Blue Vain wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I cant see the value in Williams. Yes he adds the ra-ra that Goodwin will pull out of the drawer every so often but he is from a past era.
Let's remember he's only been back in the AFL system less than 12 months. 2 years ago he was coaching suburban Ammo's football. And when he was coaching AFL footy, he was a loose cannon. He's a dinosaur that needs to be kept on a very short leash.
As for Worsfold, he's been sacked twice for being too inflexible and lacking tactical awareness. That's the last thing we need.
There's still options out there. I originally wanted Pyke and as far as I know, he's not out of the running. There are also plenty of quality young coaches out there. Go through a proper process, ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, (get the people who know what questions to ask!) and pick our coach based on knowledge.
I don't disagree with the sentiment BV but didn't we go through "a process" with the "right people" when we got Bolton and it turned out "wrong"! How do we get it right this time? Maybe we need a process to select the right people to select the right coach?
I don't think the Bolton appointment was wrong. We sold him up the creek. He was told to play the kids and persist with development under the guise of being supported until we came out the other side. I suspect he was told we'd get mature bodies like Rockliff to help carry the load but none of it eventuated.
IMHO, the losses impacted his mindset and that of the players. Rightly or wrongly we didn't have the strength to see it through and Bolton was sacked.
Personally, I think he was great value. He stuck fat with our objectives when all the pressure was applied and our kids were given every opportunity to prove themselves at AFL level. Sadly when the hard work was done and a circuit breaker was required to take the next step, Bolton was the one to go.
But I don't undervalue his contribution. I think he was a better coach than Teague and he set standards that we will benefit from.
So the process was OK IMHO. It's the lack of experienced personnel to help him to see it through that was his downfall.
I agree BV. I think list management decisions hurt Bolton. We cut the list a little too deep at the end of 2017 and we should have gone harder after a mature mid like Rockcliff or Shiel. The club obviously felt the same way because SOS’s contract was allowed to lapse shortly thereafter.
I have no problem with the process we followed to appoint Bolts, but equally I have no problem with the decision to sack him because we had got ourselves into such a hole by mid 2019 (due, in significant part, to list management and injury issues) that a change had to occur. Teague was an excellent circuit breaker. Over the next 2 years, Teague had his own injury challenges but I think the list was stronger in 2020/2021 than during Bolton’s years because we brought in some experienced players and our draftees of 2015-2017 had matured. Yes, COVID happened but all clubs had to manage that.
The win/loss ratio was better under Teague but the team reminded me of Carlton under Ratten - a talented but flakey team. The Ratten/Teague situations are very comparable actually - ex-players who took over as caretaker and then appointed as the on-going senior coach without a genuinely robust process. Ratten definitely wasn’t ready at the time IMO. Teague had served a longer apprenticeship as an assistant and VFL coach, so he had a better chance to succeed in that sense.
The mistake we made when we sacked Ratten was appointing Malthouse. We’ve sacked Teague and so what happens next is the really vital part.
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