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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:09 am 
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Interestingly, our VFL side plays at the exact same time as our senior side, both on the Good Coast.


That's bad.
A curtain raiser was a smarter thing to do for the footy public in a growing market.

Probably all on the same flights there and back. Ditto accomodation.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 11:25 am 
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1) Rain
I think there are very few situations that justify a different team based on rain/weather. The grounds are damn good and the players are all very skillful.
It is more likely to have an influence on game day tactics - ie get the ball forward - but doubt we'll be picking players based on the weather.

2) Dow
I have a hunch that Voss is working his magic with respect to Dow and that if/when we see him in the seniors, he will be a different player than the Dow we have seen thus far and much closer to the potential he was drafted on. And if this turns out to be true, then it will elevate us again (as has the rise of Kennedy and the additions of Hewitt and Cerra).

3) Martin
I would like to see Martin in. If he is not in this week, then I reckon it is Voss sending him a message about 4 quarter effort etc... He gives us something different in the forward line with his positioning, marking and tackling. He just needs to bring it for the whole game.

4) Danger game
This match is huge for us. I doubt anyone - especially none of us pessimists - would have foreseen even 3-1, let alone 4-0. This is the type of game we have historically dropped after winning well the previous week. I really, really hope we can perform well - 4 quarter effort, win each quarter, and a solid overall win (ie. 5 goals+). Then I will start to trust. At the moment, I still think of us as a 6-10 team who has had the good end of the stick over the past few weeks and now needs to frank that.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:14 pm 
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No sure how we can be 3-0 and making five changes with three blokes dropped? Leave Pitto out to rest up, play TdeK and Jack in the ruck. Saad in for Boyd, Martin into the 22, the sub can be Dow.

Longer term, like others I'm still not convinced by LOB. I see Stocker taking Newmans spot within a couple of weeks.



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 2:09 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Interestingly, our VFL side plays at the exact same time as our senior side, both on the Good Coast.


That's bad.
A curtain raiser was a smarter thing to do for the footy public in a growing market.

Probably all on the same flights there and back. Ditto accomodation.


This link suggests there will be a curtain raiser at Metricon starting at 12.00pm. Battle between two undefeated VFL teams

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/vfl-2022-scores-results-fixtures-best-players-goalkickers-ladder/uuzirtxtrye5h2tihomcpnnn

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 3:24 pm 
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With 21 teams in the VFL surely there must be a case now to have an Australian wide, East West conference style set up for reserves level football?
Add Tas - 2, SA - 4, WA - 4, NT - 1. Total 32 teams split into 2 conferences.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:41 pm 
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Good idea.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:43 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Good idea.

So long as we don't call them "conferences"

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:56 pm 
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No sure how we can be 3-0 and making five changes with three blokes dropped? Leave Pitto out to rest up, play TdeK and Jack in the ruck. Saad in for Boyd, Martin into the 22, the sub can be Dow.

Longer term, like others I'm still not convinced by LOB. I see Stocker taking Newmans spot within a couple of weeks.


This pretty much spot on for me. On every point.

I think LOB will be pushed out soon, by who yet remains to be seen but there are too many talented players in the twos with far more upside for him to remain for long based on his current output. Carroll is the one I’d love to see given a run on the wing. Nice way to ease him to AFL with a bit more time and space. Honey, Philp and Kemp would also be options for this role.

Stocker is an instant upgrade on Newman and will happen as soon as stock is match fit.

Motlop and Honey will be putting huge pressure on Owies, Durdin, and fisher. As soon as form drops I’d expect one of these guys to be given a chance.

