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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 97
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jim wrote:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/671039/groundhog-day-hey-carlton-we-ve-seen-this-picture-before?fbclid=IwAR3o6YnydwSVkmIPPVtpwWvbvmoaLHuSAm93uDYQvP3b5lZOKgqEa8euxrY


Wow. So I'm going to ask again how the flower does this so called external review provide a response along the line of that the List Management/recruitment processes are all good?

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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."

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Something tells me "cool, calm and collected" is the last thing our mob needs.

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If goodwin was appointed to Carlton he would have been sacked last year.


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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."

https://twitter.com/Benny_Williams_/status/1431645722869334022?s=20

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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."

Yeah, didn't like being yelled at. I mean, Really ?!?!
Good player Langdon, even if a little precious.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:17 am 
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Surely Ed should be focusing on the biggest game of his career rather than take pot shots at a former coach.


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Much better as an 18 year old to have a mild mannered coach pushing illegal boner drugs on you I guess.

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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."


Here's a thought...maybe Ed is the player he is now because of the hardline 'basics' he got from Ross. He's now mature enough to not need that anymore because Ross gave him to tools to become more intrinsically motivated and self-sufficient

These arguments always work both ways

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99prelim wrote:
Effes wrote:
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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."


Here's a thought...maybe Ed is the player he is now because of the hardline 'basics' he got from Ross. He's now mature enough to not need that anymore because Ross gave him to tools to become more intrinsically motivated and self-sufficient

These arguments always work both ways


…agreed, and this is exactly why I’m warming to Ross as the next coach, he may not get us a premiership but he seems most likely to lay the groundwork required to take the next step.

I just want our team to be respected by other clubs, not pitied and ridiculed.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:46 am 
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Whoever we choose, let’s not expect them to be the answer to club culture.

Ultimately, the sum of the parts will win us sustained success.


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..agreed, if I'm coaching, I'd want my players to look me in the eyes too..

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london blue wrote:
Whoever we choose, let’s not expect them to be the answer to club culture.

Ultimately, the sum of the parts will win us sustained success.


Agree our player state of mind , maturity & attitude all can’t be adjusted to positive in a season.
Some will not adapt to a new regime, some were too mollycoddled in the past other ignored and regressed, it’s complex.
Settling well grounded foundations and mentoring will take time at least 2 to 3 seasons.

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Ed Langdon: "I've come from five years under the Ross Lyon method so it's a nice change to have someone as cool, calm and collected as Simon Goodwin. I haven't heard him raise his voice once when he's been at the club."



https://www.fremantlefc.com.au/news/275 ... gdons-year

Ed's confused....


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:59 pm 
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Good article from someone who has coached here. Let's see how many shoot the messenger rather than read the message......lol.................

Mick Malthouse: Why Carlton will remain trapped in a time warp unless board changes direction

