Who should coach us next year? **Michael Voss**

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8185

azzablue wrote:

bondiblue wrote:

2 years ago, Carlton signed up Justin Longmuir as a Senior Assistant to Teague.

Teague and Carlton missed out on this professional and up and coming Coach to help Teague and his Game Plan, who had done his 10 year apprenticeship with Grand finalists, WCE in 2015 and Collingwood in 2018.

Fortunate for Freo, they signed Longmuir as their Head Coach before he started his tenure at Carlton. Freo have done well with a new Coach, with a new plan, and a new set of eyes on how they see the game evolving. Ironically, they replaced with Lyon.

Maybe the Best Coach available is yet to be decided on.

Maybe the Best coach available is one with a great apprenticeship, a new set of eyes and a refreshing view of the evolution of the game.

Craig McRae. No one knew him. Since he was selected as Head Coach yesterday, everyone has heard of him and his deeds and why he is ready to make the step up to Head Coach.

Adam Kingsley
Blake Caracella
Danny Daly
Adam Yze
Scotty Burns.......

Maybe now, if Lyon and Clarko are not handed the job it sparks interest of better qualified ex coaches who want the job, badly"

Don Pyke
Brad Scott
Michael Voss........

If in fact Lyon has pulled out, maybe Lyon knew he would fail in a fair process against a few of the abovementioned prospects.

This is a good thing

Adam Kingsley missed by a bees dick ... there's GOLG out there if we dig for it and do the hard yards.

We have 6 weeks before Trade Period to nail one. Plenty of time!!!

Go get 'em Blues

I do like you what you said, it does make sense , but they won’t be going for an untried afl head coach and it won’t be Voss

Which leaves the Scott brothers , Clarko and bevo ... hmm this just got interesting

Choices are going to be an untried coach soon unfortunately. So even the greats were untried at some stage. I'm not sure an untried coach is going to put his arse on the line though at Carlton given the history.

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8185

Last time we were this desperate to find a coach was 1978. With George Harris though the board was very competent at least. Out of desperation he called on Jezza to captain-coach after round 6 when we were 1-5. Hopefully that part of history repeats.

BluesRockMyWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1331

Blue Vain wrote:

We're quite possibly waiting on coaches participating in the finals before proceeding (including assistant coaches)
Therefore the timeframe of around 6 weeks fits perfectly. It also justifies the calling of the review mid season IMHO. Make a decision on the senior coach and alert prospective coaches that we're in the market and to make themselves available immediately after the season concludes.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'sack the board", "we're a rabble" crowd.

Absolutely 100000000% spot on!.

FWIW the fact Sayers has made it clear we are going to interview and have a PROPER process regardless of the media spin of having promised Clarkson and then Lyon the job without consideration of other candidates and without an actual interview process is music to my ears. As that appears too much effort for Lyon then he clearly isn't focused and does not have the necessary drive and passion to make our club a success (as should be a minimum requirement), so he can GAGF!!

jezzarules · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm **Posts:** 5875

jim wrote:

Last time we were this desperate to find a coach was 1978. With George Harris though the board was very competent at least. Out of desperation he called on Jezza to captain-coach after round 6 when we were 1-5. Hopefully that part of history repeats.

I'm sure the 1-5 bit will

camel · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:27 pm

The_Cranium wrote:

camel wrote:

The_Cranium wrote:

camel wrote:

How about: Thank @#$%&! we don't have to watch that defensive and boring shite that Lyon coaches?

I dunno... a coach that gets his clubs to grand finals I'd rarely boring

Equally, when did "3 time losing grand final coach" become a must-have attribute?

Yeah, he was a bounce of the ball away from being premiership coach. My point is he gets the best out of a group and having a team challenging for finals and grand finals isn't what I'd call boring.

AFL is a business of winning games of football not being entertaining losers. I know what is rather

Yeah, of course, coming from where we are, I get it, just the act of getting to a GF is very attractive, and a long way off.

But you said it yourself: "AFL is a business of winning games of football not being entertaining losers."

So what's the attraction of a dude that's coached three grand finals and lost three grand finals? How many times do we need to see he's good at getting to the one game that really counts but keeps failing?

And then how do you define entertaining losers?

For example, would that be Geelong? They've made the finals pretty much every year under Chris Scott and have one flag from 10-years ago to show for it. Nothing to sneeze at sure, and way better than our past 10 years obviously, but where's does your line about winning games of football stop? At 8th place? 4th place? Or losing 3 grand finals?

Surely we want to *win* grand finals, otherwise isn't that just being an entertaining loser?

CK95 · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:28 pm

Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Are we taking a chance again by possibly not getting the selection panel right.

