Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Wed May 14, 2025 9:45 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 204 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 11  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 11:08 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 24723
Location: Bondi Beach
Drewgirl wrote:
LOB was actually amazing on the weekend. Best game I have seem him play in a long long time. No way he gets dropped. Did you see his kicking into our forward line? Going to be a hard one. Who to drop. Stocker out so if williams is ready he replaces him. Hewitt replaces anyone in my book. Candidates - Newnes, Plowman. Cottrel doesnt count, but if we drop Plowman he can be the sub. I think Newnes had his best game for a while too.



I was chatting to a fellow TCer this morning about LOB.

I wasn't looking at stats just the role LOB was playing and his effectiveness, and felt it was the most rounded game LOB has played, with a good mix of physicality and class and able to run to spots on ground that don't get you stats but do deter the opposition making headway through him.

Then I saw he had only 15 kicks in 80% game time at 87% efficiency. So stats lie a bit, because LOB was really good, like he belonged. LOBs 45 meter bullet pass to Martin was world class.

LOB wad really good. Newnes was better imo.

Its great to have selection head aches, and neither Stocker or Young should get suspended IF Carlton appeals. Michael Christian is clearly bias, and picks and chooses what he will decide on. Idiot to have in charge of such an important role. He is a danger to our game.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 11:16 am 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 24723
Location: Bondi Beach
TDK vs Reilly OBrien.

Both same height. OBrien heavier. TDK jumps higher.

That's where it all starts folks.

Like us, they don't have a bonafide ruck giving OBrein the chop out

OBrien took over from Sam Jacobs and hit top form in 2020, so he's good at his craft.

TDK can win this contest if he plays as good as he did vs Goldstein

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 11:38 am 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am
Posts: 2742
I reckon we would lose if we appealed the Stocker one - he bumped, he hit his head, done.
However, I thought it was awesome and I reckon Voss will have praised it amongst the players.
I was on Level 3 above where it occurred and I fair dinkum heard the crack of the collision! :clap:
Stocker must be pretty damn tough - he was pulling and pushing after the incident so either he injured himself in the pulling/pushing or he is pretty good at hiding/pushing through the pain!

Re Young, his marking was also very strong and gutsy. Showing another side and taking big strides forward. Others in his position and stage of development might just punch the ball away. He is winning contested marking contests.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 11:49 am 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 6:42 pm
Posts: 2833
https://www.afl.com.au/news/753757/blue ... ump-on-roo

We are appealing the Young decision


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:29 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:35 am
Posts: 8963
Location: Melbourne
I don't understand how this was ever reportable. The bump was assessed as body contact, not high. If that's reportable it's effectively illegal to bump at all now.

_________________
:lol: :-D :) :? :( :x :evil:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:31 pm 
Offline
Wayne Johnston
User avatar

Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 9:35 am
Posts: 8963
Location: Melbourne
In fact I don't even see how it was a free kick. It's like Eleni gave him a sympathy free because the bump would have hurt

_________________
:lol: :-D :) :? :( :x :evil:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 12:35 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley

Joined: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:04 pm
Posts: 7480
Location: Bendigo
This week would be the right time for Adelaide to bring Thilthorpe back in - if his knee is right to go.

Thilthorpe, Tex and the big albino would be a handful for any defensive group, let alone our banged up set.

_________________
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter" - Winston Churchill.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:39 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:58 pm
Posts: 4299
jake_h03 wrote:
In fact I don't even see how it was a free kick. It's like Eleni gave him a sympathy free because the bump would have hurt


Eleni did what she always does. She guessed. Saw a bloke get hurt so assumed a free kick was warranted. Maybe she should umpire under 10s.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:45 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 2:10 pm
Posts: 2819
Tex is a worry, such a good and long kick makes him very dangerous. We need Young to play or we might get stretched


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 1:51 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm
Posts: 3441
Obviously we have to wait and see what happens with the tribunal and with injury, but I'd say it's most likely just:

Out: Stocker
In: Hewitt

The only other decision might be whether they play Williams or Plowman as sub.

Adelaide usually play three talls - lately it's been Himmelburg (198), Walker (194) and Gollant (192) surrounded by a suite of smalls - Rachele, Rowe, Murphy, McAdam, McHenry, etc.

