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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:18 pm 
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GeeCoach15 wrote:
For what it is worth here is my take on it.

Let's start with the no brainer - Lewis replaces McDonald

In regards to who goes out for Cerra and Martin to come in.

Cerra replaces Fogarty - i think this is easy as Fogarty replaced him and it is somewhat like for like.

Martin is an interesting one - Does he come straight back in? But if we think he does then the option for me is Plowman. A lot of people are bringing up Setterfield and O'Brien's name but for me you need to continue to look for balance. Both OBrien and Setterfield have been playing as Wingman. more on the outside and not as inside mids. If you take one of them out then maybe Walsh needs to push to Wing, and why the hell would we want to do that when he gives us burst from the Midfield. Plus both 4 and 43 have been decent in both games.

The reason is simple, Gee. Walsh is just that good. Even from the wing, he is a threat to the interior. Leave him out there & you’re cooked. Ease the press at the stoppages and the size we have inside will cave your chest in.

Setterfield & O’Brien might be named on a wing, but George is the one pulling it all together. He’s constantly on the defensive side of the stoppages, which allows the other two to cheat off the contest.


Hewett has been the missing cog.

I love the way he fills that big space on the defensive side and invariably wins the ball in that area. But moreso I love the way he changes direction fully well knowing he has tricked the opponent into a space George had no intention of moving into and then waltzes out with the connection. He makes things happen.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:27 pm 
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Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman


Last year we had 200cm Jones defending and marking.
This year we've replaced him with Oscar.
Oscar is injured.

I think the need for Young has been explained SB.

Plowman vs who?

Lewis 199
McEvoy 200
Nash 197
Gunston 193

I doubt 209cm Reeves rests forward, but one of McEvoy and Nash would give him the chop out.

Hawks play an efficient brand of footy. They connect and run the ball. They will deliver the ball to their big boys to mark. If the Hawks' tall timber have opponents who are midgets (Gov 190 and Plowman 193), we are giving them a chance we don't have to give them.

Gov will have his hands full with Gunston. Newman will give the ball away a few times and Plowman might get a fist to the ball, but he usually gets towelled by taller opponents.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:37 pm 
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We may struggle to find a place in the forward line for another rotation once Cerra comes in. The wing seems the likely rotation role. Plus Walsh and Cerra are suited to a midfield/wing role. We probably need someone else to come into a 3 way rotation with reduced game time (Wing/bench, no midfield role). Possibly Fish or Setterfield.


Walsh and Cerra on wings is not a downgrade for them. They are suited to the wing midfield role. Not many are.

Amazing how strong our midfield group will be with the addition of Cerra: Cripps Walsh Hewett Kennedy Cerra.
Last week Fisher and Setterfield went into the centre bounce and did well. That's with Cerra missing.

Agree that Setterfield and Fish should be kept on and rotate the wing, with Setters having a breather on the bench and Fish rotating forward.

Against that backdrop and the addition of Martin (another HFF who attends midfield rotations), I can easily see Owies or LOB missing this next game.

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Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman


Last year we had 200cm Jones defending and marking.
This year we've replaced him with Oscar.
Oscar is injured.

I think the need for Young has been explained SB.

Plowman vs who?

Lewis 199
McEvoy 200
Nash 197
Gunston 193

I doubt 209cm Reeves rests forward, but one of McEvoy and Nash would give him the chop out.

Hawks play an efficient brand of footy. They connect and run the ball. They will deliver the ball to their big boys to mark. If the Hawks' tall timber have opponents who are midgets (Gov 190 and Plowman 193), we are giving them a chance we don't have to give them.

Gov will have his hands full with Gunston. Newman will give the ball away a few times and Plowman might get a fist to the ball, but he usually gets towelled by taller opponents.
Did I hear Hinkley correctly he said last year Port conceded only 4 goals from opposition taking the ball from their defensive 50 and in the game against Hawks they conceded 9

I don't care if the Hawks have 6 x 400cm giraffes up forward the ball has to get there.
They lost inside 50 and clearances to Port and North.
If we play the way we have in rounds 1&2
We will flog them

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 5:32 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman


Last year we had 200cm Jones defending and marking.
This year we've replaced him with Oscar.
Oscar is injured.

I think the need for Young has been explained SB.

Plowman vs who?

Lewis 199
McEvoy 200
Nash 197
Gunston 193

I doubt 209cm Reeves rests forward, but one of McEvoy and Nash would give him the chop out.

Hawks play an efficient brand of footy. They connect and run the ball. They will deliver the ball to their big boys to mark. If the Hawks' tall timber have opponents who are midgets (Gov 190 and Plowman 193), we are giving them a chance we don't have to give them.

