I come in peace and am a passionate carlton supporter like most of you that has suffered for a long long time. Just want this club to get back to being successful. This is some insight from a very close relation to a current player. Here is some of what I know from a players perspective:

- Discontent amongst the playing group of what has transpired this week particularly, is real
- Many of the players are close to Teague and didn’t want him to go. There are a couple of players that didn’t always see eye to eye but that happens at any club
-One former player and a couple of current players are currently not on good terms with the rest of the playing group. There is a small divide.
- Generally the players feel let down by the club for lack of support to themselves and Teague. Some of the new recruits couldn’t believe the lack of support around the coach and lack of development staff in comparison to where they came from.
- Teague went to the club to get more support in the box towards the end of last year but was denied and given the explanation that due to the current environment (COVID) restricted funds were available. He was left without a senior assistant once Barker left which didn’t sit well. The Worsfold thing was a gimmick, timed with the review for a bit of backside covering
- Players don’t have a good relationship with Liddle, they think he thinks he is above them and is extremely arrogant. The SOS situation did not go down well particularly as his son is one of the most loved amongst the playing group, and his own treatment from said exec has been appalling
- Many are worried about the pending decisions and uncertainty surrounding the club. The big thing and why I posted in this thread is, majority of the players don’t want Lyon, they feel that their games wont flourish under his game style. But they feel their opinions will not be heard.
- The coaching appointment will be a big decision point for many (I’m talking some of the bigger names). The next few weeks will be interesting leading into trade week.
- Culturally the place is a bit of a mess

Choose to take it all as you will. Over and out!

Nice article. I consider the article grist to the mill TBH.

I like the fact he's speaking from experience.
There are a lot of "Ifs" but that applies to every coach. Only takes one mistake for a coach to fail to bond a group despite all the qualities they bring to the group. See Pyke.

I like what I'm hearing from all the players who played under Lyon including Langdon.

The incident at Freo was settled and really trivial from what I understand, and should not have any bearing why we do or don't take Lyon as Head Coach. He started his coaching career at Carlton, like Worsfold, so he's seen carlton in the bad times.

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Funny looking back at Ross Lyon on development of our list mid season : (apologies if copyright etc.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMI8KjlcTmw

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Firstly welcome (as long as your'e not Walsh's burner account).
Based on this and if it is true (sorry but I'm sceptical), I hope we get Lyon.
And if they don't like it, move them along as it's clearly what we need. A coach who expects results.
And if the playing group loved Teague so much, they have a funny way of showing it with half ass performances at an individual level across the team.
This post possibly confirms the culture of the tail wagging the dog, time for a change and bring in the heavy weights to do it.

Thanks for the info. However if the poor players are so upset, they should have played for their coach. Sick of the poor players being upset with the coach, with the CEO. They just need to stop sooking and play hard football. For themselves, the club and the supporters. They complain about every coach. Now they dont want Lyon.? Why? Do they know him?

I am sick of these players playing conditionally. Whoever does not support the new coach and the management of the club can GO.

Nothing is working so maybe some tough love instead of friendly friend relationships will work better.

i dont like Lyon either, but if its him they need to play for if not for him for their careers. its their job. I hate my bosses at work as well, but I still perform my hardest as I get paid.

Welcome aboard Spidaman.

Appreciate your insight. Love to hear of your passion for the club. We are rusted on tragics as you can read.

I don't find the feedback you share surprising TBH.

Its a rough time, but this is where the club needs to put its arms around the players.

A small divide...a couple players...that's not a big deal for mine,; there's always a couple unhappy campers.

Whoever is our next coach, they have a preseason and a season ahead of them to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy.

I don't expect Liddle to last too much longer TBH, and if what you say is true, about Jack, all the more reason to replace him with...the best available....Cook?? I can imagine how awkward it would have been for Liddle let alone Jack when Silvagni was not re contracted, and the excuses given.

Have to be mindful that the majority of players on our list were recruited by SOS, so I can understand the resentment. Then they lose Teague who they were close to. from the outside, the players didn't look like they were playing for Teague, or they couldn't play under his game plan, so the decision to part is the right decision, and maybe they feel a bit of guilt for their part.

The President hasn't been silly enough to get rid of Liddle whilst there's a lot of stuff to implement from the Review, ironically neglected under Liddle's watch. Keeping Lloyd and Austin onboard is also a smart thing for this upcoming Trade and draft period.

