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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 11:59 am 
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Yep, a good project for Andrew Russell. I'd be happy to see him get an opportunity. He has elite AFL qualities.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:11 pm 
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I am very pleased with what we have done for our list so far in the trade period.

Yes we may have got a good player in the draft with pick 6/8. But surely if we were guaranteed to get a player for that pick in the draft who was good enough to be in the u/22 team 2 years in a row and place 3rd and 5th in an AFL teams B&F we would jump at it. So why not celebrate that we got that type of player in a trade?

I am disappointed that SPS was not successful with us and believe that the the way he was managed contributed to him performing at a lower level than expected when he was drafted. But with the addition of Cerra and Hewett to our midfield stock, SPS was not likely to get regular games as a mid. Getting pick 52 for him was unders, but the trade for Lewis Young filled a greater need in defence for the team than retaining a reserve mid.

Hewett cost us nothing and the reports that we paid too much are laughable. He is being paid marginally better than an average AFL players wage and he is just what we want to add to the midfield along with Cerra.

I was a bit ambivalent about Voss when he was first appointed, but have loved what he has said about his priorities for developing our team. I am confident that he will make a big difference to our mid field players performance.

Am excited about getting to the first test against Richmond in 2022.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:41 pm 
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I was thinking this morning about the opportunity we had over the past few years for Shiel and Coniglio, compared with the deal we have just done for Cerra.

Which would we prefer:
a) Shiel, 3yrs ago for two first round picks? We most likely would not have Stocker or Kemp who we drafted in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Or we might have kept Stocker or someone else from Round 1, but lost Walsh :-)
b) Coniglio, 2yrs ago also two first round picks? We most likely would not have got Saad, and probably not Williams either.
c) Cerra, now for one first and a future 3rd round pick?

Hindsight is great, but I reckon we've somehow ended up with the best of those options.
In retrospect, we probably dodged a bullet certainly with Coniglio and probably also with Shiel. Also, I don't think our list was ready yet.

I'm not sure Cerra is better than either Shiel or Coniglio, although he may turn out to be better. But, much better value for one first rounder.

Thoughts?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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17th Premiership wrote:
I was thinking this morning about the opportunity we had over the past few years for Shiel and Coniglio, compared with the deal we have just done for Cerra.

Which would we prefer:
a) Shiel, 3yrs ago for two first round picks? We most likely would not have Stocker or Kemp who we drafted in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Or we might have kept Stocker or someone else from Round 1, but lost Walsh :-)
b) Coniglio, 2yrs ago also two first round picks? We most likely would not have got Saad, and probably not Williams either.
c) Cerra, now for one first and a future 3rd round pick?

Hindsight is great, but I reckon we've somehow ended up with the best of those options.
In retrospect, we probably dodged a bullet certainly with Coniglio and probably also with Shiel. Also, I don't think our list was ready yet.

I'm not sure Cerra is better than either Shiel or Coniglio, although he may turn out to be better. But, much better value for one first rounder.

Thoughts?


That is an interesting way to look at it.

Basically I am thinking you are saying we would have given up too much to get a Coniglio or a Shiel. That's a fair point. Teams can get really burned if they try too hard to get a player into their team. It can cost a hell of a lot.

There are so many sliding door moments.


I am interested in which midfielder will be the best resting goal kicking forward. Ed Curnow kicked 4 goals in Round 23....With Hewett from the Swans being a lock down midfielder, could Curnow become a solid contributor in some matches on the forward line?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:16 pm 
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I’ll ignore the usual shit you come up with Cazzeman
BV
From 2021 stats(averages for the Dockers) in order of best to not so best
Player Ranking
Mundy
Darcy
Fyfe
Brayshaw
Cerra
Serong
Total clearances
Fyfe
Mundy
Serong
Darcy
Brayshaw
Cerra

Tackles
Brayshaw
Fyfe
Mundy
Cerra ( not sure where the ranking is but not in the top 100 of the AFL

Disposals
Mundy
Fyfe
Cerra
Serong
Ryan
Metres gained
Ryan
Mundy
Cerra
Brayshaw
Serong


So BV that’s pretty good evidence that he is around the 5 th mark
Mundy Fyfe definitely better
I personally reckon in the second half of the season Serong and Brayshaw went passed him
And Darcy is the third best ruck in the comp

At least Cerra is only 22 maybe he was homesick
But tell me boys
Is a guy worth pick 8 and a future third rounder based on those stats

Unless Cripps recaptures his 2019 form Cerra will be asked to be our number two mid.
That’s unless Walsh gets injured
And Cerra won’t get the silver service he got from Darcy with DeKoning who I like but is still developing

At least Cazzeman we can agree on O’Brien since you have bagged the shit of out him all season Mr Positive :razz:


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:25 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I was thinking this morning about the opportunity we had over the past few years for Shiel and Coniglio, compared with the deal we have just done for Cerra.

