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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 97
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:18 pm 
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Azza, you sound like you may know who our coach is going to be. How confident are you that we are getting a good experienced coach? And what is the time frame you think?

Media is saying our options are running out, but you know what they are like.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Camel,

Any chance we can divert some of the money from the sponsorship drive and buy Mr Walsh a one way ticket to Europe. His love of the 'Great Game' knows no bounds and with his apparent skill set, he would provide an immediate boost to any statistician team.

Just a thought. :wink:

Win, win for all. :thumbsup:

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I reckon you should take it a bit easier on him CM.

14 is a difficult age for a lot of kids and this year’s been particularly tough for a lot of them.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:58 pm 
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MarcShmurf over on Big Footy has put everyone in a frenzy with his post 'Clarko'. Hmmmmmm


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:09 pm 
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From BF.
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I haven't got news on who our coach will be, but the train has found a new home, which will help with our soft cap.
Expecting a large shifting of assistant coaches and other football department members as teams fight to balance out their spends. North have sacked their entire high performance department.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:14 pm 
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Marc Shmurf wrote:
Clarko :grin:

#Bluemour


Sports bet now has Clarkson at $3.50.

It's getting interesting.


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Drewgirl wrote:
MarcShmurf over on Big Footy has put everyone in a frenzy with his post 'Clarko'. Hmmmmmm

It has been a slow day so this should pump things up a little.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:22 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
MarcShmurf over on Big Footy has put everyone in a frenzy with his post 'Clarko'. Hmmmmmm

It has been a slow day so this should pump things up a little.
:thumbsup:


Yep if nothing else, at least we have some reading to do while on this lockdown. haha.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:26 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
MarcShmurf over on Big Footy has put everyone in a frenzy with his post 'Clarko'. Hmmmmmm

It has been a slow day so this should pump things up a little.
:thumbsup:


Yep if nothing else, at least we have some reading to do while on this lockdown. haha.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:27 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Azza, you sound like you may know who our coach is going to be. How confident are you that we are getting a good experienced coach? And what is the time frame you think?

Media is saying our options are running out, but you know what they are like.

The media are just making up crap as they go , the leppa one was laughable yesterday, when did he become the man !! I would take. Bolton back before letting leppa or Voss(self centred morons) to coach our group
What I know from dictator Dan’s fav transport co .they Are saying Clarko and just finalising the pay out agreements with Mr all about the people Kennett ,

It’s pending unless there is dramatic change , it’s Clarko and plan b and c as sayers puts it , one of the Scott brothers

It will not be a untried senior coach no matter what( that lesson has been learnt after the Teague issue and they have appreciated in hindsight the amount of work bolts put in , too late for humble pie) and 10000000000000% will not be Voss !!

This is definitely a Parkin / barassi moment in our clubs history

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:31 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Azza, you sound like you may know who our coach is going to be. How confident are you that we are getting a good experienced coach? And what is the time frame you think?

Media is saying our options are running out, but you know what they are like.

The media are just making up crap as they go , the leppa one was laughable yesterday, when did he become the man !! I would take. Bolton back before letting leppa or Voss(self centred morons) to coach our group
What I know from dictator Dan’s fav transport co .they Are saying Clarko and just finalising the pay out agreements with Mr all about the people Kennett ,

It’s pending unless there is dramatic change , it’s Clarko and plan b and c as sayers puts it , one of the Scott brothers

It will not be a untried senior coach no matter what( that lesson has been learnt after the Teague issue and they have appreciated in hindsight the amount of work bolts put in , too late for humble pie) and 10000000000000% will not be Voss !!

This is definitely a Parkin / barassi moment in our clubs history


Cool Azza. However if Clarko changes his mind. Chris stays at Geelong and Brad gets AFL job, there will be no choice, there wont be many experienced coaches left. So it may be out of our hands. So fingers crossed.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:36 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Azza, you sound like you may know who our coach is going to be. How confident are you that we are getting a good experienced coach? And what is the time frame you think?

Media is saying our options are running out, but you know what they are like.

