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PostPosted: Tue May 31, 2022 8:22 pm 
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Aaron Hamill needs to step up.
Our method of bringing the ball out of defence is deplorable and it cost us badly yesterday. Our tall stocks are severely depleted yet we continually kick it long out of defence. If Doc is going to kick out, we may as well hand the ball to the opposition on the back flank because he continually does the same thing and gets the same response.
Numerous times there are shorter hit up options yet we choose to ignore them.
Ignoring them makes us too easy to play against. If you hit that option once or twice, the opposition have to man them up and we can then start to manoeuvre the opposition zone to create space.

I don't buy the criticism of our small forwards. Motlop was found out as a young player but Durdin and Owies are doing their roles well. Owies is number 2 in the AFL for forward 50 tackles and Durdin chases as hard as anyone in our team. As a team we're only behind top 3 sides Melbourne and Freo for forward 50 tackles.
With us playing at least one half forward up at the stoppages (Walsh) and often a second (Fisher our Carroll), our forwards are usually battling against at least one extra defender and occasionally 2. Having Harry out allows the opposition defenders the luxury of knowing every time where the ball is going so they can triple team Charlie and I thought the Pies midfielders/wings did a great job of getting back to support their defence. Too often the Pies defenders spoiled the ball and Taylor Adams or Sidebottom were there to clear the ball.

As I said elsewhere, we need to tough it out whilst we wait for the reinforcements to come back into the team. Our next few games will require Young to step up but he would have been playing on the number 1 forwards anyway. Weiters wouldn't have played on Wright, Lynch or King IMHO. It will require Plowman to play above his height and hopefully Marchbank comes back in to assist. The pre-season draft will be very interesting.


It was doing my f^&*)) head in all day

Tackling is one thing...my criticism of the small forwards was around crumbing ineptitude inside F30

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:57 am 
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Having watched a bit of footage today, I agree the lowering of the eyes when moving forward would make us less predictable let alone taking advantage of opportunity as it presents, rather than bombing to Charlie.

The kick outs from a behind need to be sorted. Maybe that's another layer Vossy has in the queue, but imo any good player who understands and can read the game can find methodology to connect a player to the kick in ball.

Two above areas are just adjustments that help us retain possession and may in fact give us more set shots at goal.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:04 pm 
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Last week Pies took 21 F50 marks to our 9.

Charlie was the lone target most of the time, with SOS leading up, or rucking, and TDK making his way to the forwardline. An injury to any of those 3 will limit our ability to mark in the F50.

We need 3 tall marking targets in F50 imo
We need 3 tall marking backs in D50 imo.

If we don't snag a player in the MSD who is ready to take the challenge of playing against one of the 200cm Effendum* forwards Wright, Draper or Philips, then...

In the backline we have Young and Plowman. We need to add Kemp or the next tallest developed player being Marchbank, and if he is not going to be risked going straight to seniors from injury list, then it seems Setterfield is the only one left in the cupboard.

Fowardline talls has to be Charlie and Jack with support from Kemp or Setterfield...unless we find a ready to go Fwd-Ruck to support TDK in the MSD.

Conundrum. Fingers crossed for a couple season saving, great selections tonight.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 12:05 pm 
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re Doc, yep I was screaming (much to my brother's dismay) could someone else please take those kick-ins!

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:41 pm 
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I can see Sam Durdin coming straight in and playing on Peter Wright. Along with Young we have some size in defence and can cover their forwards.

Hayes would be tempting but a big call

I would also play Mirkov to allow TDK forward and stop Jack & Cripps playing Ruck

B: Stocker Young Plowman
HB: Docherty Durdin Saad
C: Walsh Cripps O’Brien
HF: Durdin Silvagni Fisher
F: Martin Curnow Owies
Foll: Mirkov Hewett Cerra
Int: TDK Kennedy Dow Kemp (Newman)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 9:43 pm 
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It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon* while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 10:07 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.
I don't think so
All he has to do is what he has done in that high light reel. Thump it away and mark it when he can.
Sit on his man and don't let him get it.

Seems a biggish unit so can't see him being out bodied.

It's now up to Doc Saad Plowman and Stocker to organise the defence

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 01, 2022 11:31 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 12:52 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon*** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.
I don't think so
All he has to do is what he has done in that high light reel. Thump it away and mark it when he can.
Sit on his man and don't let him get it.

Seems a biggish unit so can't see him being out bodied.

It's now up to Doc Saad Plowman and Stocker to organise the defence

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Totally get wheer abns is coming from, but imo Durdin has enougfh experience around him for help and guidance, and agree with you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:25 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.


I don't know what they will do but I just feel we need to cover Weitering somehow and we have no one else.

My only reason for playing Mirkov (who is still raw) is it changes our structure so much and takes pressure off others. He's that type I think he will handle it. If he can step up for a week or so it would really help so many others until Pittonet is back


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 2:26 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon**** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.
I don't think so
All he has to do is what he has done in that high light reel. Thump it away and mark it when he can.
Sit on his man and don't let him get it.