So Carlton has won 16 premierships I was once told at a board meeting. I love history but rear-vision mirror stuff doesn’t win games at footy clubs, writes Mick Malthouse. (Herald Sun)
I have been at six football clubs as a player and coach. For those who think the culture is the same at every football club, you are a long way off the truth.
After I left West Coast, which was a magnificent club, I was in the fortunate position of being approached by a couple of clubs on my return to Victoria.
The most compelling reason to sign with Collingwood was that Eddie McGuire had a very small rear vision mirror and a very large windscreen. It was all about going forward for him, and building on the club’s culture and previous successes.
The biggest disappointment of my coaching career is that I should have looked further into Carlton’s lack of forward thinking and its obsession with the past, before I signed on to coach the Blues.
I was staggered, and I still am, at the Carlton board’s preoccupation with past players and past premierships. It drags its VFL success around like a ball and chain.
And it allows past players and high-profile businessmen, who can avoid ramifications by not taking up an elected position, to have too much influence at the club.
I was reminded in one (regular) board meeting that the Blues had won 16 premiership cups. I quickly informed them that they had in fact won just a single AFL premiership (1995) which put the club in the low range for number of flags won since the AFL announced itself in 1990.
I love history. I love acknowledging the greats of the past. But in football, past club greats and past feats don’t win you games of football today or tomorrow.
In another board meeting I was informed of a five-year plan to win a premiership. I was in my second year at the club and I was told we were already three years into a plan that I was completely unaware of. They asked for my assessment, but didn’t like the answer.
It came as a great shock to most of the board members that the plan was totally unachievable in that time frame, and that in fact, until the constraints of contract management were lifted we were going to stay a middle-of-the-road team.
Too many players on an ageing list were overpaid or over-committed in lengthy contracts, in contrast to their ability. There was no room to move, or even to retain star power on the hit list of opposing clubs, and until we could afford multiple trades or multiple draft picks we were carrying the burden like baggage.
This did not sit well with several board members. But without this reality check Carlton was always going to be looking at the teams above it.
The coaches previous to me, and since, would no doubt have felt similar emotions and pressures in regard to the high expectations of the board, without the means to meet them.
I will clarify this by saying that Stephen Kernahan for that one year was outstanding.
A football person in a football environment, he knew how tough it was, and is, to win games of footy. And the football department and staff at Carlton were brilliant and tight like family.
I can’t answer for the board in the past six years. I have no idea of their processes or football intellect. This is not about profit and loss, new stands, AFLW, coterie groups and the like, this is about what supporters want — time in the finals.
I really don’t know David Teague outside of brief encounters and how the media portrays him. But judging by his comments in regard to a lack of support from the board, I can assume he has experienced what I and every coach since Denis Pagan has experienced at Carlton.
It just appears that many of those who have been on the Blues’ board hire and fire at will in their own companies and carry that over into the football club.
I am no businessman. I have little concept of it. But I do know that football clubs run on a passionate ticket.
Trust is the No. 1 ingredient of a successful football club.
Friendships are built, ups and downs are the norm, and support is a prerequisite for any success.
There is no doubt about the ability of players at Carlton when you run through the list. It is a club that possibly ranges between fifth and 10th on the ladder. If you think this is an inditement on Teague you are wrong. For a club to make the final eight the coach needs to be fully supported, and not constantly looking over his shoulder and doubting if he can survive his contract term as Teague has done for most of this year.
There are a lot of things that need to go right, plus a bit of luck, for a club to play finals.
So with a fair playing list, the new Carlton coach will need full support — not make-believe support, not some support, and not for some-of-the-time support — but full support from the board.
If the Blues want a lesson they could talk to Peggy O’Neal and Brendon Gale at Richmond and get their template on how to make a coach feel fully comfortable in his job and able to perform unhindered.
Judging by Carlton president Luke Sayers’ comments that the Blues’ focus is on “sustained and uncompromising high performance” and winning premierships, then I’m not sure they’ve learnt yet.
This job could go to a proven coach or an unproven coach. It could go to a recycled coach. It doesn’t matter who next coaches Carlton, unless the club uses the Richmond template of support, it will lead to another failure.
My one tip for the Blues, for what it’s worth, is to maintain their cultural past and remember the greats, but move forward, look forward, and charge forward.... (SB)


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From The Age....

However, Lyon confirmed on radio that Langdon had been in touch to clarify his remarks, with the wingman claiming he had made a poor choice of words and had been taken out of context.

Lyon said he hadn’t actually heard the remarks before Langdon reached out, but the former St Kilda and Dockers coach was unapologetic.

“If it’s legitimate and that’s what he meant, and it was all seriousness, well I’m on a journey of growth and a growth mindset, I would take the feedback,” Lyon said.

“I know Ed, he’s really dry. I’m not here to defend myself or Ed. Ed can speak for himself...he was one of my favourites.”


Mmmmmmmmmm two sides to every beatup story.

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And it allows past players and high-profile businessmen, who can avoid ramifications by not taking up an elected position, to have too much influence at the club.


That is the Kicker right there from Malthouse. If Sayers can cut the puppet strings, he will be on the way to getting the club on the right path.

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Good article from someone who has coached here. Let's see how many shoot the messenger rather than read the message......lol.................

