Yes I was thinking earlier the challenge in the first instance is to get the ball...then play keepings off

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Yep NFL. Teams get a 2 to 3 score lead often revert to the run game to kill the clock

I also think it's important we score. I mean 1 goal in Q3 and 1 goal in Q4 simply isn't enough. If you've got a sizeable lead at HT then you don't necessarily need to outscore the opposition in H2. But our scores in H2 have been way too small. We seem to be kicking long down the line hoping either Harry clunks it or it goes out of bounds. But this tactic isn't conducive to us scoring. We seem to lack run late. But surely it's not a fitness thing. I imagine it's more instruction. We looked better late in the Port game when we finally got a few short kicks hitting targets. So maybe the issue is more by design. Maybe we need to a. Win possession then b. Play keepings off as Caz alluded to.

Easy peasy.

There’s also got to be better recognition of who’s on the field & where. Play the opposite wing if their guns are off the field. Boot it through the interchange gate if ours are.

In this era of tinkering for the sake of tinkering, the changes made to the runners rules have opened the game up more than any other.

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I noticed with the Hawks that they trusted the kick in system they had and that they would more often than not win the contested marking, so they would all spread from D50 up to the F50 both creating space and more options to get the rebound all the way into the forwards or at minimum, contests in their favour.
We seem to choke it up on the wing until we are sure the ball will make it or we move it so fast the fowards are not there, then we get caught out with only 1 or 2 forwards v 3 or 4 defenders ready to go if it doesn't get turned over or go out of bounds.
We have to trust that both Harry and Charlie will beat their opponents one out almost every time.
Contested marking by wingers/mids may the problem here, because both Harry and Charlie do a lot of contested marking down the ground often leaving the F50 to the smalls or empty.
This is what it seems like on TV, maybe being at the ground it might look different.
And I'm yet to watch the replay, so I am sure there are others that have more a accurate recall of events.
Either way, I'm sure we can fix the problems then hold on for the ride.

In the good (?) old days, you would start a fight and/or give away “professional” 15 metre penalties to slow the opposition down. Essendon* were great at doing it to us in the 80s.

I realise this is not a helpful contribution to the current discussion.

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I can't believe this isn't being done.... Even if you give away a free, it's enough time to get players back...

Go Blues

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It's a good contribution ABNS..... and can still be done in a slightly different way... Professional frees are a part of most sports

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I have no doubt that 'halting momentum' will be the next big structural tweak to a gameplan for coaches. Not saying that it isn't already happening but there's more and more evidence that both the 6 6 6 rule and possibly the 'stand' rule are key players in this exaggerated trend we are seeing.

Coaches are so wedded to their gamestyle that if they currently place too much emphasis on stopping run ons, it's seen as a failure of their game plan. Eventually coaches will find a balance and dedicate more time to plugging leaks before they burst in a more timely manner...as part of their game plan

Reckon we will see less 6-10 goal shifts as the year goes by

Glad to provide the stimulus for this thread

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I am also confused why it’s so hard to just play keeping’s off.

I could be wrong but it feels like we never try the switch anymore, it’s always long down the line.

The backwards-sideways-going-nowhere stuff used to be infuriating under Bolton because we weren’t able to put scores on the board. But now that we are able to generate leads why not just suck the energy out of the game for 5-10 minutes a quarter? Chasing tail is demoralising for the opponent when you’re 40 points down. Then we can revert back to direct footy.

I may also be mis-remembering, but it also seemed like we always went down the same line/wing against port and they were always set up for it, especially from kick outs. The MCG is a wide ground we should be using all the width available to us when we need to.


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Everything in this game starts and stops in the midfield.
You get a goal kicked against you the next centre bounce needs to be your starting midfield that got you in front in the 1st place.
Teams get run ons it is not the chip chip that is the issue it's losing the clearances and centre bounces or poor clearances.