Covid is either an excuse or a reason. Sounds like the players need some reasoning and reassurance. This is non negotiable. As for support for Teague, Maclure said the other night on 360 that Teague was a bit stubborn about wanting to do things his way, and can only assume Teague wasn't interested in any feedback he was getting or hearing. asking for support in the 112th hour when the season was shot, well, he made his own bed imo. Who really knows? Probably not even the players.

The players who have come recently from other clubs are Williams, Saad, Fogarty and Martin. Before them it was Setterfield and McGovern. I hope we spend more than the soft cap fixing the player development and player support side of the business.

Its time to give them all a cuddle.

Once again, thanks Spida, and don't be a stranger to TC.

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Interesting, not sure why he has been asked.
Healy loves to stick the boot in but can't put up when he's asked to.

https://www.afl.com.au/news/673159/sorry-blues-brownlow-great-won-t-help-carlton-pick-its-new-coach

Not many people like their bosses drewgirl.

You obviously take pride in your work and repay your employer well for their payments.

That's what its all about. Professional Players need to have a Professional Player's Attitude...and remember they are playing for our precious jumper FFS, and the Members are paying them with our hard earned to give them a job of a lifetime.

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I am going for Ross Lyon - he still has the passion & he has a Carlton connection.

I am not sure Clarkson has the required level of passion-he has scaled the mountain already and would have been worn out by his confrontations with Jeff Kennett.
Does he have any passion for Carlton? And why?
What motivates him?
Is he HIGHLY motivated to get that fifth flag? Why?

I get the impression Clarko despises Carlton. The sheer fact he went to so much effort to ensure Fevola didn't get to his 100 goals- some people applaud that, but was there more vinegar to that decision? Does he have a level of bitterness about Carlton?

I always thought that was just competitiveness to the nth degree. Didn't think it was anti Carlton specifically.

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I'd bet the discontented former player has initials MM

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Our club is a mess - need things to turn quickly before pre season starts.

Really interesting points.

Lyon had a mentor at St Kilda and Freo, who would sit with Lyon match day and give lyon w written report Monday mornings re words used and to be avoided etc. but questioned the value of Worsfold mentoring from a distance/zoom.

Lyon also said Teague should coach his way and live and die by that.

Lyon mentioned the role the Chairman of selectors plays and gave an example how LRT got played.

Lyon mentioned the playing LOB ahead of Newnes, questioned Setterfield on a wing when he's an inside mid, questioned the value pf Murphy and Betts and effect they had on kids developing...also had 2 question marks on Dow and SPS.

I can see Dow and SPS being worried about their spots if Lyon was to coach, based on that vision.

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From the outside it does look like a mess. It's embarrassing to hear the uninformed opinions and some of the media's bias and desire for a headline.

Listening to Sayers and reading Spidaman's post above I am comforted that Sayers has identified the issues confronting Carlton from the Review whilst there's 4 weeks to play in the season and 10 weeks before Trade period, and hope that the focus is on the players and their psychological state at play.

I'm sure the new Coach will be found before the season is out, and well before the players reconvene for their preseason block before xmas, in time for players to know who their coach is, and to build rapport and put players at ease with his vision and potential.

The players know about Teague's shortfalls. They talk. That part is obvious from spidaman's post, but we know that from other examples. What has to happen before preseason is for the coach to gear a Game Plan to suit the cattle he's got, along with the gaps to play roles he needs filled. Then the Trade period comes to play.

The obvious interested candidates we've heard may want to come to Carlton are Cerra, Hewett and Riccardi. Then there's Parker and Guthrie who are A grade FA's and IF we really wanted them.....and they were keen on us (and our offer) ... its amazing how quick things can turn around. See Effendopes* for a quick change in perspective and outlook.

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An EGM is always a great idea.

The EGM needs to be held.

Board needs to be held accountable.

This. Have to agree with Lyon re playing Murphy and Betts stifling young player's development too.

You really can't see the opposing opinions you have, can you?

And I know I'm going to hate myself for asking this but, which board?
The newly appointed one that has been operating for a minute or the old one?

Two new appointees doesn't make a new board - same old culture is infested in there.

Bruce Matthieson annoits whoever he wants to annoit from Gold Coast we are a club thats in Melbourne.

These people need to be challenged and preferably go.

Well clearly I've lost my edge in the maths department.
I was pretty sure we have 4 people leaving an 8 person board and they have already replaced them with, you guessed it..........4 people.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1008389/club-statement-football-department-review-and-board-update