If Young doesn't get suspended he gets Himmelburg. Weiters probably takes Walker and then you'd toss up whether to play Plowman on Gollant or go with someone smaller who can run off him, because Gollant, at this stage, doesn't play especially tall.

If Adelaide make changes and bring in extra height, we might struggle. Equally, if Young is rubbed out then the cupboard is pretty bare for talls. You could play Kemp... or maybe Parks comes back from his foot injury immediately. Even if McDonald was fit you might not play him off zero footy. Your only other option would be to swing Silvagni back, but that causes all sorts of other issues.

Alternatively you just go '@#$%&! it', and back the system to work. Back the midfield to win and deny their forwards the ball so their height means nothing.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 3:21 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 24723
Location: Bondi Beach
bluechampion wrote:
Obviously we have to wait and see what happens with the tribunal and with injury, but I'd say it's most likely just:

Out: Stocker
In: Hewitt

The only other decision might be whether they play Williams or Plowman as sub.

Adelaide usually play three talls - lately it's been Himmelburg (198), Walker (194) and Gollant (192) surrounded by a suite of smalls - Rachele, Rowe, Murphy, McAdam, McHenry, etc.

If Young doesn't get suspended he gets Himmelburg. Weiters probably takes Walker and then you'd toss up whether to play Plowman on Gollant or go with someone smaller who can run off him, because Gollant, at this stage, doesn't play especially tall.

If Adelaide make changes and bring in extra height, we might struggle. Equally, if Young is rubbed out then the cupboard is pretty bare for talls. You could play Kemp... or maybe Parks comes back from his foot injury immediately. Even if McDonald was fit you might not play him off zero footy. Your only other option would be to swing Silvagni back, but that causes all sorts of other issues.

Alternatively you just go '@#$%&! it', and back the system to work. Back the midfield to win and deny their forwards the ball so their height means nothing.


Do you really believe Williams will return through the VFL, or might come in as sub, or that your opinion?

He's a starting 18 player every day of the week if fit....imo.
And I guess we will find out this Thursday.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 3:44 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Fri May 18, 2007 2:10 pm
Posts: 2819
bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Obviously we have to wait and see what happens with the tribunal and with injury, but I'd say it's most likely just:

Out: Stocker
In: Hewitt

The only other decision might be whether they play Williams or Plowman as sub.

Adelaide usually play three talls - lately it's been Himmelburg (198), Walker (194) and Gollant (192) surrounded by a suite of smalls - Rachele, Rowe, Murphy, McAdam, McHenry, etc.

If Young doesn't get suspended he gets Himmelburg. Weiters probably takes Walker and then you'd toss up whether to play Plowman on Gollant or go with someone smaller who can run off him, because Gollant, at this stage, doesn't play especially tall.

If Adelaide make changes and bring in extra height, we might struggle. Equally, if Young is rubbed out then the cupboard is pretty bare for talls. You could play Kemp... or maybe Parks comes back from his foot injury immediately. Even if McDonald was fit you might not play him off zero footy. Your only other option would be to swing Silvagni back, but that causes all sorts of other issues.

Alternatively you just go '@#$%&! it', and back the system to work. Back the midfield to win and deny their forwards the ball so their height means nothing.


Do you really believe Williams will return through the VFL, or might come in as sub, or that your opinion?

He's a starting 18 player every day of the week if fit....imo.
And I guess we will find out this Thursday.


Agree, he’s playing if fit.
Carroll might be super unlucky if both Williams and Hewitt come up. Maybe Newman could be nervous too


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 3:54 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm
Posts: 3441
bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Obviously we have to wait and see what happens with the tribunal and with injury, but I'd say it's most likely just:

Out: Stocker
In: Hewitt

The only other decision might be whether they play Williams or Plowman as sub.

Adelaide usually play three talls - lately it's been Himmelburg (198), Walker (194) and Gollant (192) surrounded by a suite of smalls - Rachele, Rowe, Murphy, McAdam, McHenry, etc.

If Young doesn't get suspended he gets Himmelburg. Weiters probably takes Walker and then you'd toss up whether to play Plowman on Gollant or go with someone smaller who can run off him, because Gollant, at this stage, doesn't play especially tall.

If Adelaide make changes and bring in extra height, we might struggle. Equally, if Young is rubbed out then the cupboard is pretty bare for talls. You could play Kemp... or maybe Parks comes back from his foot injury immediately. Even if McDonald was fit you might not play him off zero footy. Your only other option would be to swing Silvagni back, but that causes all sorts of other issues.