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Players aren't robots and like the rest of us, when under pressure we resort to what is safe.
It's reasonable to take risks and step outside your comfort zone when the stakes are low. Going for a risky 45 degree corridor kick or taking on a high risk/high reward option is a lot different early in the game or when you're 5 goals up.
When the opposition get a run on, they're no different that the get energy and belief, They chase harder, they communicate better and they definitely work harder offensively.
But let's not feel we are the only team that suffers momentum swings. As I posted elsewhere, the current premiers and best team in the AFL coughed up 6 goals in a row in Round 1. Last year, we gave up a lot of 5 goal runs. Without looking at the stats, I'd suggest we are far better this year.

The key is to analyse how the opposition are playing, how they have changed their structure and to have leaders who can adapt on field. Port would have looked at how GC exposed us through the corridor and went in with a plan to do the same. Fortunately our FD worked on it through the week and our zone protected the corridor well. We conceded the wide option and it threw out Ports planning.
It enabled us to get on top and to dominate them.
After half time they came out with a different strategy of switching the ball, moving our zone and they exposed holes in it. We couldn't adapt and their turnover game flourished and gave them belief and consequently momentum.
It will take time. The great sides have on field leaders who can adapt and impact strategically mid game/mid quarter. Watch Steven May and Jake Lever. They drive their team like a gaming console.
We're not that fortunate yet.

When the pressure was on Sunday, Weiters made as many errors as anyone. Or Cripps will try to do everything instead of trusting the system. Its takes time. But as each week goes by and another team challenges and exposes us, it gives the players real time learning opportunities. It gives the coaches game specific scenarios to teach and allows them to cater strategy specific drills at training to counter the options.
But it cant happen overnight. Basic tactics and strategies can take weeks or months to bed down. Go and watch a team train, whether it be AFL or lower levels and watch the drills. When the players are competent and confident, watch what happens when an extra footy or an extra defender is thrown into the drill. Most times it will deteriorate significantly. Because what is becoming instinctive now requires additional attention and the instinct is challenged.

So when our players have the game on their terms, they are world beaters. But when the opposition take it away from them or disrupt our flow. Like every other team, we must adapt and counter it. It's going to take time.
But look at the positives. Port closed to 2 points on Sunday before the half way mark of the last quarter. Yet we won the game.
We arrested some of their momentum, we found a way to score and our pressure rating increased. Once our players become proficient in adapting mid quarter, once they learn to understand the methods the opposition are implementing and once they instinctively understand as a collective how we can tactically counter it, we'll be a real contender.
It's a lot closer than it was this time last year. Every training session, every game review and every opportunity to play against finals sides are absolutely invaluable to us at the moment. Because we rightly view them as great learning opportunities.
Last year we went out and played a flaky game of footy. This year we are going out and practicing what we're learning. It's a huge difference. But it's rightly taking time. When you can see our deficiencies and can then see us come out with a countering strategy the following weeks, you know that we're finally learning to become a real team with an integrated game style with substance. That's the sweetest part of it all.
Just my opinion. Sorry for the long winded ramble.

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What about we give every player a sachet of tomato sauce and when needed, call a blood-rule time out to regroup...good way of getting a player off the bench we need

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Bring back the biff.

Thanks for taking the time to write that BV. Wish I had your footy brain.

I think the problem is caused by a lot of things, but most convincing source of the phenomena called Momentum is the 6-6-6 rule.

We dominate clearances with inside outside mids Cripps Walsh Hewett Cerra Kennedy, when Pitto rucks.

They can't do it on their own for 4 quarters. They tire because there's no one to rotate with the motors required to keep intensity up in the contest.

Owies Durdin can't do it, and Martin and Fisher don't do it enough let alone a different body shape to perform the role of the Fab 5.

It says to me, as good as they are, a couple have to be upgraded. We need players who can play midfield and forward to play Voss' Game Plan.

Carroll, Honey, Philp, maybe Stocker and Kemp in the future. The talent is there but untried.


LOB Setterfield Newnes Cottrell wing debate is another issue imo and they can't be relied on for a taxing running game as it is.


Genuine Intercept Mark (3rd Tall) is another specialised and important role. We're missing Marchbank and McGovern.

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