Appears that way to me

camel · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:31 pm

Navy Blue Horse wrote:

Wishful thinking...Ross got wind that Clarko is back in the hunt and pulled the pin

Time will tell if this is on the money, but I do think there's an element of letting the dust settle a bit here and not falling for the media's clickbait overdramatised commentary.

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Has anyone dissected the coaching selection panel?

David Parkin - retired as a player in 1974; retired as a coach in 2000.
Diesel Williams - retired as a player 1997; never coached.
Tim Lincoln - On his business website: Outside of business life Tim loves: family time, marathon running, competing in Ironman events, tennis, golf, boating, gardening and the mighty Carlton Football Club.
Patty Kinnersly - On the CFC website: Alongside an extensive corporate career, Kinnersly has 14 years of playing experience in the VWFL for the Ballarat Lions, Fairfield Falcons and Parkside Magpies, playing in five premierships and representing Victoria on 10 occasions, twice as captain.
Cain Liddle - Played for the Cats 1994, 4 games delisted. 8 seasons assistant TAC coach. Current CEO for CFC.
Brad Lloyd - Played for Hawks 1998-99, 11 games delisted. Currently Head of Football, CFC.

Does this seem light on for

- recent playing trends.
- General coaching expertise. Recent coaching trends
- thoughts from outside the CFC.

Are we taking a chance again by possibly not getting the selection panel right.

Time will tell, but I was disappointed that we didn’t get an ex-AFL coach from another club who has been out of the game no more than 5-10 years instead of Parko. No disrespect to Parko, I just think the panel composition needs a contemporary ex-AFL coach. Nathan Buckley, for example, would have been a great addition to the panel.

jezzarules · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:09 pm **Posts:** 5875

aboynamedsue wrote:

Teddy Hopkins wrote:

Has anyone dissected the coaching selection panel?

David Parkin - retired as a player in 1974; retired as a coach in 2000.
Diesel Williams - retired as a player 1997; never coached.
Tim Lincoln - On his business website: Outside of business life Tim loves: family time, marathon running, competing in Ironman events, tennis, golf, boating, gardening and the mighty Carlton Football Club.
Patty Kinnersly - On the CFC website: Alongside an extensive corporate career, Kinnersly has 14 years of playing experience in the VWFL for the Ballarat Lions, Fairfield Falcons and Parkside Magpies, playing in five premierships and representing Victoria on 10 occasions, twice as captain.
Cain Liddle - Played for the Cats 1994, 4 games delisted. 8 seasons assistant TAC coach. Current CEO for CFC.
Brad Lloyd - Played for Hawks 1998-99, 11 games delisted. Currently Head of Football, CFC.

Does this seem light on for

- recent playing trends.
- General coaching expertise. Recent coaching trends
- thoughts from outside the CFC.

Are we taking a chance again by possibly not getting the selection panel right.

Time will tell, but I was disappointed that we didn’t get an ex-AFL coach from another club who has been out of the game no more than 5-10 years instead of Parko. No disrespect to Parko, I just think the panel composition needs a contemporary ex-AFL coach. Nathan Buckley, for example, would have been a great addition to the panel.

Buckley and probably others comparable are on our radar for roles.

malbi · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:51 pm

aboynamedsue wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

I'll wait to see the ultimate result of all this before deciding whether or not its a shit-show. I won't be dictated to by these hacks and their Carlton-translators.

This. And the “ultimate result” probably can’t be called until this time next year.

This time yesterday, I was moving towards “the process is a sham, Lyon is going to be appointed and the selection panel is just for show”….but that theory has been shot down today (assuming the report that Lyon has been put off by the depth of the process is correct).

The moral of the story - we have NFI what’s going to happen and should hold off calling Sayers a genius or a dud until we’ve seen our team play a season under whoever his board appoints.

If we play shit footy in 2022 I will join the pitchfork brigade.

If we improve in 2022 I’ll be praising Sayers and his team.

This appointment is a massive moment either way for our club.

The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?

aboynamedsue · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:09 pm **Posts:** 6047

malbi wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

I'll wait to see the ultimate result of all this before deciding whether or not its a shit-show. I won't be dictated to by these hacks and their Carlton-translators.

This. And the “ultimate result” probably can’t be called until this time next year.

This time yesterday, I was moving towards “the process is a sham, Lyon is going to be appointed and the selection panel is just for show”….but that theory has been shot down today (assuming the report that Lyon has been put off by the depth of the process is correct).

The moral of the story - we have NFI what’s going to happen and should hold off calling Sayers a genius or a dud until we’ve seen our team play a season under whoever his board appoints.

If we play shit footy in 2022 I will join the pitchfork brigade.

If we improve in 2022 I’ll be praising Sayers and his team.

This appointment is a massive moment either way for our club.

The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?

So what’s the solution malbi? You’ve said what you think the problem is, now tell us what you think the solution is.