Gov will have his hands full with Gunston. Newman will give the ball away a few times and Plowman might get a fist to the ball, but he usually gets towelled by taller opponents.
Did I hear Hinkley correctly he said last year Port conceded only 4 goals from opposition taking the ball from their defensive 50 and in the game against Hawks they conceded 9

I don't care if the Hawks have 6 x 400cm giraffes up forward the ball has to get there.
They lost inside 50 and clearances to Port and North.
If we play the way we have in rounds 1&2
We will flog them

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Yes but if they do get the ball there why go in with an undersized backline and give them an advantage?

I think you’re on your own with this one


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:49 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman


Last year we had 200cm Jones defending and marking.
This year we've replaced him with Oscar.
Oscar is injured.

I think the need for Young has been explained SB.

Plowman vs who?

Lewis 199
McEvoy 200
Nash 197
Gunston 193

I doubt 209cm Reeves rests forward, but one of McEvoy and Nash would give him the chop out.

Hawks play an efficient brand of footy. They connect and run the ball. They will deliver the ball to their big boys to mark. If the Hawks' tall timber have opponents who are midgets (Gov 190 and Plowman 193), we are giving them a chance we don't have to give them.

Gov will have his hands full with Gunston. Newman will give the ball away a few times and Plowman might get a fist to the ball, but he usually gets towelled by taller opponents.
Did I hear Hinkley correctly he said last year Port conceded only 4 goals from opposition taking the ball from their defensive 50 and in the game against Hawks they conceded 9

I don't care if the Hawks have 6 x 400cm giraffes up forward the ball has to get there.
They lost inside 50 and clearances to Port and North.
If we play the way we have in rounds 1&2
We will flog them

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Yes but if they do get the ball there why go in with an undersized backline and give them an advantage?

I think you’re on your own with this one


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There are going to be so many centre bounces we are going to need that extra midfielder to give them a break. Their giraffes will be running out of their forward 50 into the back half trying to stop this wave of mids pumping forward.
Mitchell should be dropping a giraffes and adding a mid not the other way around

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:02 pm 
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jake_h03 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Liam Jones must of been one hell of player if it now takes two tall defenders to replace him

I don't see the need to select Young - bolster the midfield and defend from the middle

We went the entire last season with Weiters Jones Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman
It should now be Wieters Gov Newman Williams Saad Doc and Plowman


Last year we had 200cm Jones defending and marking.
This year we've replaced him with Oscar.
Oscar is injured.

I think the need for Young has been explained SB.

Plowman vs who?

Lewis 199
McEvoy 200
Nash 197
Gunston 193

I doubt 209cm Reeves rests forward, but one of McEvoy and Nash would give him the chop out.

Hawks play an efficient brand of footy. They connect and run the ball. They will deliver the ball to their big boys to mark. If the Hawks' tall timber have opponents who are midgets (Gov 190 and Plowman 193), we are giving them a chance we don't have to give them.

Gov will have his hands full with Gunston. Newman will give the ball away a few times and Plowman might get a fist to the ball, but he usually gets towelled by taller opponents.
Did I hear Hinkley correctly he said last year Port conceded only 4 goals from opposition taking the ball from their defensive 50 and in the game against Hawks they conceded 9

I don't care if the Hawks have 6 x 400cm giraffes up forward the ball has to get there.
They lost inside 50 and clearances to Port and North.
If we play the way we have in rounds 1&2
We will flog them

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Yes but if they do get the ball there why go in with an undersized backline and give them an advantage?

I think you’re on your own with this one


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6,6,6 probably means that talls are important. 10cm and 10kg is a lot to give away whe trying to defend a quick kick out of the middle


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:44 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
There are going to be so many centre bounces we are going to need that extra midfielder to give them a break. Their giraffes will be running out of their forward 50 into the back half trying to stop this wave of mids pumping forward.
Mitchell should be dropping a giraffes and adding a mid not the other way around

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Fair call re mids, but a 7th defender on the bench is the norm, and he is Newman (till Stocker returns), and he also focuses on the ground ball, along with Saad Docherty and Williams.

It would be great if Owies and Durdin could run through the midfield too, to share the load, but they have been overlooked either because they aren't versed in that role, or not needed. Our wings and midfield group are providing plenty of defensive support to help the mobile backs Williams Docherty and Saad who do the mopping up.

In round 1 we had 4 mids attending all the centre bounces (Cripps Hewett Cerra Kennedy)
In round 2 we had 4 mids attending all but 2 of the centre bounces (Cripps Hewett Walsh Kennedy)
In round 3 we are likely to have 5 bonafide mids available to attend centre bounces (Cripps Hewett Walsh Kennedy)

The other 2 who attended the centre bounce in round 2 were Fisher and Setterfield (when Walsh was on a wing)

The addition of Martin also adds another who can run through the midfield.

Not sure how Young disables our mobility and Plowman doesn't, and therefore, why give Hawks a height advantage in their forward line?