Mick Malthouse: Why Carlton will remain trapped in a time warp unless board changes direction

So Carlton has won 16 premierships I was once told at a board meeting. I love history but rear-vision mirror stuff doesn’t win games at footy clubs, writes Mick Malthouse. (Herald Sun)
I have been at six football clubs as a player and coach. For those who think the culture is the same at every football club, you are a long way off the truth.
After I left West Coast, which was a magnificent club, I was in the fortunate position of being approached by a couple of clubs on my return to Victoria.
The most compelling reason to sign with Collingwood was that Eddie McGuire had a very small rear vision mirror and a very large windscreen. It was all about going forward for him, and building on the club’s culture and previous successes.
The biggest disappointment of my coaching career is that I should have looked further into Carlton’s lack of forward thinking and its obsession with the past, before I signed on to coach the Blues.
I was staggered, and I still am, at the Carlton board’s preoccupation with past players and past premierships. It drags its VFL success around like a ball and chain.
And it allows past players and high-profile businessmen, who can avoid ramifications by not taking up an elected position, to have too much influence at the club.
I was reminded in one (regular) board meeting that the Blues had won 16 premiership cups. I quickly informed them that they had in fact won just a single AFL premiership (1995) which put the club in the low range for number of flags won since the AFL announced itself in 1990.
I love history. I love acknowledging the greats of the past. But in football, past club greats and past feats don’t win you games of football today or tomorrow.
In another board meeting I was informed of a five-year plan to win a premiership. I was in my second year at the club and I was told we were already three years into a plan that I was completely unaware of. They asked for my assessment, but didn’t like the answer.
It came as a great shock to most of the board members that the plan was totally unachievable in that time frame, and that in fact, until the constraints of contract management were lifted we were going to stay a middle-of-the-road team.
Too many players on an ageing list were overpaid or over-committed in lengthy contracts, in contrast to their ability. There was no room to move, or even to retain star power on the hit list of opposing clubs, and until we could afford multiple trades or multiple draft picks we were carrying the burden like baggage.
This did not sit well with several board members. But without this reality check Carlton was always going to be looking at the teams above it.
The coaches previous to me, and since, would no doubt have felt similar emotions and pressures in regard to the high expectations of the board, without the means to meet them.
I will clarify this by saying that Stephen Kernahan for that one year was outstanding.
A football person in a football environment, he knew how tough it was, and is, to win games of footy. And the football department and staff at Carlton were brilliant and tight like family.
I can’t answer for the board in the past six years. I have no idea of their processes or football intellect. This is not about profit and loss, new stands, AFLW, coterie groups and the like, this is about what supporters want — time in the finals.
I really don’t know David Teague outside of brief encounters and how the media portrays him. But judging by his comments in regard to a lack of support from the board, I can assume he has experienced what I and every coach since Denis Pagan has experienced at Carlton.
It just appears that many of those who have been on the Blues’ board hire and fire at will in their own companies and carry that over into the football club.
I am no businessman. I have little concept of it. But I do know that football clubs run on a passionate ticket.
Trust is the No. 1 ingredient of a successful football club.
Friendships are built, ups and downs are the norm, and support is a prerequisite for any success.
There is no doubt about the ability of players at Carlton when you run through the list. It is a club that possibly ranges between fifth and 10th on the ladder. If you think this is an inditement on Teague you are wrong. For a club to make the final eight the coach needs to be fully supported, and not constantly looking over his shoulder and doubting if he can survive his contract term as Teague has done for most of this year.
There are a lot of things that need to go right, plus a bit of luck, for a club to play finals.
So with a fair playing list, the new Carlton coach will need full support — not make-believe support, not some support, and not for some-of-the-time support — but full support from the board.
If the Blues want a lesson they could talk to Peggy O’Neal and Brendon Gale at Richmond and get their template on how to make a coach feel fully comfortable in his job and able to perform unhindered.
Judging by Carlton president Luke Sayers’ comments that the Blues’ focus is on “sustained and uncompromising high performance” and winning premierships, then I’m not sure they’ve learnt yet.
This job could go to a proven coach or an unproven coach. It could go to a recycled coach. It doesn’t matter who next coaches Carlton, unless the club uses the Richmond template of support, it will lead to another failure.
My one tip for the Blues, for what it’s worth, is to maintain their cultural past and remember the greats, but move forward, look forward, and charge forward.... (SB)


thanks jim.

The message is to respect the past but look and plan to the future.

MM is full of shit otherwise.

I remember I was in melbourne to watch Carlton back in 2012. I was listening to the radio after the game and heard malthouse say something like, the Blues are underachieving with that list, and should not only be playing finals but be a top 4 team. He was spruking for the top job after being sacked at Pies and feeling like a nobody, aka AFL journo.

In other words Malthouse was saying he could get them to finals and possibly top 4. He failed if it wasn't for the Effendruggies penalty.

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I wouldn't read a word from that self serving, deluded old man.

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