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Massive danger game. They've only won 2 games for the year but are pretty much injury free for this match

Our midfield is superior to theirs so I'm hoping that decides it.

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Isn't it their 150 year celebration game followed by a large function?
What better reason than to spoil the party.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 7:05 pm 
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Yup…..

WHO likes to rock the party….?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 7:43 pm 
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There’s a pretty decent gap between AFL & VFL… SANFL & WAFL are even further behind.

Young, Plowman & Kemp would have to be injured or consistently horrible for Durdin to play before Weitering comes back.

What was Weitering going to do to alter that? Magically teleport from spot to spot to defend the uncontested chains off half back?

Point being, you couldn’t tip Young or Plowman out because they couldn’t defend against our midfield turnovers or pressure less forward half defence.

Marchbank hasn’t got through a full game at the lower level yet. Kemp is next man up & he’s got a six month head start on Durdin.


I think we need cover for Effendrug*s talls, and believe we need both Kemp and Durdin to play.

I'm far from convinced Kempo is a good one on one defender against a KPF.

I thought it was ridiculous during the Pies game when SOS was in the ruck, TDK off the ground and Charlie battling against 3 talls, who marked more than not. The numbers don't lie.

Our small forwards can't and couldn't compete in the air against KPD's hence the Pies won easy balland took off from there. Smalls can only provide pressure on the floor when the ball hits the ground, and they are in the vicinity. Pies won the game in the air.

I don't think its as easy as saying Kemp has 6 months on Durdin. Its more complex than that, and Form has a say in the equation too.

Durdin had years of injuries to his young body when playing for North, but got over the injuries as his body matured. He completed 5 preseasons and Kemp has completed one.

Durdin is in red hot form in the SANFL, Kemp, imo, is in no man's land. I haven't see any form to warrant Kemp's selection, just the next man up given his height, and Durdin has a stronger and taller body than Kemp.

Effendum* will have at least 2 players 200cm + tall in their forwardline. Who takes their FF Wright 203cm? Young is the likely to be the one.

Who takes Philips 201 or Draper 205 when playing forward? IMO neither Plowman 192 or Kemp 193 will be able to take any of those 2 big guys. They will be up to 10cms shorter.

Who takes Stringer? Kemp? Plow? One may have to, and I'd have to give the honours to Plow given he's in the same weight division, and Kemp would be eaten alive...so might Plow TBH, but...

I've seen Kemp live in 2 VFL games in the backline, and he seriously struggled against the big boys and played better as the loose defender. One on One he was too small against bigger opponents and certainly not strong enough yet (limited preseasons) to beat opponents body on body. Durdin on the other hand is a stronger more mature body: he's got 6 preseasons over Kemp.

Durdin is a seasoned body, fit and champing at the bit. I don't know how fay ahead Kemp is in terms of fitness to play AFL, but in the next game against the big boys, I'd rather have Durdin back there offering the sorely missed Jones' Golden Fist, let alone Weitering's. Marchbank is the same height as Kemp, but hasn't put 4 quarters at VFL together to be seriously considered now that Curdin is on our list.

I like the way Kemp leads as a forward, but also feel his best is ahead of him with more preseasons. I get that the cupboard is bare and we are struggling for talls because of injury, not form or list issues.

I’m all in on Kemp being a better forward than defender, but he’s been working with the defensive group since the new boss took over.

Durdin might be fit and firing up the lower league, but it’s just outrageous to think that he’s going to acclimate to an AFL system in less than a fortnight. Even the most ardent supporters that want to parachute him into the back six are qualifying their comments with the ‘experience’ of those around him being enough for him to bridge the gap.

I can’t imagine what kind of cookie cutter game plan would allow for that kind of reliance to make the grade. Nor can I come to terms with their assessment of the ‘experience’ around him being so good as to play two positions at once. Perhaps if we were trying to negate some fat @#$%&! full forward in the suburban leagues, it might be enough.

Maybe I’m wrong. Let’s hope so, because we’re kinda desperate.

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Isn't it their 150 year celebration game followed by a large function?
What better reason than to spoil the party.

$495 tickets to their function now being sold for huge discounts so they actually have people go along.

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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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There’s a pretty decent gap between AFL & VFL… SANFL & WAFL are even further behind.

Young, Plowman & Kemp would have to be injured or consistently horrible for Durdin to play before Weitering comes back.

What was Weitering going to do to alter that? Magically teleport from spot to spot to defend the uncontested chains off half back?

Point being, you couldn’t tip Young or Plowman out because they couldn’t defend against our midfield turnovers or pressure less forward half defence.

Marchbank hasn’t got through a full game at the lower level yet. Kemp is next man up & he’s got a six month head start on Durdin.


I think we need cover for Effendrug*s talls, and believe we need both Kemp and Durdin to play.

I'm far from convinced Kempo is a good one on one defender against a KPF.

I thought it was ridiculous during the Pies game when SOS was in the ruck, TDK off the ground and Charlie battling against 3 talls, who marked more than not. The numbers don't lie.

