keogh wrote:
bluehammer wrote:
keogh wrote:
Are we getting a clearer picture here fellas
Not of what you would have done, sadly, keogh!
What would you have done this trade and draft period.
I was always going to get to that.
I would rebuild again.
Pick kids rather than trade picks.
Recruit players from the lower leagues who mature later particularly
bigger blokes.
I not entirely against recruiting from other clubs with picks but it has to be at the right time
SOS did more damage than Bolton and Teague combined.
We three top 10 picks he recruited three very average players in Dow, O’Brien and SPS.
He then traded 5 picks for Setterfield and McGovern.
He totally screwed up.
Rather than realise this the club has continued to play catch up ever since by acquiring overrated players in Martin and Williams on massive coin over a combined 11 years plus give away another top 10 pick on a one trick pony in Saad who is on big coin over 5 years.
So the damage has been done.
I would have reset again 3 years ago
So given the list we have for 2022 what would I do if I was Voss
1 make Weitering captain Walsh his deputy.
Cripps is not a captains areshole . To me he doesn’t drive standards hard enough. Too much like one of the boys and Docherty has too much on his plate. Weitering would make a really good captain and Walsh and him would drive the standards better.
2 pick players on effort not reputations. Watching McGovern Williams and Martin running around in the navy blue has been utterly embarrassing. Get fit harden up otherwise @#$%&! off to the reserves
3 give more players more than one role . Look at Saad. On big long term contract can only play in one position and can’t use his right side at all. If you can’t be flexible and play a variety of roles on game day piss off to the reserves
4 try JOS Charlie Curnow Owies Kemp in the mid field give Cripps a 50 50 role deep forward mid
Have 12 players going through the midfield
Have your guns in there when it counts. Be innovative by creating a team who is more flexible than any team before
I hope I have answered your question
I think we are more like Melbourne than you do. But where they have built around their midfield, we have built around our KPPs. That's why they traded to bring in May, Lever and Brown. We have traded to bring in Saad, Williams and now Cerra. I do think we overpaid for Saad but now that he is here, he is still a very good player, albeit at that one role. I'm less concerned about McG and Setterfield not working out. It is v annoying that SPS didn't come on and I'm nervous about Dow. I'd be pleasantly surprised if O'Brien makes it. That's why I think the big wish for me this season is for Dow to get to where he was expected to go when we drafted him. That will go a long way to lifting us as a team.
In terms of your suggestions, all make sense.
Except, I would keep Crippa in the midfield for closer to 75%. I think he thrives on the workload and loses confidence when he goes forward where he has repeatedly failed as a target. I'd give him a bit of time maybe at half forward flank so he can play more as a rover rather than a key target.
I do think the key for Voss will be to get the players to drive high standards; and to make sure the work we do on the track enables those high standards (skills, grunt, mindset...).
And I think that is where his superpowers lie (more so than strategy). I also think this is the rarer quality in a coach.
And whilst I agree that Weitering would be the best captain, I would leave Cripps in place but work with him to improve as a leader (kind of like what you were advocating for us to do with Teague
. He is the most inspirational player on our list; demoting him could well have a deflating effect which diminishes the value of a change; and a simple solution would simply be to relieve Docherty of the captaincy while he deals with more important thing, and have Weitering and Walsh as two VCs, investing them with the responsibility to drive standards.
Our past flawed drafting/trading is not the end of the world. We still have a pretty good list IMO. I think Martin is excellent but not as fit as he needs to be and not as consistent. But I think we can get him there. Same with Williams, whether he ends up as a mid or remains at half-back. And remember, Melbourne stuffed up multiple drafts before this year, incl Scully/Trengove, Hogan, Weideman, Devon Smith, Toumpas and until this year, Angus Brayshaw was a serious question mark. And they gave up Josh Kelly effectively for Salem who is good but not as good. Hawks also stuffed up just as they were building their dynsaty, as did Richmond. And the Bulldogs had a few big hiccups as well.
The Pres/CEO/Coach changes are likely to have a bigger impact than just relying on Cerra.
FWIW, I think McG has 2 more chances: 1) He will be given the opportunity to perform in his preferred forward role. If that doesn't work, I reckon 2) Try him at CHB. If that doesn't work, he is out. But he may turn out to be the long term successor to Jones (Weitering to FB, McG CHB).
It will be really great if Dow can emulate Darcy Parish, Angus Brayshaw (although admittedly Brayshaw had already shown he was up to it before this year...).
And Stocker can go to the next level, ideally as a mid.
And if Kemp and one of the others (Philp, Honey etc...) can prove themselves at AFL standard, we will be in great shape.
Oh, and if Charlie can stay on the park.
PS. I do like the idea of JSOS in the middle - maybe he can play the Jobe Watson role...
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