Teague needed more time to get his players.. fish rots from the head. Majority of professional clubs I follow throw development and support on every level but not at Carlton and player development is probably stymied due to clubs culture as board are out of their depth in high performance sport environment. Anyway I think Adam Simpson should be added to the list and see if he is interested coming back to Melbourne now that Leppa officially rejected us.

Teague needed more time to get his players.. fish rots from the head. Majority of professional clubs I follow throw development and support on every level but not at Carlton and player development is probably stymied due to clubs culture as board are out of their depth in high performance sport environment. Anyway I think Adam Simpson should be added to the list and see if he is interested coming back to Melbourne now that Leppa officially rejected us.

I'm now a qualified Sports Scientist and Data Analyst - I can get a job in any European club if I want to

TBH, I kind of get what Thryleon is saying about the 5 goal thing. Momentum is a thing which happens in many games for and against most teams.
The bigger issue, in any event, is how many goals are kicked against us, period.
And how effective our defensive structures are both amongst the actual defenders and also amongst the broader playing group.

The three key things which have intensified the focus on us is:
a) Run-ons against us were identified half way through last season (or even earlier?) and yet not much of a focus on our defensive capabilities seemed to occur over the pre-season. We built momentum during the pre-season games which notoriously are what teams look like without much serious pressure. When the pressure came in the season proper, we did not deliver.
b) Teague saying before the Bulldogs match that defence is not a big deal; we simply need to score more and a shoot-out suits us... raised a few eyebrows. It is true that we nearly (and should have) beat them. But these comments highlighted that our lack of defensive focus was intentional (together with not addressing it in the off-season). It is fair to argue - as Walsh has been doing - that perhaps Teague was developing a new game plan that would work against the tide. However, he ran out of runway. FYI, I think the whole thing could have been different if we'd just beaten the Pies in Rd 2 or held on to beat the Doggies....
c) Commentators and analysts started to identify specifics - eg. lack of an effective grid, lack of defensive support around Weitering and Jones - they were winning their contests most of the time but if they didn't mark it, we were easily exposed. And, Teague did make changes here in the 2nd half of the season with some success but while this showed he could do it, it also reinforced the queries about why he hadn't done it until then....

We need a coach with a good game plan, who can teach/communicate this plan so that the players are v clear on it and their roles. And can impart the necessary disciplines on and off the field. As well as maintain effective communication through the football department and up to the Board. Teague got a bit lost somewhere in there (or possibly more than one spot). He certainly wasn't provided with the required support but then again, it is also part of his role to get/demand that support.

Data analyst you say?
Sounds real to me.

Adam Simpson coaches a team who (in the last 2 years) wave the white flag whenever they leave Perth. No thanks

Walsh dude can you change your name? Or at least your picture.

Our Sammy doesn't deserve this

Doesn't deserve this club you are probably right - Sammy will have his third coach and you are happy about whats happening at the club? You are too easily pleased.

Teague got the absolute best out of him any chance next coach will as well?

Wtf ? … bro really

Ultra defense first.... we got thrashed repeatedly with Bolton coaching. The team couldn't believe they could win under him, and like Teague he too had a fair chunk of talent missing for a longish period of time.

Both had the same structural issue IMHO is that you can't achieve much with 25% list changeover year upon year.

Be it offensive or defensive my point remains cutting hard and long into the list leads to poorer performances.

The 5 goal run ons are crap, and like I said the games can have the same result and the same feel to them even if they weren't happening.

Before this list that we are talking was posted no one knew that Essendon** and st. Kilda suffered from them as much if not more so that we have since Teague took over and this is remarkable when you consider the saints finished 6th last year. Likewise North Melbourne are about 8 games less and finished bottom and second bottom.

My over arching point remains, the run ons are am emotive thing fans are latching onto. Proper fools that have been played. You can blame a lack of system, you can blame a lack of structure, you can even blame covid, but the true answer is that politics has raised its head and we are likely better off having a new ceo with his coach and football dep as recent rather than let what happened to Bolton when we let Trigg go play out again.

Thats more likely the reason.

Pretty much I spent four years as a teen in a youth system in Europe and spent seven year with European club in my mid 20s - mainly in Italy (Serie D + C), Greece (Division B) and Campionnat National in France which is third division. I'm now a qualified Sports Scientist and Data Analyst - I can get a job in any European club if I want to and money spent with these clubs in line with AFL clubs. What I see from the Blues is a complete and utter headtwister. I can't believe these people take themselves seriously

Teague has two AA's and a Coleman medalist in one year under his belt.

You can blame his game plan which I accept but developing youngsters that are high performance personalities and right attitude. He has smashed it out of the ball park.

Weitering was good as gone but won B&F last year people were calling him to be traded in 2019 or have people forgotten? This board was calling H to be traded or have we forgotten?

Stocker, Jack, Kemp, Carrol are coming along nicely. Those that dont have a high performance mindset will never come on and be good players. SO yeah you can say he only focussed on those that are worth focussing on and developed young leaders.

You still miss the point. I'm am raising mindset, and structure and game style on Teague's failure. I wasn't focussing on 5 goal runs ons, but mentioned that they MAY have something to do with it. Its not the focus of my POV.

I stated Bolton's first couple years when he had the players onside when he instilled a defensive mindset, not the last 2 years (4W from 40 games)...that Teague may have levied on some of that defensive mindset he instilled...and may have been the only defensive part of his game...Bolton's defensive side of the game....don't worry about it.

You just focus on the 5 goal theory and leave my thoughts on Teague as a separate reason for Teague's success. I understand your point. Well supported argument...the point everyone else is making re the 5 goals run ons....23 of them in 2 years, starting from his first game as interim coach !!!!

Ratten plays Russian roulette like Teague. You are not the first poster/ commentator to mention the run ons with other teams. Other teams, such as Ratten's Saints and Worsfold's Bombers defensive game was questioned, and all out attack can't work in Finals footy....have been mentioned before: Teague hadn't put enough attention to the defensive side of the game either. Period. The 5 goals thingy was used as evidence of that...call it politics, but its numbers that you need to measure anything. You do know that don't you?

All we are providing is a POV, not dogma.

All I tried to point out was changing the arrangement of scoring means nothing and doing so wouldn't change results.

This seems like a very difficult concept for people on here.

Lombardi is the deadset expert we need to fix our club.
Get him contracted to do video conferencing and get him to set these imbeciles right.
Major point - Culture standards are set by the head coach / footy manager and are driven by the onfield leaders.

Firstly, congratulations.
Personally I don't really rate soccer (not physical enough for me), however I do appreciate that it's an elite sport with a lot of competition and you seem to have done well. And I'm sure you've been exposed to all sorts of coaching and culture and believe in what you have been exposed to regarding that sport.
The part that confuses me is your qualifications.
Being both a scientist and data analyst you should defiantly understand the need to not only back your points with hard data but facts also, something you literally never do.
This makes pretty much everything you say have little to zero value, especially to someone like myself who appreciates some good old fashioned numbers.
And you seem to have no experience in boards or at board level which is clear by your views on our board, yet you keep trying to tell us we need more footballers.

Seeing as though you are looking to get involved with the club at some level, it would be great if you could provide some data and facts to back your opinions so I can take your points a little more seriously. Because the only thing I can agree on with you at the moment, is that we are light in the middle and the "old" board made some bad decisions, like the appointment of Teague in the first place.