We will belt them regardless, and I doubt Plowman will be picked for his height or his form.



I too would like to share the load in the midfield group, but it seems the Fab Five are match fit and can almost run all day...and probably want to as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 8:49 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:

6,6,6 probably means that talls are important. 10cm and 10kg is a lot to give away whe trying to defend a quick kick out of the middle


Spot on.

Weiters 194 - Reeves 199
Young 202 - McEvoy 200
Gov 190 - Gunston 193/ Nash 197

Doch - Wingard
Saad - Morrison
Williams - Moore

Gov will have the biggest challenge imo.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:09 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
We need to make room for Cerra and Martin.

The question will be which ONE of the following will miss selection:

Martin ... class player who should be selected as a marking, running option with great forward pressure
LOB ... he didn't play as well as we would want a best 22 player to play. Has the legs to play wing
Setterfield ... no way would Setters be dropped from the wing. He has the legs to play wing. Could put his head over ball more.
Fisher ... his first half was brilliant, and gave a chop out in the centre bounce and midfield group. Cerra addition means Fish needed less as a mid
Owies ... playes the pressure forward position well. 3 great passes to Harry resulted in 2 goals, plus his goal (pinching it from DeKoning)
Newman... played 7th defender. Knows the play and players around him. He is tough at it, but His kicking has been going downhill for a while.

Having watched the game again, this time with unemotional eyes I thought of the above Newman and LOB were the weakest links, but Newman is our 7th defender and he's ahead of Plowman, Williamson, Parks, with only Boyd a threat to take his spot till Stocker returns.

I'd drop LOB to sub, and Walsh and Cerra can continue to wax the wing like Kennedy and Walsh did last week.

McGovern will most likely take Gunston, who kick 3 goals from 7 kicks last week.



I agree but is LOB the best sub as he can only play wing.? I would prefer someone with more flexibility to play a defensive role if needed.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:43 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:

6,6,6 probably means that talls are important. 10cm and 10kg is a lot to give away whe trying to defend a quick kick out of the middle


Spot on.

Weiters 194 - Reeves 199
Young 202 - McEvoy 200
Gov 190 - Gunston 193/ Nash 197

Doch - Wingard
Saad - Morrison
Williams - Moore

Gov will have the biggest challenge imo.


Weiters will play on Lewis who is 198cm

Reeves is 208cm and will ruck most of the day

Also isn’t Wingard out?


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Hope Weiters gets back into form. He has not been his usual self so far. Cant let that Lewis kick a bag on him. That will be so annoying.


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LOB v Martin - Round 1 v Richmond

Martin - Disposals 13, Meters gained 186, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 5, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 84.6%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 3.
LOB - Disposals 13, Meters gained 188, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 61.5%, Clangers 6, Goal assists 2, Tackles 2.

Aside from efficiency/clangers they look pretty much on par, according to stats only.

Round 2 v Western Bulldogs
LOB - Disposals 25, Meters gained 435, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 3, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 76%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 2.

Disposals, Meters gained and Disposal Efficiency had dramatic increases with the obvious Clangers reducing massively with less time on ground also (72% v last week 86%).

As much as most would like to drop him, I'd like to see how he goes this week and if he can keep improving on his Disposal Efficiency, in the 80s would be great.
It's too bad that 1 clanger was at the worst time of the game, it stood out for sure.

The funny part is that Kennedy had the second worst Disposal Efficiency in the team last week at 58.1% with 3 clangers, behind TDK 50% and 2 Clangers.
And Sam Walsh had 9 Clangers in his first game back.

Setterfield could be at risk.
Rd 2 - Disposals 23, Meters gained 211, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 69.6%, Clangers 2, Goal assists 0, Tackles 1 (82% game time).

Either way it's a very different feeling having selection dilemmas.

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carntheblues wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
We need to make room for Cerra and Martin.

The question will be which ONE of the following will miss selection:

Martin ... class player who should be selected as a marking, running option with great forward pressure
LOB ... he didn't play as well as we would want a best 22 player to play. Has the legs to play wing
Setterfield ... no way would Setters be dropped from the wing. He has the legs to play wing. Could put his head over ball more.
Fisher ... his first half was brilliant, and gave a chop out in the centre bounce and midfield group. Cerra addition means Fish needed less as a mid
Owies ... playes the pressure forward position well. 3 great passes to Harry resulted in 2 goals, plus his goal (pinching it from DeKoning)
Newman... played 7th defender. Knows the play and players around him. He is tough at it, but His kicking has been going downhill for a while.

Having watched the game again, this time with unemotional eyes I thought of the above Newman and LOB were the weakest links, but Newman is our 7th defender and he's ahead of Plowman, Williamson, Parks, with only Boyd a threat to take his spot till Stocker returns.