Which would we prefer:
a) Shiel, 3yrs ago for two first round picks? We most likely would not have Stocker or Kemp who we drafted in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Or we might have kept Stocker or someone else from Round 1, but lost Walsh :-)
b) Coniglio, 2yrs ago also two first round picks? We most likely would not have got Saad, and probably not Williams either.
c) Cerra, now for one first and a future 3rd round pick?

Hindsight is great, but I reckon we've somehow ended up with the best of those options.
In retrospect, we probably dodged a bullet certainly with Coniglio and probably also with Shiel. Also, I don't think our list was ready yet.

I'm not sure Cerra is better than either Shiel or Coniglio, although he may turn out to be better. But, much better value for one first rounder.

Thoughts?

I’ve often wondered if things would have turned out differently for Bolton if we had landed Shiel in 2018. I suspect we would have been more competitive in 2019 and Bolts may have kept his job. But yeah, it would have cost us either Stocker & Kemp or Walsh (depending what deal we made with GWS).

We probably should assess the Cerra trade in about three years, but for now it seems like a fair deal for all parties.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 1:38 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
I admit I have always been a fanboi..............................he just needs a good run at it. I still remember him obliterating teams in the TAC with his strength and speed.


FREEMAN SEARCHES FOR AFL LIFELINE

FORMER top-10 pick Nathan Freeman hasn't given up on receiving another AFL lifeline.

Freeman, 26, nominated for the NAB AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft this season but was overlooked despite significant interest from 2020 premiers Richmond among a host of other clubs.

It came after a blistering VFL campaign with Frankston, where the former Collingwood and St Kilda midfielder averaged 36.7 disposals per game and amassed more than 40 touches in five of his first seven matches.

Freeman is now working at Connors Sports Management alongside leading player agents Paul Connors, Robbie D'Orazio and Nick Gieschen, but hasn't given up on his AFL dream after it was prematurely cut short by persistent hamstring injuries in 2018.

"Prior to this year, in conversations with Paul and Robbie and Nick, I put all of my chips into the management space … and I still am, but after this year with my form and what I still think I can do in the future, I'd be silly not to try and have another crack," Freeman told AFL Exchange on Continental Tyres AFL Trade Radio.

"They're of the same opinion as well. I wouldn't have put myself into the mid-season draft or still harbour those ambitions if I didn't think that I could still have a really good crack for at least the next seven or eight years.

"I'm only 26, so I still harbour those ambitions. I'd go all-in on that, if it was to happen. I see what I can still do, even coming on in leaps and bounds from my 2019 year in the VFL. The main thing was my body and my durability, that's what tipped me out of the AFL system in the first place.

"I've put a body of work together in the last 12 or 24 months where I've been injury-free and I'm really confident in my body. I wouldn't be putting myself out there or putting myself in a situation to hopefully get taken again if I didn't think that I'd be a really valuable asset to any club." – Riley Beveridge


I know list spaces are tight but a possible rookie??????? He still seems to have the blistering pace. If you could get 4 years out of him?

His body isn't battered and busted from the past 4 years in the AFL so he should be a solid 26 not a broken 26. By all accounts his hamstrings are holding up.

Regards Cazzesman


I’m not sure how he can prove to AFL recruiters that he is a more durable player given the low number of VFL games in the past two years. It’s not his fault, but I reckon he needed to demonstrate continuity in his footy to get back in the AFL system. Nobody touched him in the mid season draft and I can’t see that changing unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:07 pm 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/10/08/ ... siness-so/

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:34 pm 
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Looks like we are keeping O-Mac

That makes 39 players with contracts and the max is 42 and we need 3 draft picks/rookie elevations.

34 Main List
5 Rookies (O-Mac, Mirkov, Kennedy, Honey, Owies)

If LOB is to get a spot on the rookie list, he relies on us selecting only 2 draft picks and elevating a rookie.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:51 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I’ll ignore the usual shit you come up with Cazzeman
BV
From 2021 stats(averages for the Dockers) in order of best to not so best
Player Ranking
Mundy
Darcy
Fyfe
Brayshaw
Cerra
Serong
Total clearances
Fyfe
Mundy
Serong
Darcy
Brayshaw
Cerra

Tackles
Brayshaw
Fyfe
Mundy
Cerra ( not sure where the ranking is but not in the top 100 of the AFL

Disposals
Mundy
Fyfe
Cerra
Serong
Ryan
Metres gained
Ryan
Mundy
Cerra
Brayshaw
Serong