Martin is best 22 every day of the week. He is a bit inconsistent but when he’s on he’s a match winner. We have enough meat and potatoes players, we need a bit more class and X factor and Martin provides that in spades. If I was the opposition, I’d be very happy if Martin was out


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 6:59 pm 
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Yep good summary Jake

It'll be interesting to see what this side looks like in a few weeks.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:06 pm 
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Durdin out this week with covid.
Saad hopefully should be back.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:18 pm 
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Is Motlop a flatmate with Durdin? If so we are back to
out: Durdin Boyd
In: Martin Saad


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:23 pm 
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Apparently Carroll, Williamson and Motlop live with him and are all in iso.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 7:38 pm 
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Maybe it’s time for players to get a rent subsidy so they can live alone … lol

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:16 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Maybe it’s time for players to get a rent subsidy so they can live alone … lol


Maybe it’s time to drop these ridiculous health and safety protocols. Anyone who hasn’t had it will get it soon. What is the point. If you’re sick stay home. If you’re not, play on


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:27 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
Maybe it’s time for players to get a rent subsidy so they can live alone … lol


Maybe it’s time to drop these ridiculous health and safety protocols. Anyone who hasn’t had it will get it soon. What is the point. If you’re sick stay home. If you’re not, play on


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Yes, but until then, its an easy decision to change the rules for those living together ... or, yes, subsidise loners.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:27 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
bluechampion wrote:
Interestingly, our VFL side plays at the exact same time as our senior side, both on the Good Coast.


That's bad.
A curtain raiser was a smarter thing to do for the footy public in a growing market.

Probably all on the same flights there and back. Ditto accomodation.


This link suggests there will be a curtain raiser at Metricon starting at 12.00pm. Battle between two undefeated VFL teams

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/vfl-2022-scores-results-fixtures-best-players-goalkickers-ladder/uuzirtxtrye5h2tihomcpnnn


The thing I looked at may have gotten the seniors and reserves confused.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:03 am 
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Here is my view. First, don't risk Pittonet and MacDonald given back problems and an interstate plane trip. Setterfield, O'Brien and Fisher have been the least impressive of the small men over the journey, notwithstanding O'Brien has shown marked improvement, Setterfield has had his moments and Fisher is a bit of a favourite of mine. Newman a bit lucky not to risk the cut as well but don't want 5 changes to the team. Play Williams up on a wing and see how he goes. No problem with going smaller given the time and location of game and the weather forecast. I don't mind making a few changes given the team has not been running out games and the 2s have been better at that. Also, Vossy was at pains in the after match presser to talk about the need to have a squad mentality. So, out Pittonet (managed - play him in the 2s if fit enough, otherwise give him a week to get his back better - same with MacDonald) Fisher O'Brien and Setterfield. Boyd hasn't been as good as his abilities justify, I think he is a bit overawed at the moment but more game time in the 1s will either allow him to adjust to the tempo and show his speed, precision delivery, versatility and ability to play lockdown small defender better than anyone else on our list. I see him potentially as a Dennis Armfield with precision kicking and I was a huge Armfield fan. If he doesn't get up to speed after a decent run in the 1s back to the 2s and dominate in order to get anther chance when a spot opens up again.

So, IN Dow (solid good form in the 2s), Fogarty (solid form 1s and 2s), Saad (return from covid) and Motlop (too good for 2s, get in whilst his confidence is high. Also although a forward can press up higher thn Owies or Durdin neither of whom have his length of kick. OUT Pitonet (managed) Fisher O'Brien Setterfield (omitted)

Something like:

Boyd Young Plowman
Saad Weitering Docherty
Williams Cripps Walsh
Durdin C Curnow Motlop
McKay Silvagni Owies
De Konning Cerra Hewett (tagging Miller)
Dow Fogarty Kennedy Martin Emerg Newman Travelling 2nd emergency Kemp - can play pretty much any role so ideal for coverage.

We SHOULD smash these guys if our mindset is right.


With Durdin out and Motlop not available it saves O'Brien and Setterfield.

Now suggest:

Boyd Young Plowman

Saad Weitering Docherty

Williams Cripps Walsh

Fogarty C Curnow Martin

McKay Silvagni Owies

De Konning Cerra Hewett (tagging Miller)

Dow Kennedy O'Brien Setterfield Emerg Newman Travelling 2nd emergency Kemp - can play pretty much any role so ideal for coverage.

