Who should coach us next year? **Michael Voss**

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2742

I am glad we have done the review.
I am pretty sure the detail is a lot more robust than the equivocal summary points released.
I feel like we are making significant moves to address significant deficiencies that stretch right from the Board down to the players, incl admin and football department. Surely, this is what we were all looking for?

I have zero confidence that a completely new Board will be any good at all, let alone better.

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:12 pm

Bookie wrote:

Funny looking back at Ross Lyon on development of our list mid season : (apologies if copyright etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

He certainly learnt the trait of not finishing his…

…from Roosy.

But a decent clip, thanks.

Also, go easy on the make up please Channel 9, Lloyd and Cornes looked like they came from a wax museum!

london blue · **Joined:** Wed Mar 09, 2005 3:08 pm **Posts:** 3248

Sidefx wrote:

Interesting, not sure why he has been asked.
Healy loves to stick the boot in but can't put up when he's asked to.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/673159/sorry-blues-brownlow-great-won-t-help-carlton-pick-its-new-coach

Been asked because he’s respected by diesel as one of his best mates. Regular golf buddy

camel · **Posted:** Tue Aug 31, 2021 5:18 pm

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

It's easy to look at that and get startled by the bright lights of discontent.

But maybe, as others have said, take a step back and try and work out what's worth worrying about and what's actually a positive from some of the unrest.

I def think the "culturally, the place is a bit of a mess" comment is one that needs addressing. If nothing else talk of Cook and Lyon (as loathe as I am to admit it) would be types that you'd expect could successfully address culture issues. And, even if we don't land either of those two, by targeting them that tells me that Sayers, or perhaps the board more broadly, recognises that the culture needs a tune up and they're actually prepared to do something about it.

I suspect the real meat of the review is in the stuff that we didn't see. Presumably there'd be a few recommendations, even if they're quite broad, which we've not been privy to at this stage.

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

A key employee gets sacked once every two years and that doesn't include the senior coach.

We are stuck in a quagmire of sackings and under performance. This is our culture the board has created past 10 years.

The only issue we really have is Bruce Mathison pulling the strings behind the scenes anoiting his favourites MLG and now Sayers. This is Bruce Mathison's club.

I have met Bruce on few occassions and had lengthy chats with him about the club over past few years when he was on the board at Mayne Pharma. The man has a huge heart and most wonderful of people. But the time has come for him to step aside - it's not working.

We don't need benefactors - we need smart people, well connected people but they need to be fresh that has no connection to the incumbents - or we are not going anywhere. Cook is 65 years old and hit preservation age - why on earth would you go for someone like that?. Smells of desperation.

bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1621

Hmm, so Bruce not a smart person, some people are just lucky, becoming a billionaire

bmaurizio · **Joined:** Thu May 05, 2005 10:49 am **Posts:** 1621

Bruce & family , Dick, Jean & family have supported the club continuously and magnanimously.
Let’s show some due respect.

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Firstly welcome (as long as your'e not Walsh's burner account). :grin:

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Even more reason to get a "hard bastard" in. The players may have loved Teague the person, they played like they had NFI about Teague the coach. If they don't like it, they can rot away their contracts, their careers, their childhood dreams and their future prospects in the ressies
Enough is enough is enough is enough is enough

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Walsh wrote:

Our club is a mess - need things to turn quickly before pre season starts.

They will...Teague is now gone

bondiblue · **Posted:** Tue Aug 31, 2021 9:25 pm

I wonder if Mark Maclure is invited by Diesel to join the sub committee for the coach?

Just asking.

thryleon · **Joined:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:14 pm **Posts:** 362

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

Drewgirl · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:57 pm **Posts:** 4747

thryleon wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

The players that Malthouse lost in Betts, Waite, Robinson and Garlett went because we let them go and wanted them to go, not because they left.

Secondary the players did not play for Teague, otherwise we wouldn’t have been slaughtered by shit teams like North and Gold Coast. We were smashed by a reserves grade West Coast team. And Collingwood who hadn’t won a game. Need I go on?

Change needed to be made, get over it……..

Walsh · **Joined:** Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:55 pm **Posts:** 2333

bmaurizio wrote:

Bruce & family , Dick, Jean & family have supported the club continuously and magnanimously.
Let’s show some due respect.

Works both ways they should show respect to their members and not change the constitution so they can have more grip on power and have the decency and nouse to know when to step aside

thryleon · **Joined:** Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:14 pm **Posts:** 362

Drewgirl wrote:

thryleon wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

The players that Malthouse lost in Betts, Waite, Robinson and Garlett went because we let them go and wanted them to go, not because they left.

Secondary the players did not play for Teague, otherwise we wouldn’t have been slaughtered by shit teams like North and Gold Coast. We were smashed by a reserves grade West Coast team. And Collingwood who hadn’t won a game. Need I go on?

Change needed to be made, get over it……..

I disagree.

Most of those guys were already jack of Mick, and wanted to go which is why they were acting up and doing what they pleased.

As far as this season, you know, that West Coast game, our Coleman medalist was off with concussion with 23% game time right and that we lost by less than 4 goals in the end?