Paddycripps · **Joined:** Mon Jun 01, 2015 5:55 pm **Posts:** 4435

Didn't Sayers say Experienced?

Clarko out.
Lyon out.

Is Parko going to coach us?

Probably Clarko. It'd be so Carlton.

Scotty12000 · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:19 pm

Paddycripps wrote:

Didn't Sayers say Experienced?

Clarko out.
Lyon out.

Is Parko going to coach us?

Probably Clarko. It'd be so Carlton.

I rewatched the presser - when he was asked (19:40 mark), Sayers said, "We will explore all options...experienced as a head coach, and also maybe not experienced as a head coach," meaning it could be someone highly experienced as an assistant who they're confident can transition to senior coach. Either way the term experienced is not necessarily localised to a head coach - Chris Fagan wasn't experienced as a head coach for example, but certainly still had experience.

malbi · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:21 pm

aboynamedsue wrote:

malbi wrote:

aboynamedsue wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

I'll wait to see the ultimate result of all this before deciding whether or not its a shit-show. I won't be dictated to by these hacks and their Carlton-translators.

This. And the “ultimate result” probably can’t be called until this time next year.

This time yesterday, I was moving towards “the process is a sham, Lyon is going to be appointed and the selection panel is just for show”….but that theory has been shot down today (assuming the report that Lyon has been put off by the depth of the process is correct).

The moral of the story - we have NFI what’s going to happen and should hold off calling Sayers a genius or a dud until we’ve seen our team play a season under whoever his board appoints.

If we play shit footy in 2022 I will join the pitchfork brigade.

If we improve in 2022 I’ll be praising Sayers and his team.

This appointment is a massive moment either way for our club.

The problem is that Sayers has been on the board for nine years. He has been part of this coaching merry-go-around several times. Why do we have the same people making the same mistakes every single time? We pick a coach and then sack them before their contract is up? Maybe the coach wasn't good enough? Then why the $%^@@* did the board select them in the first place?

So what’s the solution malbi? You’ve said what you think the problem is, now tell us what you think the solution is.

Pick a coach and support them. Don't undermine them like the board did this year.

Other clubs have gone through reviews and supported their coaches. Geelong and Thompson. Richmond and Hardwick. Port Adelaide and Hinkley. Melbourne and Goodwin. Thompson and Hardwick had the ultimate success. Hinkley and Goodwin have their teams humming this year.

Carlton is too reactive. If we don't get immediate success then it is sack the coach and replace him. As it turns out that has not solved the problem.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:24 pm

malbi wrote:

I told you the board was the problem. They are a joke. No one wants to coach us.

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That's terrible news.
We are going to be coachless in 2022.

Who told you that?

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:33 pm

Walsh wrote:

So the process was throwing trillions at Clarkson then ask him to go through a process? This board is funny.

The sooner sports/football people dominate the board the better.

You're making up stories again Walshy.

Lets stick to the facts.

We are all on the same side. We have to get better and stop throwing shit at the club.
This is an important period of Carlton's history...not the nuff nuffs at Carlton Now...they aren't going to get a sniff because they lack substance and there's bigger fish to fry over the next few weeks...you said it yourself.

Lets stick together.
Come on Come on
Lets stick together.

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

Luke Sayers told reporters Carlton wanted “the best, most experienced coach”

Where is he hiding now Luke?

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

bondiblue wrote:

Walsh wrote:

So the process was throwing trillions at Clarkson then ask him to go through a process? This board is funny.

The sooner sports/football people dominate the board the better.

You're making up stories again Walshy.

Lets stick to the facts.

We are all on the same side. We have to get better and stop throwing shit at the club.
This is an important period of Carlton's history...not the nuff nuffs at Carlton Now...they aren't going to get a sniff because they lack substance and there's bigger fish to fry over the next few weeks...you said it yourself.

Lets stick together.
Come on Come on
Lets stick together.

I'm sorry but can't bring myself to come together with a board that has made so many f^% ups and caused so much disharmony to the point of unsettling staff and the playing group.

I want to see an ELITE High Performance club - not a mug from the corporate world running it like a corporation.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10488

The Liddle and Lloyd show strikes again.
Very disappointed in Sayers. Thought he was stronger and better than this.
We will not progress as a club as long as dumb and dumber are there.
Very embarrassing situation now.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:37 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

We're quite possibly waiting on coaches participating in the finals before proceeding (including assistant coaches)
Therefore the timeframe of around 6 weeks fits perfectly. It also justifies the calling of the review mid season IMHO. Make a decision on the senior coach and alert prospective coaches that we're in the market and to make themselves available immediately after the season concludes.

Sorry if that doesn't fit the 'sack the board", "we're a rabble" crowd.

Timing seems to be right then.

Trade period late October.....suits us perfect.

Now which team in the Finals do we want to destabilise...... :grin:

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