What struck me about the Voss after-match was his comment about needing a squad, seems to suggest rotating changes a bit more than traditional. Now of course that impacts the extent to which players get to work together (especially in their separate sections of the ground) to jell as a unit, but in part the response to that is you need to have the extra soldiers who may have to come in when a soldier is lost to have some experience with the rest of the group and the other point is that training is the opportunity albeit not under match pressure to jell in that way.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:41 am 
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ianh wrote:
ianh wrote:
Here is my view. First, don't risk Pittonet and MacDonald given back problems and an interstate plane trip. Setterfield, O'Brien and Fisher have been the least impressive of the small men over the journey, notwithstanding O'Brien has shown marked improvement, Setterfield has had his moments and Fisher is a bit of a favourite of mine. Newman a bit lucky not to risk the cut as well but don't want 5 changes to the team. Play Williams up on a wing and see how he goes. No problem with going smaller given the time and location of game and the weather forecast. I don't mind making a few changes given the team has not been running out games and the 2s have been better at that. Also, Vossy was at pains in the after match presser to talk about the need to have a squad mentality. So, out Pittonet (managed - play him in the 2s if fit enough, otherwise give him a week to get his back better - same with MacDonald) Fisher O'Brien and Setterfield. Boyd hasn't been as good as his abilities justify, I think he is a bit overawed at the moment but more game time in the 1s will either allow him to adjust to the tempo and show his speed, precision delivery, versatility and ability to play lockdown small defender better than anyone else on our list. I see him potentially as a Dennis Armfield with precision kicking and I was a huge Armfield fan. If he doesn't get up to speed after a decent run in the 1s back to the 2s and dominate in order to get anther chance when a spot opens up again.

So, IN Dow (solid good form in the 2s), Fogarty (solid form 1s and 2s), Saad (return from covid) and Motlop (too good for 2s, get in whilst his confidence is high. Also although a forward can press up higher thn Owies or Durdin neither of whom have his length of kick. OUT Pitonet (managed) Fisher O'Brien Setterfield (omitted)

Something like:

Boyd Young Plowman
Saad Weitering Docherty
Williams Cripps Walsh
Durdin C Curnow Motlop
McKay Silvagni Owies
De Konning Cerra Hewett (tagging Miller)
Dow Fogarty Kennedy Martin Emerg Newman Travelling 2nd emergency Kemp - can play pretty much any role so ideal for coverage.

We SHOULD smash these guys if our mindset is right.


With Durdin out and Motlop not available it saves O'Brien and Setterfield.

Now suggest:

Boyd Young Plowman

Saad Weitering Docherty

Williams Cripps Walsh

Fogarty C Curnow Martin

McKay Silvagni Owies

De Konning Cerra Hewett (tagging Miller)

Dow Kennedy O'Brien Setterfield Emerg Newman Travelling 2nd emergency Kemp - can play pretty much any role so ideal for coverage.

What struck me about the Voss after-match was his comment about needing a squad, seems to suggest rotating changes a bit more than traditional. Now of course that impacts the extent to which players get to work together (especially in their separate sections of the ground) to jell as a unit, but in part the response to that is you need to have the extra soldiers who may have to come in when a soldier is lost to have some experience with the rest of the group and the other point is that training is the opportunity albeit not under match pressure to jell in that way.


Don't know how two small forwards being unavailable saves 2 wingmen?
Also, kidding yourself if you think Newman won't be in the 22.

Pretty simple changes this week if you ask me.
In: Saad, Martin
Out: Boyd, Durdin


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 07, 2022 9:00 am 
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rhino27 wrote:
Pretty simple changes this week if you ask me.
In: Saad, Martin
Out: Boyd, Durdin


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Unless Pittonet doesn't come up, they're the logical changes.
Weitering seems to be having ankle issues the past few weeks as well. Hopefully he's also right to go.

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I thought we pretty much had the whole squad licking each other during December/January pre-season so they all got covid then?

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