Our small forwards can't and couldn't compete in the air against KPD's hence the Pies won easy balland took off from there. Smalls can only provide pressure on the floor when the ball hits the ground, and they are in the vicinity. Pies won the game in the air.

I don't think its as easy as saying Kemp has 6 months on Durdin. Its more complex than that, and Form has a say in the equation too.

Durdin had years of injuries to his young body when playing for North, but got over the injuries as his body matured. He completed 5 preseasons and Kemp has completed one.

Durdin is in red hot form in the SANFL, Kemp, imo, is in no man's land. I haven't see any form to warrant Kemp's selection, just the next man up given his height, and Durdin has a stronger and taller body than Kemp.

Effendum* will have at least 2 players 200cm + tall in their forwardline. Who takes their FF Wright 203cm? Young is the likely to be the one.

Who takes Philips 201 or Draper 205 when playing forward? IMO neither Plowman 192 or Kemp 193 will be able to take any of those 2 big guys. They will be up to 10cms shorter.

Who takes Stringer? Kemp? Plow? One may have to, and I'd have to give the honours to Plow given he's in the same weight division, and Kemp would be eaten alive...so might Plow TBH, but...

I've seen Kemp live in 2 VFL games in the backline, and he seriously struggled against the big boys and played better as the loose defender. One on One he was too small against bigger opponents and certainly not strong enough yet (limited preseasons) to beat opponents body on body. Durdin on the other hand is a stronger more mature body: he's got 6 preseasons over Kemp.

Durdin is a seasoned body, fit and champing at the bit. I don't know how fay ahead Kemp is in terms of fitness to play AFL, but in the next game against the big boys, I'd rather have Durdin back there offering the sorely missed Jones' Golden Fist, let alone Weitering's. Marchbank is the same height as Kemp, but hasn't put 4 quarters at VFL together to be seriously considered now that Curdin is on our list.

I like the way Kemp leads as a forward, but also feel his best is ahead of him with more preseasons. I get that the cupboard is bare and we are struggling for talls because of injury, not form or list issues.

I’m all in on Kemp being a better forward than defender, but he’s been working with the defensive group since the new boss took over.

Durdin might be fit and firing up the lower league, but it’s just outrageous to think that he’s going to acclimate to an AFL system in less than a fortnight. Even the most ardent supporters that want to parachute him into the back six are qualifying their comments with the ‘experience’ of those around him being enough for him to bridge the gap.

I can’t imagine what kind of cookie cutter game plan would allow for that kind of reliance to make the grade. Nor can I come to terms with their assessment of the ‘experience’ around him being so good as to play two positions at once. Perhaps if we were trying to negate some fat @#$%&! full forward in the suburban leagues, it might be enough.

Maybe I’m wrong. Let’s hope so, because we’re kinda desperate.

Playing Durdin next week will be the best way to fast track his integration into the defence. The problem with the VFL is he'll have no AFL listed teammates to gel with in defence (assuming Kemp plays seniors).
So he won't be getting much out of it he wasn't getting in the sanfl or at training.

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jezzarules wrote:
Playing Durdin next week will be the best way to fast track his integration into the defence. The problem with the VFL is he'll have no AFL listed teammates to gel with in defence (assuming Kemp plays seniors).
So he won't be getting much out of it he wasn't getting in the sanfl or at training.


Correct. Durdin hasn't been playing in the 3rds at Shepparton.
There would be more disruption asking smaller players to step up to key defensive roles.

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Blue Vain wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
Playing Durdin next week will be the best way to fast track his integration into the defence. The problem with the VFL is he'll have no AFL listed teammates to gel with in defence (assuming Kemp plays seniors).
So he won't be getting much out of it he wasn't getting in the sanfl or at training.


Correct. Durdin hasn't been playing in the 3rds at Shepparton.
There would be more disruption asking smaller players to step up to key defensive roles.

You two must be desperate for an honourable loss.

I know it’s been a while.

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I’m not sure it’s wise to put S.Durdin straight in. I’d like him to train our system for a few weeks. Admittedly, that may not be a luxury we can afford.

It’s a tough call, but I think I’d be more inclined to give Kemp a go in defence. I don’t rate Kemp super highly, but the challenge might bring out the best in him.

If we do think S.Durdin is ready to play immediately, I guess another option is to play both Kemp and S.Durdin down back and try Young forward? The benefit of that would be Young could play 2nd ruck and draw some heat away from Charlie in attack. The obvious issue is it takes both Weitering and Young out of defence at the same time, which is far from ideal and probably unsettles things too much.

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I’m not sure it’s wise to put S.Durdin straight in. I’d like him to train our system for a few weeks. Admittedly, that may not be a luxury we can afford.

It’s a tough call, but I think I’d be more inclined to give Kemp a go in defence. I don’t rate Kemp super highly, but the challenge might bring out the best in him.