I'd drop LOB to sub, and Walsh and Cerra can continue to wax the wing like Kennedy and Walsh did last week.

McGovern will most likely take Gunston, who kick 3 goals from 7 kicks last week.



I agree but is LOB the best sub as he can only play wing.? I would prefer someone with more flexibility to play a defensive role if needed.


See Crusaders post above. I agree with him of the need for a more Defensive focus on the Sub

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jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
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6,6,6 probably means that talls are important. 10cm and 10kg is a lot to give away whe trying to defend a quick kick out of the middle


Spot on.

Weiters 194 - Reeves 199
Young 202 - McEvoy 200
Gov 190 - Gunston 193/ Nash 197

Doch - Wingard
Saad - Morrison
Williams - Moore

Gov will have the biggest challenge imo.



Weiters will play on Lewis who is 198cm

Reeves is 208cm and will ruck most of the day

Also isn’t Wingard out?


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:thumbsup: Thanks for fixing that up.

Lewis is a big unit.
Ditto McEvoy

Wingard is noted as a Test for this weekend because his hammy injury was found to be minimal, perhaps tightness.
Silly of them to risk him this week.

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Sidefx wrote:
LOB v Martin - Round 1 v Richmond

Martin - Disposals 13, Meters gained 186, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 5, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 84.6%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 3.
LOB - Disposals 13, Meters gained 188, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 61.5%, Clangers 6, Goal assists 2, Tackles 2.

Aside from efficiency/clangers they look pretty much on par, according to stats only.

Round 2 v Western Bulldogs
LOB - Disposals 25, Meters gained 435, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 3, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 76%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 2.

Disposals, Meters gained and Disposal Efficiency had dramatic increases with the obvious Clangers reducing massively with less time on ground also (72% v last week 86%).

As much as most would like to drop him, I'd like to see how he goes this week and if he can keep improving on his Disposal Efficiency, in the 80s would be great.
It's too bad that 1 clanger was at the worst time of the game, it stood out for sure.

The funny part is that Kennedy had the second worst Disposal Efficiency in the team last week at 58.1% with 3 clangers, behind TDK 50% and 2 Clangers.
And Sam Walsh had 9 Clangers in his first game back.

Setterfield could be at risk.
Rd 2 - Disposals 23, Meters gained 211, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 69.6%, Clangers 2, Goal assists 0, Tackles 1 (82% game time).

Either way it's a very different feeling having selection dilemmas.

Go Blues!


The word Dilemma is apt. Huge decisions to make by MC for the short term and long term.

Stocker back too in the VFL will be on the MC's radar too, along with the return of Honey, Carrol and Philp the following week.

Those fresh set of eyes must be getting a good working over.

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bondiblue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
LOB v Martin - Round 1 v Richmond

Martin - Disposals 13, Meters gained 186, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 5, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 84.6%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 3.
LOB - Disposals 13, Meters gained 188, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 1, Disposal Efficiency 61.5%, Clangers 6, Goal assists 2, Tackles 2.

Aside from efficiency/clangers they look pretty much on par, according to stats only.

Round 2 v Western Bulldogs
LOB - Disposals 25, Meters gained 435, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 3, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 76%, Clangers 1, Goal assists 1, Tackles 2.

Disposals, Meters gained and Disposal Efficiency had dramatic increases with the obvious Clangers reducing massively with less time on ground also (72% v last week 86%).

As much as most would like to drop him, I'd like to see how he goes this week and if he can keep improving on his Disposal Efficiency, in the 80s would be great.
It's too bad that 1 clanger was at the worst time of the game, it stood out for sure.

The funny part is that Kennedy had the second worst Disposal Efficiency in the team last week at 58.1% with 3 clangers, behind TDK 50% and 2 Clangers.
And Sam Walsh had 9 Clangers in his first game back.

Setterfield could be at risk.
Rd 2 - Disposals 23, Meters gained 211, Total clearances 1, Contested possessions 6, Goals 0, Disposal Efficiency 69.6%, Clangers 2, Goal assists 0, Tackles 1 (82% game time).

Either way it's a very different feeling having selection dilemmas.

Go Blues!


The word Dilemma is apt. Huge decisions to make by MC for the short term and long term.

Stocker back too in the VFL will be on the MC's radar too, along with the return of Honey, Carrol and Philp the following week.

Those fresh set of eyes must be getting a good working over.

How good is this, real pressure from the two's for spots.
If this continues the coaches are all of a sudden with green pastures and good stock to fill the team week in week out with good opposition match ups.


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I wonder if it might be Cerra, Martin & Plowman in for OMac (inj), Fogarty and Newman?

Setterfield rotating through the backline from the bench (replacing Newman) with Cerra/Walsh rotating wing/middle?

They might pick Young ahead of Plowman, but I have a feeling they will go with Plowman.

Newman or Fogarty as sub.

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