Lions had to travel also and I think Voss' best chance of a HUGE effort comes off the back of our WEAKEST effort of the year.

If you think about it, if we can't respond after last weekend's pathetic effort and go and beat Brisbane, then I reckon that tells us we have some genuine issues in regards to motivation and effort and that comes back to the coach.


I agree with most of this except for Richmond. They won't win all 3 and I reckon they are a big chance of losing to Port in Adelaide this week, especially with Grimes out. Essendon** are much improved and will be keen to win the last round and keep them out of the 8. So whilst they "could" win all 3, the odds are against them.

Similarly, I think the Dogs will be lucky to beat Freo, despite their recent form slump. Freo are due for a good game and this is probably it. Also their last chance to make top 4.

At the end of the day, we need a win ASAP to change the narrative and relieve the pressure. I really don't want it to come down to the last game being a must win!! :sad:

Tehehe...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:33 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
verbs wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


Tigers and Dogs have a very easy run home now.
Tigers have ... Port, Hawks and Ess. Seriously, Tigers should win all 3, especially as they now have a genuine sniff.
Dogs have ... Freo (in Melb), GWS and Hawks. They should win the last 2 easy, and tbh given Freo's form right now and the fact that game is in Melb I reckon the Dogs could very well win that game also.

Saints I don't think have much hope as they're run home is ridiculously hard.

So the way I see it, it is 3 teams fighting for 2 spots.

I think Tigers could very well win all 3 games.
I think we might win 1 game (but tbh I reckon it is unlikely).
I reckon Dogs could win 2 and maybe all 3.

Richmond 54
Carlton 48 or 52
Dogs 48 or 52

Could come down to % Blues vs Dogs.
Right now we are 3% pts ahead, but assuming we lose 2 and they win 2, well there might be a bees dick in this. Potential for big wins for Dogs gives them the edge IMO.

I think our best bet is to win this weekend.
Lions had to travel also and I think Voss' best chance of a HUGE effort comes off the back of our WEAKEST effort of the year.

If you think about it, if we can't respond after last weekend's pathetic effort and go and beat Brisbane, then I reckon that tells us we have some genuine issues in regards to motivation and effort and that comes back to the coach.


I agree with most of this except for Richmond. They won't win all 3 and I reckon they are a big chance of losing to Port in Adelaide this week, especially with Grimes out. Essendon** are much improved and will be keen to win the last round and keep them out of the 8. So whilst they "could" win all 3, the odds are against them.

Similarly, I think the Dogs will be lucky to beat Freo, despite their recent form slump. Freo are due for a good game and this is probably it. Also their last chance to make top 4.

At the end of the day, we need a win ASAP to change the narrative and relieve the pressure. I really don't want it to come down to the last game being a must win!! :sad:

The last game is must win already

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:41 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Mil Hanna wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
verbs wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
The equation is simple.

Win 2 games, we're in.

Win 1 game, the dogs/Richmond need to lose one. We're in.

Hopefully freo and/or port can do us a favour this week.


This pretty much sums it up.

- If we lose the next three we're done for 2022.
- Win one, and the Bulldogs or Richmond lose at least one, we're in the 8 - but if the Bulldogs and Richmond win their last three we'll be out of the 8.
- Win two or three, we're playing finals no matter what.


Tigers and Dogs have a very easy run home now.
Tigers have ... Port, Hawks and Ess. Seriously, Tigers should win all 3, especially as they now have a genuine sniff.
Dogs have ... Freo (in Melb), GWS and Hawks. They should win the last 2 easy, and tbh given Freo's form right now and the fact that game is in Melb I reckon the Dogs could very well win that game also.

Saints I don't think have much hope as they're run home is ridiculously hard.

So the way I see it, it is 3 teams fighting for 2 spots.

I think Tigers could very well win all 3 games.
I think we might win 1 game (but tbh I reckon it is unlikely).
I reckon Dogs could win 2 and maybe all 3.

Richmond 54
Carlton 48 or 52
Dogs 48 or 52

Could come down to % Blues vs Dogs.
Right now we are 3% pts ahead, but assuming we lose 2 and they win 2, well there might be a bees dick in this. Potential for big wins for Dogs gives them the edge IMO.

I think our best bet is to win this weekend.
Lions had to travel also and I think Voss' best chance of a HUGE effort comes off the back of our WEAKEST effort of the year.

If you think about it, if we can't respond after last weekend's pathetic effort and go and beat Brisbane, then I reckon that tells us we have some genuine issues in regards to motivation and effort and that comes back to the coach.


I agree with most of this except for Richmond. They won't win all 3 and I reckon they are a big chance of losing to Port in Adelaide this week, especially with Grimes out. Essendon*** are much improved and will be keen to win the last round and keep them out of the 8. So whilst they "could" win all 3, the odds are against them.

Similarly, I think the Dogs will be lucky to beat Freo, despite their recent form slump. Freo are due for a good game and this is probably it. Also their last chance to make top 4.

At the end of the day, we need a win ASAP to change the narrative and relieve the pressure. I really don't want it to come down to the last game being a must win!! :sad:

Tehehe...


You find that funny? :sly:

The thought of Essendon* keeping them out makes me laugh, but that's about it.

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Essendon* might tank against Richmond in the last round to piss Carlton off. They did in 2001.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:58 pm 
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Mil Hanna wrote:

At the end of the day, we need a win ASAP to change the narrative and relieve the pressure. I really don't want it to come down to the last game being a must win!! :sad:




I agree. We badly need to win this weekend because if we don't, that mounting pressure is just going to get more & more intense.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:28 pm 
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I think we are gone

Can’t see us getting close to Brisbane or Melbourne

Haven’t beaten anyone of note for a while

Beating Fremantle was a good win but they have also struggled recently

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:45 pm 
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I think we are gone

If both Richmond and the Dogs win this weekend I think you might be right. Port are currently favourites against Richmond so fingers crossed they do us a massive favour.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 9:46 pm 
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Essendon** might tank against Richmond in the last round to piss Carlton off. They did in 2001.

And I'm sure they would do it again in 2022.......just like we'd do the same to them.

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I can't work out how on earth Port are favourites in that game

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 10:11 pm 
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Losing to Adelaide was bad enough but losing by 5 goals and dropping a couple of % is unforgivable.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:11 pm 
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Like everyone I was gutted at the weekends performance. But........

It has put the club in a brilliant position to really show if we have come along way this year, or just got lucky a few times. I don't think we have gotten lucky, I think we have played some great footy at times.

If we drop our bundle now and miss the finals, 85,000 supporters will have every right to be filthy.

We are well and truly back to the contribution of our bottom 6 players. Their collective efforts hold the key for the final 3 games. I actually think it is more like our bottom 8, but I won't split hairs.

Basically our finals starts 3 weeks ahead of time.

Lets see if these 3 games sort the real contenders from the pretenders. Who are the ones just happy to be on a list and collect their pay cheque and who actually want to be a part of something special over the next 3-4 years. Not many chances left for a few of them. Just 20 days by my calculations.

Go Blues.

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