Seems a biggish unit so can't see him being out bodied.

It's now up to Doc Saad Plowman and Stocker to organise the defence

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Totally get wheer abns is coming from, but imo Durdin has enougfh experience around him for help and guidance, and agree with you.


He's 26 and experienced. All he has to do is play his role on Wright or Jones. My feel is he will play


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:19 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon***** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.
I don't think so
All he has to do is what he has done in that high light reel. Thump it away and mark it when he can.
Sit on his man and don't let him get it.

Seems a biggish unit so can't see him being out bodied.

It's now up to Doc Saad Plowman and Stocker to organise the defence

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Totally get wheer abns is coming from, but imo Durdin has enougfh experience around him for help and guidance, and agree with you.


He's 26 and experienced. All he has to do is play his role on Wright or Jones. My feel is he will play


... and hurt them whilst he's at it.

Lets see how he dominates his opponent as he states.

I want to beat these Prix like the rest of the footy world do.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 4:21 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
It’s a big ask to bring someone straight in who hasn’t been training or playing with the group. I’d more inclined to give Kemp a shot against Essendon*** while S.Durdin has a fortnight training - and at least one VFL game - learning the system. Young probably gets Wright?

If anyone is likely to come straight in, it is Hayes. He has been working in our system since before Christmas.

And I can’t see Mirkov playing seniors for awhile yet. For one thing, he is recovering from an ankle injury.


I don't know what they will do but I just feel we need to cover Weitering somehow and we have no one else.

My only reason for playing Mirkov (who is still raw) is it changes our structure so much and takes pressure off others. He's that type I think he will handle it. If he can step up for a week or so it would really help so many others until Pittonet is back



I don't think Mirkov is anywhere nar ready/ fit enough/ strong enough to compete with bonafide AFL rucks, starting with Draper and Philips next game.

BUT, I get where you are coming from.

Can't help feel we lose Crippas impact as a RR when he is relieving ruck for TDK.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:12 pm 
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My main concern with Cripps in the ruck ,is that Draper is the type of prick that would deliberately charge into him with the intent of trying to injure him. He’s a rough big bastard.


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Waterman wrote:
My main concern with Cripps in the ruck ,is that Draper is the type of prick that would deliberately charge into him with the intent of trying to injure him. He’s a rough big bastard.
Cripps doesn't ruck centre bounces.

Throw ins and wrestles only...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:59 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
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You stand by your comment? That settles it then. It must be right.


I didn't say it is right.

It's my opinion. This is an opinion board.
Someone has lead you up the garden path.
TC is mostly a group think.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 11:13 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Traveller86 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
You stand by your comment? That settles it then. It must be right.


I didn't say it is right.

It's my opinion. This is an opinion board.
Someone has lead you up the garden path.
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Not true.

I’m guessing it just feels that way when you’re constantly wrong… :razz:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:10 am 
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bluehammer wrote:
Waterman wrote:
My main concern with Cripps in the ruck ,is that Draper is the type of prick that would deliberately charge into him with the intent of trying to injure him. He’s a rough big bastard.
Cripps doesn't ruck centre bounces.

Throw ins and wrestles only...



I never thought about that, but reflecting on his ruck work, I think you're right.
TDK takes centre bounce, then there's a stoppage and Crippa takes on the ruck and sends TDK forward.
Saw that a couple times vs Pies

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:18 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
Waterman wrote:
My main concern with Cripps in the ruck ,is that Draper is the type of prick that would deliberately charge into him with the intent of trying to injure him. He’s a rough big bastard.
Cripps doesn't ruck centre bounces.

Throw ins and wrestles only...



I never thought about that, but reflecting on his ruck work, I think you're right.
TDK takes centre bounce, then there's a stoppage and Crippa takes on the ruck and sends TDK forward.
Saw that a couple times vs Pies


Yes, if JSOS is rucking then he follows the ball all around the ground, if TDK is rucking he takes the centre bounce and pushes fwd as much as possible leaving around the ground to Cripps or whomever else is nearby. I noticed it against GWS.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:30 am 
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I agree with ABNS - I can't see S. Durdin coming straight in without at least one game in the twos.

Hayes, maybe... he hasn't played a few weeks, however, and I have no idea if he's injured or we were messing about and keeping him in our back pocket.

If we follow the 'next man up' principal, then, at this stage, Kemp replaces Weitering.

Martin has had a run in the twos and comes in for Carroll, who clearly needs a spell.

Kennedy returns, and as much as I'd like to see Dow get a run at it... I think Kennedy replaces the man who replaced him.

OUT: Dow, Carroll, Weitering
IN: Kennedy, Martin, Kemp

Cottrell probably slides back into the subs position.


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