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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:09 pm 
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I don't think Lyon will ever get another coaching gig.

The scrutiny will be the same regardless of who might be interested.. Any club taking him on would want to hear his side of the story on previous incident(s). He might have swept them under the carpet but any prospective employer is going to want to have a look. He isn't Clarko to be pardoned of a process.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:38 pm 
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malbi wrote:
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The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?


So what’s the solution malbi? You’ve said what you think the problem is, now tell us what you think the solution is.

Pick a coach and support them. Don't undermine them like the board did this year.

Other clubs have gone through reviews and supported their coaches. Geelong and Thompson. Richmond and Hardwick. Port Adelaide and Hinkley. Melbourne and Goodwin. Thompson and Hardwick had the ultimate success. Hinkley and Goodwin have their teams humming this year.

Carlton is too reactive. If we don't get immediate success then it is sack the coach and replace him. As it turns out that has not solved the problem.

You said the board made a mistake by picking a coach who wasn’t good enough and now you’re saying they should have stuck by him? If he wasn’t good enough, wouldn’t keeping him have been a case of “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

You said you don’t have confidence in the board to make the right appointment. Fair enough. I asked for your solution to that problem and I don’t see a clear answer to that question in your response.

Are you saying that you are OK with Sayers et al picking the coach as long as they stubbornly stick by their decision, even if the decision is clearly shown to be wrong two years later? Or are you saying you don’t want this board to make the selection? If it’s the latter, do you think the Carlton Now ticket has the expertise, connections and experience to make a better selection?

What I am saying is that the board should stick by their decisions. If they sign up a coach they believe them to be the best coach at the time. If they sign up someone for a three year contract then they should back that coach for three years. Don't undermine a coach a year and a half into their contract. All of the coaches can coach. Some of them are better than others. However, results don't just lie at the feet of the coach. There is recruitment. There is development. There is medical. They all play a part. The thing is that while Sayers was on the board they have sacked four coaches. Was it the coaches fault or the board that didn't have faith in their original decision?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 11:50 pm 
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Nick wrote:
https://www.3aw.com.au/sam-mcclure-with-the-latest-on-the-chaos-at-carlton/

Hard to disagree with most of this.

They are spot on.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:58 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
azzablue wrote:
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2 years ago, Carlton signed up Justin Longmuir as a Senior Assistant to Teague.

Teague and Carlton missed out on this professional and up and coming Coach to help Teague and his Game Plan, who had done his 10 year apprenticeship with Grand finalists, WCE in 2015 and Collingwood in 2018.

Fortunate for Freo, they signed Longmuir as their Head Coach before he started his tenure at Carlton. Freo have done well with a new Coach, with a new plan, and a new set of eyes on how they see the game evolving. Ironically, they replaced with Lyon.

Maybe the Best Coach available is yet to be decided on.

Maybe the Best coach available is one with a great apprenticeship, a new set of eyes and a refreshing view of the evolution of the game.

Craig McRae. No one knew him. Since he was selected as Head Coach yesterday, everyone has heard of him and his deeds and why he is ready to make the step up to Head Coach.

Adam Kingsley
Blake Caracella
Danny Daly
Adam Yze
Scotty Burns.......


Maybe now, if Lyon and Clarko are not handed the job it sparks interest of better qualified ex coaches who want the job, badly"

Don Pyke
Brad Scott
Michael Voss........

If in fact Lyon has pulled out, maybe Lyon knew he would fail in a fair process against a few of the abovementioned prospects.

This is a good thing

Adam Kingsley missed by a bees dick ... there's GOLG out there if we dig for it and do the hard yards.

We have 6 weeks before Trade Period to nail one. Plenty of time!!!

Go get 'em Blues


I do like you what you said, it does make sense , but they won’t be going for an untried afl head coach and it won’t be Voss

Which leaves the Scott brothers , Clarko and bevo ... hmm this just got interesting


Just because sayers said he wanted an experienced coach...he hasn't met or interviewed all the candidates.

This process may be a revelation.

This time is different from selecting a teacher from a successful team to develop a bunch of kids in a total rebuild.