Alternatively you just go '@#$%&! it', and back the system to work. Back the midfield to win and deny their forwards the ball so their height means nothing.


Do you really believe Williams will return through the VFL, or might come in as sub, or that your opinion?

He's a starting 18 player every day of the week if fit....imo.
And I guess we will find out this Thursday.


I agree... It kinda depends on the match ups. Plowman might retain his spot due to his height, which means Williams is the sub.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 4:46 pm 
Offline
Rod McGregor

Joined: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:06 pm
Posts: 173
Location: Melbourne
Not so bullish on LOB as a few above. There was a piece of play in front of us in the second qtr when he pretty clearly jumped out of the North blokes way. I know he has some positives but I cant see how Carroll could be left out for him. Assuming Young is Ok to play:
In: Hewitt, Williams
Out: LOB, Newnes


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 4:50 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17959
Stocker came in for Parks. Plowman came in for Williams.
So Williams will come in for Stocker if fit and Plowman will retain his place (rightly so) IMHO.
We've played a back 7 for a number of years now so I cant see one of them suddenly being the sub and we go in without a backline rotation.

I'd suggest Carroll or Durdin are most likely to get the sub vest, at the expense of Hewitt. Both would be very unlucky. It's not been very often we've said that the past 20 years.
The other option (which I've been keen on all season) is to run a 4 position rotation off the wing. Wing/midfield/half forward/bench and drop Newnes or LOB to the sub vest. The complication is I'm unsure if Carroll has the endurance to be included in the wing component.
If so, we could run Walsh/Cerra/Fisher/Carroll. Walsh and Cerra doing most of the midfield/wing rotation and the other 2 pinch hitting to add a difference.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 5:16 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 35701
Location: Half back flank
DesEnglish wrote:
Agree, he’s playing if fit.
Carroll might be super unlucky if both Williams and Hewitt come up. Maybe Newman could be nervous too



I thought Newman was good.

_________________
#DonTheStash


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 5:26 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am
Posts: 22357
PercyJones wrote:
Not so bullish on LOB as a few above. There was a piece of play in front of us in the second qtr when he pretty clearly jumped out of the North blokes way. I know he has some positives but I cant see how Carroll could be left out for him. Assuming Young is Ok to play:
In: Hewitt, Williams
Out: LOB, Newnes


There is no chance we drop LOB after that game. Need him to build confidence.

_________________
dane's trolling again


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 5:28 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby

Joined: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:24 pm
Posts: 5537
Location: Bridge, Starship Enterprise
Kemp was playing well late last year in the backline. He is our future. Now being stuffed around as a forward like Weitering a few seasons back. If Young doesn't get up he should be automatic.

_________________
"Get ready, Teddy - you're on": Ron Barassi half time 1970 Grand Final


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 5:33 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:39 am
Posts: 30269
Location: riding shotgun on Agros Karma Train
Talk of dropping plowman is batshit crazy

Sent from my SM-G986B using Tapatalk

_________________
Between our dreams and actions lies this world


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 5:34 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm
Posts: 6047
Blue Vain wrote:
Stocker came in for Parks. Plowman came in for Williams.
So Williams will come in for Stocker if fit and Plowman will retain his place (rightly so) IMHO.
We've played a back 7 for a number of years now so I cant see one of them suddenly being the sub and we go in without a backline rotation.

I'd suggest Carroll or Durdin are most likely to get the sub vest, at the expense of Hewitt. Both would be very unlucky. It's not been very often we've said that the past 20 years.
The other option (which I've been keen on all season) is to run a 4 position rotation off the wing. Wing/midfield/half forward/bench and drop Newnes or LOB to the sub vest. The complication is I'm unsure if Carroll has the endurance to be included in the wing component.
If so, we could run Walsh/Cerra/Fisher/Carroll. Walsh and Cerra doing most of the midfield/wing rotation and the other 2 pinch hitting to add a difference.

I reckon that’s spot on.

What would you do if Young’s suspension is upheld? Kemp has only played one half as a defender in the VFL this year but he should know our system. Frankly, I don’t think we have an alternative if Parks & OMac are still unavailable.

_________________
It's never as good as it looks and it's never as bad as it seems.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 204 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 ... 11  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 52 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group