If we do think S.Durdin is ready to play immediately, I guess another option is to play both Kemp and S.Durdin down back and try Young forward? The benefit of that would be Young could play 2nd ruck and draw some heat away from Charlie in attack. The obvious issue is it takes both Weitering and Young out of defence at the same time, which is far from ideal and probably unsettles things too much.

I'd be playing all three in defence.
We rolled the dice against Pies and it backfired.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:10 pm 
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Massive danger game. They've only won 2 games for the year but are pretty much injury free for this match

Our midfield is superior to theirs so I'm hoping that decides it.



This game is their GRAND FINAL.

They have asked for this fixture against Carlton, and they got it....as they do get everything they want from the AFL.

They have "saved" their players and primed their return for this game.

We will see the return of Langford to the midfield, Stringer in the forward line and midfield, and 196cm mobile KPF, Harrison Jones.

They have 2 out injured in Hurley and Cox.

This is their big stage. Their statement game. We need to be at our best and have sufficient cover for their talls and match winners

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2022 12:42 pm 
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jezzarules wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I’m not sure it’s wise to put S.Durdin straight in. I’d like him to train our system for a few weeks. Admittedly, that may not be a luxury we can afford.

It’s a tough call, but I think I’d be more inclined to give Kemp a go in defence. I don’t rate Kemp super highly, but the challenge might bring out the best in him.

If we do think S.Durdin is ready to play immediately, I guess another option is to play both Kemp and S.Durdin down back and try Young forward? The benefit of that would be Young could play 2nd ruck and draw some heat away from Charlie in attack. The obvious issue is it takes both Weitering and Young out of defence at the same time, which is far from ideal and probably unsettles things too much.

I'd be playing all three in defence.
We rolled the dice against Pies and it backfired.

:? We lost our defensive lynchpin to injury in the first quarter.

Started the game with Weitering, Young, Plowman, Docherty, Saad, Stocker… how is that rolling the dice??

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Crusader wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I’m not sure it’s wise to put S.Durdin straight in. I’d like him to train our system for a few weeks. Admittedly, that may not be a luxury we can afford.

It’s a tough call, but I think I’d be more inclined to give Kemp a go in defence. I don’t rate Kemp super highly, but the challenge might bring out the best in him.

If we do think S.Durdin is ready to play immediately, I guess another option is to play both Kemp and S.Durdin down back and try Young forward? The benefit of that would be Young could play 2nd ruck and draw some heat away from Charlie in attack. The obvious issue is it takes both Weitering and Young out of defence at the same time, which is far from ideal and probably unsettles things too much.

I'd be playing all three in defence.
We rolled the dice against Pies and it backfired.

:? We lost our defensive lynchpin to injury in the first quarter.

Started the game with Weitering, Young, Plowman, Docherty, Saad, Stocker… how is that rolling the dice??

Because we only had two talls in defence and one forward (Charlie) and one ruck, and no coverage eg via the sub.
Kemp should at least have been the sub, but presumably because he'd been sub the week before they didn't want to repeat.
So he should have been in the team instead of back to vfl (or used as sub anyway).

If you are a tall short in each area of the ground you are asking for trouble because you have no options to rejig.

This week against ESS, going with just Young and Kemp as talls would be a stretch against their talls let alone considering they are both relatively inexperienced.
So I'd definitely bring in Durdin to share the load.

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Fox is saying McGrath did a groin at training and will miss Friday night

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jezzarules wrote:
Crusader wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I’m not sure it’s wise to put S.Durdin straight in. I’d like him to train our system for a few weeks. Admittedly, that may not be a luxury we can afford.

It’s a tough call, but I think I’d be more inclined to give Kemp a go in defence. I don’t rate Kemp super highly, but the challenge might bring out the best in him.

If we do think S.Durdin is ready to play immediately, I guess another option is to play both Kemp and S.Durdin down back and try Young forward? The benefit of that would be Young could play 2nd ruck and draw some heat away from Charlie in attack. The obvious issue is it takes both Weitering and Young out of defence at the same time, which is far from ideal and probably unsettles things too much.

I'd be playing all three in defence.
We rolled the dice against Pies and it backfired.

:? We lost our defensive lynchpin to injury in the first quarter.

Started the game with Weitering, Young, Plowman, Docherty, Saad, Stocker… how is that rolling the dice??

Because we only had two talls in defence and one forward (Charlie) and one ruck, and no coverage eg via the sub.
Kemp should at least have been the sub, but presumably because he'd been sub the week before they didn't want to repeat.
So he should have been in the team instead of back to vfl (or used as sub anyway).

If you are a tall short in each area of the ground you are asking for trouble because you have no options to rejig.

This week against ESS, going with just Young and Kemp as talls would be a stretch against their talls let alone considering they are both relatively inexperienced.
So I'd definitely bring in Durdin to share the load.

We haven’t played three talls in defence all season, so I think it will be two of Young, Durdin & Kemp in defence - plus Plowman as the 3rd. If Young, Durdin & Kemp all play it’ll be because one of them is going forward IMO.

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Fox is saying McGrath did a groin at training and will miss Friday night

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