Take it to the bank , it will be a experienced head coach and it won’t be Voss
They will not be going down the bolts and Teague thing again ….

Teague came from wc and crows
Bolts hawks


Yeh but Azza if the media is too be believed the experiences coaches are running out. Buckley, Lyon, Clarkson and Pyke. So who is left? Not sure what is happening with Brad Scott and his AFL position, I would go for him personally.

If there someone we haven’t spoken about?


I take your point and again they fked it with Lyon and how they treated him as only Carlton can …

But top 5 will be. Clarko , scott brothers , Pyle , bevo

Our next coach will come from them is my tip

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:09 am 
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..yanno, I was keen on Lyon..

....now however, he can jam it.. ..he's pretty much admitted that he was going to play media games and pay lip service to the process.. ....was banking on our bad habits and desperation..

..I do not dig.. ....I'd rather just go all out on the best line coaches, and eschew an actual head coach.. ..fuggit, play an all out attacking style.. ..not just front running, though give a select few that license.. ..attacking style at the ball, at the opposition.. ....it's the common denominator of all the great sides.. ....manic pressure and territory..

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 2:04 am 
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At this rate, we’ll be reduced to Dean Laidley or Mick McGuane.

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Have to laugh...haha.



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:21 am 
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malbi wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
malbi wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
malbi wrote:
The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?


So what’s the solution malbi? You’ve said what you think the problem is, now tell us what you think the solution is.

Pick a coach and support them. Don't undermine them like the board did this year.

Other clubs have gone through reviews and supported their coaches. Geelong and Thompson. Richmond and Hardwick. Port Adelaide and Hinkley. Melbourne and Goodwin. Thompson and Hardwick had the ultimate success. Hinkley and Goodwin have their teams humming this year.

Carlton is too reactive. If we don't get immediate success then it is sack the coach and replace him. As it turns out that has not solved the problem.

You said the board made a mistake by picking a coach who wasn’t good enough and now you’re saying they should have stuck by him? If he wasn’t good enough, wouldn’t keeping him have been a case of “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

You said you don’t have confidence in the board to make the right appointment. Fair enough. I asked for your solution to that problem and I don’t see a clear answer to that question in your response.

Are you saying that you are OK with Sayers et al picking the coach as long as they stubbornly stick by their decision, even if the decision is clearly shown to be wrong two years later? Or are you saying you don’t want this board to make the selection? If it’s the latter, do you think the Carlton Now ticket has the expertise, connections and experience to make a better selection?

What I am saying is that the board should stick by their decisions. If they sign up a coach they believe them to be the best coach at the time. If they sign up someone for a three year contract then they should back that coach for three years. Don't undermine a coach a year and a half into their contract. All of the coaches can coach. Some of them are better than others. However, results don't just lie at the feet of the coach. There is recruitment. There is development. There is medical. They all play a part. The thing is that while Sayers was on the board they have sacked four coaches. Was it the coaches fault or the board that didn't have faith in their original decision?

So the club should ignore the findings of the most significant independent review of its football department it has ever undertaken and stick with a coach who is failing? Teague wasn’t sacked on a whim. Like I said earlier “two wrongs don’t make a right” - if the board erred by selecting Teague without running a proper process, then I don’t want them to double down and make another mistake by persisting with a situation that isn’t working.
The key now is to look forward - we need a thorough process to recruit the new coach and then surround him with a structure that will give him the best chance to succeed. That does not guarantee success, so continuous review/performance monitoring is necessary and the board should have the courage to make a change in the future if the arrangements are not working (that doesn’t necessarily mean sack the head coach, but it may if the evidence shows he is an issue).

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:26 am 
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so just a little recap on Drip Lyon. twice goes on national tv sprouting himself as the best option to coach Blues in 2022, while Teague was still contracted in the first instance.

then this verbal diarrhoea issues forth from his pie hole ::

"I reached out to Luke and we connected … I said I just wanted some clarity," Lyon told Channel 9 on Wednesday night about his conversations with Sayers.

"They've put the panel together, but everyone says the word 'process' … there's lots of things that can go into a process. What does it look like? Is it a PowerPoint? Is it question and answer? Is it an interview? What is it?