The media are just making up crap as they go , the leppa one was laughable yesterday, when did he become the man !! I would take. Bolton back before letting leppa or Voss(self centred morons) to coach our group
What I know from dictator Dan’s fav transport co .they Are saying Clarko and just finalising the pay out agreements with Mr all about the people Kennett ,

It’s pending unless there is dramatic change , it’s Clarko and plan b and c as sayers puts it , one of the Scott brothers

It will not be a untried senior coach no matter what( that lesson has been learnt after the Teague issue and they have appreciated in hindsight the amount of work bolts put in , too late for humble pie) and 10000000000000% will not be Voss !!

This is definitely a Parkin / barassi moment in our clubs history


Cool Azza. However if Clarko changes his mind. Chris stays at Geelong and Brad gets AFL job, there will be no choice, there wont be many experienced coaches left. So it may be out of our hands. So fingers crossed.

The blues have money and no one can refuse this offer ...

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:37 pm 
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And they are prepared to pay soft cap tax ,,, for the coach they want

This is all been budgeted for

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:22 pm 
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I realise I am damaged.
However, I'm not sure I want Clarkson now. Yes, I realise he is the best coach of the modern era. I just think that if he really doesn't want to do it and we are just putting too much money in front of him to refuse... I'm worried about it being a bit like the Blight/Saints or Malthouse/Carlton experience.

If we get Clarkson, I reckon I'm going to be much more cautious than the excitement I initially felt when we appointed Pagan, Malthouse, Bolton or Teague.
(I remember being annoyed when we got rid of Brittain but at least we were replacing him with an amazing, proven coach! When Ratts got turfed, I thought he may have reached his ceiling but had pretty much delivered on the goals we set for him... but at least we were getting a master psychologist in Malthouse to get inside the soft mushy heads of our prima donnas! I was excited for the proper rebuild we were embarking on under Bolton esp that he was setting about restarting our culture. And then when Teague took over I was optimistic about the attacking style as well as his experience as a stand alone coach and varied assistant roles.
But if Clarkson, I'll remain concerned about his desire... until hopefully we start to see the wins racking up :-). Probably a helathier approach anyway...)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:29 pm 
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I realise I am damaged.
However, I'm not sure I want Clarkson now. Yes, I realise he is the best coach of the modern era. I just think that if he really doesn't want to do it and we are just putting too much money in front of him to refuse... I'm worried about it being a bit like the Blight/Saints or Malthouse/Carlton experience.

If we get Clarkson, I reckon I'm going to be much more cautious than the excitement I initially felt when we appointed Pagan, Malthouse, Bolton or Teague.
(I remember being annoyed when we got rid of Brittain but at least we were replacing him with an amazing, proven coach! When Ratts got turfed, I thought he may have reached his ceiling but had pretty much delivered on the goals we set for him... but at least we were getting a master psychologist in Malthouse to get inside the soft mushy heads of our prima donnas! I was excited for the proper rebuild we were embarking on under Bolton esp that he was setting about restarting our culture. And then when Teague took over I was optimistic about the attacking style as well as his experience as a stand alone coach and varied assistant roles.
But if Clarkson, I'll remain concerned about his desire... until hopefully we start to see the wins racking up :-). Probably a helathier approach anyway...)

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:51 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
MarcShmurf over on Big Footy has put everyone in a frenzy with his post 'Clarko'. Hmmmmmm

It has been a slow day so this should pump things up a little.
:thumbsup:


Yep if nothing else, at least we have some reading to do while on this lockdown. haha.


Beginning of the week he was $11


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:49 pm 
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jim wrote:
https://www.zerohanger.com/how-much-difference-will-the-next-blues-coach-make-89831/?fbclid=IwAR1KpDUYWmnZU-8zJDl1oLLN1tlU5sV5YndHpITaJi_t_seyxwmRE4WJ38U


Heard this all before
True
So what happens next year
One thing that will help the coach whoever it is is make Weitering captain and Walsh his deputy
No brainer
Docherty after the shit he has been through needs to just footy
Cripps isn’t captain material
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@bondiblue its not about winning. Ive faced a lot of criticism in the last 10 days for my views. I am simply expressing my frustration at this footy club.

We have form. In malthouses last season, we publically announced a rebuild in round 2. We declared his last season over before it began. We sacked mick 8 weeks later. The boys were lifeless on field.

I saw us repeating that mistake with the review. We declared a year before it was truly over and got wavering performances as the pressure mounted.