You know what, I don't care to argue with you. I CBF. I know what I saw this season, and I saw our club derail the Teague train and I remember being dissapointed in not beating Collingwood, but that day I remember thinking that we looked like we had a few players still working out what they were doing this season. Maybe you are right, and I am wrong, but I reckon you might want to have another look at what transpired on some of these games, what our line up looked like, and whether or not we had a fit list in fine form vs the others. Id love to know how a coach forumlates a game plan and culture around a bunch of blokes who lived in a covid bubble and played no reserves footy last season (stocker went MIA, and didnt play at all last season, and here he was this year in the best 22 for most of the season).

Still, what do I know, I am drawing on my amos experience. Where your forge as much club culture at revolver as you do on the pitch. Come to think of it, the blokes werent doing much of that last year either...

Bluey44 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 31, 2021 11:28 pm

Let's bring teague back, shall we?
Just say it was all an honest mistake we thought we were getting clarko :grin:

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17959

thryleon wrote:

Drewgirl wrote:

thryleon wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

The players that Malthouse lost in Betts, Waite, Robinson and Garlett went because we let them go and wanted them to go, not because they left.

Secondary the players did not play for Teague, otherwise we wouldn’t have been slaughtered by shit teams like North and Gold Coast. We were smashed by a reserves grade West Coast team. And Collingwood who hadn’t won a game. Need I go on?

Change needed to be made, get over it……..

I disagree.

Most of those guys were already jack of Mick, and wanted to go which is why they were acting up and doing what they pleased.

More unfounded supposition. :roll:

It's amazing how we've recruited such well informed and prolific posters since the board agitators started to pop their heads up.
Teague derailed himself with his lack of defensive system and accountability. The club didn't make him a poor defensive coach. he did it with his actions and his inability to address it. As Drewgirl succinctly said, 'Change needed to be made, get over it…….'

bondiblue · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:48 am

thryleon wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

I like this post.

Can relate to it.

Once bitten twice shy: fair enough.

Hope we got the right man to lead us to glory this time: Sayers. Just sayerin'

Sacking a coach in Teague with all the obvious shortfalls is a good start.

kezza · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 6:11 pm **Posts:** 14940

Bluey44 wrote:

Let's bring teague back, shall we?
Just say it was all an honest mistake we thought we were getting clarko :grin:

sinbagger · **Posted:** Wed Sep 01, 2021 9:26 am

thryleon wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Spidaman wrote:

I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Just quietly, this is exactly what happened when we hired Malthouse.

I stupidly bought into the coach needs to do it, and if the players dont like it they can F off.

Then the players F** off, and we were left with an uncompetitive mess of a team, whilst the coach was being outcoached by the new generation coaches who could pick apart his game plan blindfolded.

I think you sell the players short, they were genuinely playing for their coach, the JSOS to the ruck was a sign of just how short on players we were running by the end of the season.

We were the most competitive we have been in years over Teagues tenure. The north melbourne game was the first time I saw us uncompetitive, and with the sword of damocles hanging over the club, its no surprise that the wheels eventually fell off the Teague train.

Those sorts of scenarios are the ones that test what our club is made of and thus far, we are batting at 0-4 out of the last 4 coaches who didnt have a genuine reason (read the sanctions by the AFL for Pagan) for being as far behind as we were.

In the past I've gotten into a few to and fros with people over stuff with other posters, and I am not interested in getting into it again now, because I just have reached a point where I sort of dont care anymore (thanks to the way we run as a footy club).

I've gone from believing in what they are doing over the years, to believing it when I see some results, and I wont really be excited by any move we make, because I expect the next coach to be sacked in 3 years, with much of the playing list off sided in the process, because we have disunity and sooner or later, we are going to have to cut a few players loose who arent buying in, and that will include some genuine talent that we cant afford to lose (as it did last time).

Good post.

I think “some” players were busting a gut such as JSOS, Ed and others, but there was a big group who weren’t. A big group that Teague couldn’t motivate, for whatever reason. That’s why he’s gone.

I would have preferred Teague to have one more season, with healthy list and a full set of assistant coaches to support him, but it’s too late now.

Lyon may crash and burn like MM, but Teague’s approach didn’t work either.

Honestly I think it’s all about serendipity, you need the right coach, with the right list, with the right admin, at the right time. Changing coaches isn’t the solution, changing players isn’t the solution. The solution is getting all the right ingredients at the right time. This is why so many get it wrong so many times.

Sidefx · **Joined:** Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:55 pm **Posts:** 6363

london blue wrote:

Sidefx wrote:

Interesting, not sure why he has been asked.
Healy loves to stick the boot in but can't put up when he's asked to.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/673159/sorry-blues-brownlow-great-won-t-help-carlton-pick-its-new-coach

Been asked because he’s respected by diesel as one of his best mates. Regular golf buddy

Yet in the media he loves to trash the club. I still think it was a strange person to be approached.
And if he did say yes, he'd probably have nothing to talk about for his job, hence the conflict of interest I guess.
Odd.

Who should coach us next year? Michael Voss

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