"Anyone can run a process, it's about your quality of process and what sits within that. I said I just need some clarity and Luke was terrific. He said they were just putting some finishing touches on, which they've clearly done with the panel.

"The other part of that is clearly what the process looks like, because it's just a word. What sits within that, the mechanics and what needs to be delivered? That's what I'm unaware of and when that's put to me … then you sit down.

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"Yeah, I'm interested in the process. But I've got to make sure I fit that process."

ok so i’m taking a wild guess here and guessing that Patty Kinnersley on the appointment committee is too much process for this petal of a flower to fit with. thanks for playing Ross, you’ve done yourself proud, again.


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So, I don’t see him saying anywhere here he’s not interested, rather that he wants to start the process ASAP.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:33 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Collingwood sacked Buckley at the bye round and he still had a year to go on his contract
After 14 weeks of searching for a coach and being knocked back by Pyke Lyon and Clarkson they have appointed McCrae.
Buckley was a 10 year coach

We sacked Teague last week and people are up in arms that we haven't appointed a new coach.


What people need to remember is Clarkson and Lyon were both sacked and the same applies to Brad Scott.
I didn't mind Lyon but If I was head hunting for a coach I would be trying to poach one that is currently employed not one that was sacked and on unemployment benefits


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you are forgetting the fact that Lyon presently has employ as a “property consultant”.

rest my case against him your honour.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:36 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
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Luke Beveridge or Damian Hardwick or BUST.

Walshy if you could get Bevo ...


I'm not on the ticket bro.

But yeah - club has lost it's way past 20 years and the bloke who has been on the board half of that is pulling the strings anoited by a benefactor from the Gold Coast that barely watches a game.

Now these clowns want to take rights away from members from having a say in turn to strengthen their grip on power meaning Mathiesons will forever run the club and anoit whoever he wants to anoit from Gold Coast.

As for senior coaches - the billionaires ahve failed the club they have done well with the finance side of the club but they are clueless beyond comprehension on football club sensitivities and matters.

They are just corporate idiots not ELITE sports people. This club needs a Beveridge.


could we start up a members resolution to not accept money from gambling industry? i think it’s a blight on the entire AFL the way even the match previews with Richo and smartbet are conditioning children that gambling is the only way to enjoy and analyse sport.

if we could outlaw Matheron’s money then we would be rid of the toxic influence and cronyism culture at Blues of a deadbeat (legalised gangster) pokie king pulling the strings from the dark corner of the boardroom.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:39 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
I'd pay Clarkson to engage in the review process, knowing full well we're not appointing him and that the new coach that we do hire eventually gets some shine out of it because we've come out and said that this is the guy we've put our faith in and was the best candidate for the job inclusive of Clarkson.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:49 am 
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Is there a place on the planet that gets sucked in more by the media more than Victoria because if there is I don't know it
Seriously
Report handed down 2 weeks ago
New President 2 weeks ago
Coach sacked 1 week ago
Coaching selection panel named 2 days ago

And people are carrying on why we haven't appointed a coach yet

I don't know if anyone has noticed but the senior coaching role has changed some what over the years . It is no longer move SOS from Full back to full forward
There are a mountain of things that need to be considered - Media presentation , assistant coaches , fitness - dealing with sponsors and players and staff
the list would be huge - they are the engine room of the whole club

Of course the president is going to sound out potential suiters. I wouldn't expect anything less -

We have stuffed these coaching appointments up for the last 20 years - Lets hope the process is followed and we get this on right
It is 50 million plus business they are running here

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:30 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
malbi wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
malbi wrote:
The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?


So what’s the solution malbi? You’ve said what you think the problem is, now tell us what you think the solution is.

Pick a coach and support them. Don't undermine them like the board did this year.

Other clubs have gone through reviews and supported their coaches. Geelong and Thompson. Richmond and Hardwick. Port Adelaide and Hinkley. Melbourne and Goodwin. Thompson and Hardwick had the ultimate success. Hinkley and Goodwin have their teams humming this year.