So BV that’s pretty good evidence that he is around the 5 th mark
Mundy Fyfe definitely better
I personally reckon in the second half of the season Serong and Brayshaw went passed him
And Darcy is the third best ruck in the comp

At least Cerra is only 22 maybe he was homesick
But tell me boys
Is a guy worth pick 8 and a future third rounder based on those stats

Unless Cripps recaptures his 2019 form Cerra will be asked to be our number two mid.
That’s unless Walsh gets injured
And Cerra won’t get the silver service he got from Darcy with DeKoning who I like but is still developing

At least Cazzeman we can agree on O’Brien since you have bagged the shit of out him all season Mr Positive :razz:



We should've got Mundy.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:52 pm 
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Was wondering what impact may be of both Marchbank and regrettably Doc being presumably on LTI at the start of 2022


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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With our first pick at 25 and having recruited 2 mids and 1 KPD who should we be looking for? Best available or a specific need. If the latter, what need.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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Is Cunners going to be LTI for next year too?

we wont see him back in action until mid year IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:09 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
I was thinking this morning about the opportunity we had over the past few years for Shiel and Coniglio, compared with the deal we have just done for Cerra.

Which would we prefer:
a) Shiel, 3yrs ago for two first round picks? We most likely would not have Stocker or Kemp who we drafted in the 2018 and 2019 drafts. Or we might have kept Stocker or someone else from Round 1, but lost Walsh :-)
b) Coniglio, 2yrs ago also two first round picks? We most likely would not have got Saad, and probably not Williams either.
c) Cerra, now for one first and a future 3rd round pick?

Hindsight is great, but I reckon we've somehow ended up with the best of those options.
In retrospect, we probably dodged a bullet certainly with Coniglio and probably also with Shiel. Also, I don't think our list was ready yet.

I'm not sure Cerra is better than either Shiel or Coniglio, although he may turn out to be better. But, much better value for one first rounder.

Thoughts?


The Coniglio or Shiel will come to us next time. They all want to join a list where they should be the 2nd best midfielder but will be the equal 4th.

Give us a season to show our wares and there will be a queue.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:42 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Looks like we are keeping O-Mac

That makes 39 players with contracts and the max is 42 and we need 3 draft picks/rookie elevations.

34 Main List
5 Rookies (O-Mac, Mirkov, Kennedy, Honey, Owies)

If LOB is to get a spot on the rookie list, he relies on us selecting only 2 draft picks and elevating a rookie.

We have seven gone out and three in, so we should have four vacancies, unless list sizes have changed from 2021 to 2022

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:18 pm 
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I know it is Tom Browne but he said tonight that some Carlton players were asked to take a pay cut so we could fit Cerra into the salary cap.
It was confirmed by barass70 on BF.
Surely this is not true.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:23 pm 
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Does Kennedy need to come out of the rookie list?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:36 pm 
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Agro jr wrote:
keogh wrote:
I’ll ignore the usual shit you come up with Cazzeman
BV
From 2021 stats(averages for the Dockers) in order of best to not so best
Player Ranking
Mundy
Darcy
Fyfe
Brayshaw
Cerra
Serong
Total clearances
Fyfe
Mundy
Serong
Darcy
Brayshaw
Cerra

Tackles
Brayshaw
Fyfe
Mundy
Cerra ( not sure where the ranking is but not in the top 100 of the AFL

Disposals
Mundy
Fyfe
Cerra
Serong
Ryan
Metres gained
Ryan
Mundy
Cerra
Brayshaw
Serong


So BV that’s pretty good evidence that he is around the 5 th mark
Mundy Fyfe definitely better
I personally reckon in the second half of the season Serong and Brayshaw went passed him
And Darcy is the third best ruck in the comp

At least Cerra is only 22 maybe he was homesick
But tell me boys
Is a guy worth pick 8 and a future third rounder based on those stats

Unless Cripps recaptures his 2019 form Cerra will be asked to be our number two mid.
That’s unless Walsh gets injured
And Cerra won’t get the silver service he got from Darcy with DeKoning who I like but is still developing

At least Cazzeman we can agree on O’Brien since you have bagged the shit of out him all season Mr Positive :razz:



We should've got Mundy.


Ha ha
I’m still waiting for BV and Cazzeman to reply


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:43 pm 
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For those interested. Found the article I was looking for. I’d say Kennedy can stay as a rookie, if preferred. The other thing to note is if a player is contracted, they can be moved to the rookie list in between the national and rookie drafts.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/659265/afl- ... or-rookies

List changes aren’t changing. We had 36 + 8 rookies + 1 international last year.

I believe you can do 38 + 6 rookies as well.


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