Thing is that turmoil would have existed already. We all knew lo giudice was out come end of season, and the rhetoric about Teague going started early when our record was poor 3 and 9 was something that I accepted as possible when we had lost 2 games and looked at the fixture.

Its a pattern that plays out at out club and its defined by our culture. We get into a position and then decide that things aren't working and rather than digging in we allow the pressure to amplify. Im not sure about this modus operandi as it puts people in self preservation mode. All of a sudden getting wins is more important than doing the right thing (Murphy to 300 is seen to be a point of weakness but I think if you look after your players, they will look after you).

Change itself isn't the issue, because there are factors involved that are harder to measure from the outside. So we go looking at things and cling to signs of why someone was moved on, like playing Murphy instead of a kid, or 5 goal run ons.

Leigh matthews came out with a statement when he was coaching Brisbane. Footy is a simple game. First to 100 points wins. Stats show this is true 97% of the time. Its also bullshit because teams don't score 100 points every week anymore, but it s a pressure valve release. Games not over until your opposition scores 100 points.

Anyway, until our club works out that these scenarios are more club defining than we think they are, we won't get further.

Back on topic. Im no Teague apologist. I think he might have done ok, but don't think he had the right amount of time to iron out inconsistencies in his game plan. I mean 10 of his games were about resetting after Bolton left and getting the players in a better headspace to attack games head on, and then we had the covid season which meant that the focus was a bit different and 2020 was marred by uncertainty. In essence covid hit at precisely the wrong time for an immature list and an immature coach. Better teams than ours showed covid cracks more than we did (West Coast being one).

Whats done is done though. Can't change it and I still respect the decision because a new president, potentially new ceo, new football department manager and then a new senior coach means you get people on boarding together and its something that plays out when you get senior leadership changes in almost all walks of life. The quicker it happens the better.

So now that all that has been said, we can get back on topic. Its becoming increasingly apparent to me, that the experienced coach handover to an apprentice in waiting is yielding better results than any other setup (of course that is a dependant on what the senior coach wants to do as mick and clarko didn't work in a forced environment with pressure). Paul roos into a coach in waiting is my preference.

Thing is in about 2 to 3 years when pressure mounts on the back of some undesirable results that's when we get tested to see if we can back our man in despite the downfalls.


Great post. seriously.

We have to wait it out for 3 years and see.

The pressure thing is real.
I don't think the players played as if pressure on their position/ status was a thing.
I think the whole place needed a shake up.

I believe in the list.
The Board had the courage to do the BIG rebuild.
Like coaches may need the extra year or two to tweak their game plan, so does the club.

Now it seems we are lining the ducks off field and on field.

Spotlight on CEO and Football manager. Pressure on to get the best out of them, or get people that are better.

I'm sure the level of urgency for high performance has hit the players where it should: between the ears.

Lets see. We haven't got a crystal ball. But what we do know is what we have, and its a list of a lot of first rounders and few current, ex and potential AA's and an eye for talent to fill gaps this and the next Trade period...that would be desirable for any coach.

Lyon's rejection is an issue with him and our process.
Clarkson wants a break and it sounds like Gil and the AFL Commission is interfering with the market forces. Lets see.

Has any young coach on the rise rejected Carlton? There's still 3 weeks before the season is over.

Lets hope the dominoes start to fall after cats lose this weekend. Fingers crossed.

Thanks for the post. I was beginning to think you may have been a disruptive plant on a high horse not able to see trees for wood.



No worries, I am very much my own man, and I think the how is almost as important (if not more so) than the why these days.

We'll see how this all pans out, but I've run out of belief, I am now waiting and seeing.


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There is some new momentum behind Brad Scott / Carlton.

There is a process, and it doesn’t mean he’ll get it.

But it’s pressing, because the AFL seems all but set to announce Scott at GM of Footy.

It could open the door for Josh Mahoney in that role.

A lot to play out

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:52 pm 
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There is some new momentum behind Brad Scott / Carlton.

There is a process, and it doesn’t mean he’ll get it.

But it’s pressing, because the AFL seems all but set to announce Scott at GM of Footy.

It could open the door for Josh Mahoney in that role.

A lot to play out



Amazing tweet from Tommy.

Brad Scott could go for the Carlton job, but doesnt mean he will get it.
He is certain to get the job at the AFL however or maybe Josh Mahoney will get it.

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