Carlton is too reactive. If we don't get immediate success then it is sack the coach and replace him. As it turns out that has not solved the problem.

You said the board made a mistake by picking a coach who wasn’t good enough and now you’re saying they should have stuck by him? If he wasn’t good enough, wouldn’t keeping him have been a case of “two wrongs don’t make a right”?

You said you don’t have confidence in the board to make the right appointment. Fair enough. I asked for your solution to that problem and I don’t see a clear answer to that question in your response.

Are you saying that you are OK with Sayers et al picking the coach as long as they stubbornly stick by their decision, even if the decision is clearly shown to be wrong two years later? Or are you saying you don’t want this board to make the selection? If it’s the latter, do you think the Carlton Now ticket has the expertise, connections and experience to make a better selection?

What I am saying is that the board should stick by their decisions. If they sign up a coach they believe them to be the best coach at the time. If they sign up someone for a three year contract then they should back that coach for three years. Don't undermine a coach a year and a half into their contract. All of the coaches can coach. Some of them are better than others. However, results don't just lie at the feet of the coach. There is recruitment. There is development. There is medical. They all play a part. The thing is that while Sayers was on the board they have sacked four coaches. Was it the coaches fault or the board that didn't have faith in their original decision?

So the club should ignore the findings of the most significant independent review of its football department it has ever undertaken and stick with a coach who is failing? Teague wasn’t sacked on a whim. Like I said earlier “two wrongs don’t make a right” - if the board erred by selecting Teague without running a proper process, then I don’t want them to double down and make another mistake by persisting with a situation that isn’t working.
The key now is to look forward - we need a thorough process to recruit the new coach and then surround him with a structure that will give him the best chance to succeed. That does not guarantee success, so continuous review/performance monitoring is necessary and the board should have the courage to make a change in the future if the arrangements are not working (that doesn’t necessarily mean sack the head coach, but it may if the evidence shows he is an issue).[/quote]

The actual finding were the team couldn't defend.. absolute farcical when year 1 was in a hub and didnt have a pre season with facilities and year 2 had VFL for seven games with an injury list miles long all year. Key decisions need to be made but that was a very short sighted and incorrect decision.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:57 am 
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I have a feeling it may not be over with getting Clarkson

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 10:58 am 
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It's a bit of a mess.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:28 am 
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What’s happened
The new sheriff wants Teague gone and wants Clarko as first preference and if not Clarko the arrogant outdated creipo Lyon
Sheriff treats Teague like shit hangs him out to dry whilst Clarko makes up his mind
Clarko decided to have the year off and Ross the toss is going to be the new coach because the sheriff wants a hard experienced man to get the best of the list
The sheriff has no @#$%&! idea with the old messiah approach which hasn’t worked for 20 @#$%&! years
But wait sanity finally prevails
There are some sane people on the board like Patty who say to sheriff that flower won’t be coaching us
So sheriff has to put his dick back in his pants
Now we have a proper process and hopefully the sub committee which includes Patty and a guy who is old but unlike Simba not a creipo and not outdated in Parko to get the best candidate

Of course the moral of this little tale
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:29 am 
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Lyon has nobody to blame other than himself and his FC colleagues. Should have kept his mouth shut.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:32 am 
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keogh wrote:
What’s happened
The new sheriff wants Teague gone and wants Clarko as first preference and if not Clarko the arrogant outdated creipo Lyon
Sheriff treats Teague like shit hangs him out to dry whilst Clarko makes up his mind
Clarko decided to have the year off and Ross the toss is going to be the new coach because the sheriff wants a hard experienced man to get the best of the list
The sheriff has no @#$%&! idea with the old messiah approach which hasn’t worked for 20 @#$%&! years
But wait sanity finally prevails
There are some sane people on the board like Patty who say to sheriff that flower won’t be coaching us
So sheriff has to put his dick back in his pants
Now we have a proper process and hopefully the sub committee which includes Patty and a guy who is old but unlike Simba not a creipo and not outdated in Parko to get the best candidate

Of course the moral of this little tale
Keogh is always right :razz:

Who is your pick Keogh?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:38 am 
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Ask in 5 years time :razz:


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