You don't think Gale has an ego??

Gale has also done an MBA and I think some Harvard courses...he knows EXACTLY how to present and what to say as a 'leader'...doesn't mean one bit that you can infer (from afar) that Gale cares only for the RFC and not for himself

You don't think he'll put up his hand to be the next CEO of the AFL??

We'll agree to disagree but IMHO, Buckley is headed for lots of success in the commercial side of footy

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Would Big Nick have wanted him after '72?

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Well after 50+ years Big Nic’s history is often forgotten so why not Balme’s?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Hes just another puppet.

Just like MLG.

Why is he? I’m sure we would all like to know how you arrived at that belief. How about putting abit of substance behind your thoughts, or is it merely just another throw away line.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Ive given you substance. Sayers is like Raffy geminder before him.

All of them on the board to further their own careers by rubbing shoulders with the power brokers and other elites.

They don't care about Carlton. They care about guys like mathieson.

You want to tell us why he isn't like the rest? You can attack my posts all you like but I've heard some very poor reports about Sayers from people in the know.

Balme and Clarkson would have been a perfect pair to run our footy department to keep our die hards happy. Only needed Lethal to run our review.

We need experienced tough footy people with shit on the liver.

Well I’m actually a positive guy. Would you believe that. I’m also no idiot.
It’s not about you being positive and me being negative.
That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it.
It’s about what you think does work and doesn’t work.
This board has sacked the last 6 coaches with their contracts not finished.
You will say shit happens. There were problems like that in your workplace in your teaching days.

The problem you have judging by your posts is you trivialize things at the club. Whether that’s just you or how strongly your emotionally attached to the club or a combination I don’t know
What Sayers has said and his actions is the same garbage we have heard and read about for the last 20 years. Only difference is he sounds more confident.
I have always stated that the board is the problem
We need a clean slate at the top
How were the four new members picked. Did the members have any say in it? No

And Sayers saying we aim to play finals next year.
How much of a certainty is that

I agree with Walshy
Our midfield depth is atrocious. That’s why we can’t be consistent.
So what’s the solution.
We trade away pick6(8) to get the 5 th best mid in an average team.

The other thing that hasn’t been mentioned much is with all the injuries we had our two best players played full seasons. I dare say if Walsh and Weitering went down we would have been non-competitive The next 2 best players Jones and McKay were out the last couple and we were pretty crap
The list is not good enough
Without Weitering or Jones down back some games would have been blow outs
But again you would probably say
Well that would be the same at all clubs
And Sayers says the expectation is we play finals
As you said in your post recently too many big heads and egos
This time last year I told you and other posters we were on the road to nowhere trading away picks for overrated players and paying huge money for a HBF

But as usual you not only disagreed you trivialized it.

Who was right?


This cycle of workplace keeps turning
But I’m a positive guy
So convince me Sayers is different

I wouldn't know Sayers if I passed him in the Street.

I always get curious when people trash other people as to their reasons why...........

Is it because of hidden Agenda's or has that person been wronged at some time or because they heard from a friend of a friend that he was not right. And then I wonder about the Agenda's of those friends. Is it because they are easily led or brain washed by the media 24/7? It is all subliminal after all. If the media says things enough times, it has to be true.

Or is it like Agro's reasons, where he has a memory like and elephant and some slight that happened in 1949 still lingers in his brain.

You haven't given any substance, you have just given your perception of the man and a throwaway line about him wanting to rub shoulders with the elites.

Sayers possibly/probably/maybe has a lot to answer for as he has been on the Board for 9 years. No-one knows how he has voted during that time. Perhaps he was the lone voice against the 'Elites'. Maybe Sayers has been biding his time, hanging in there waiting for the chance to take the reins and effect real change from within once he had the Presidency.

Maybe he is a fool. Maybe he is power hungry. Stuffed if I know. Time will tell I guess and until then we have to wait and see what moves he makes and who he gets to the Club.

If all of a sudden Liddle and/or Lloyd goes, will that make him a better or worse President?

If Williams and Co select Lyon or Voss or Pyke does that make Sayers a better or worse President. If we beat the Tigers by 10 goals in Rd 1 2022 is he better or worse?

What do we know about Sayers...............He has a lot of questions to answer after 9 years. I'm looking forward to seeing if he can answer those questions in the coming months.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

I don't know the answer to this but.....................

How many, if any, of the AFL clubs have their paid up members vote each time there is a vacancy, on who takes a seat on the teams Board?

I'm interested to know if Carlton's Board selection framework is the norm or a one off across the 18 teams.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

The question was how is Sayers different given what he has said and done this week compared to other boards
Judging by your answer you have taken lessons from Ross Lyon

Just to repeat myself from a previous post
It’s clear Sayers is a person who says “ you do it my way”
That’s a fair assessment.
That’s not what we need.
Unless you have individuals who ignore that and create a caring culture that unites a team you are stuffed in a team sports environment
Works at an accounting firm maybe
Not at anAFL club
Judging by yesterday’s presser Cain Liddle is a pussy

Okay you have said that you weren’t happy with what Sayers had to say. We all heard what he said.

What is it you wanted him to say that would have made you happy?

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Nothing about “ being happy “
I think it’s fairly safe to say what sort of leader he is
I don’t think that style of leadership suits a team sporting environment in 2021.
It’s a large reason IMO why we haven’t succeeded on field


How is Sayers different from Elliott and co that will help this club onfield
We all have some idea what he is like based on this week

Come on Keogh hang your hat on something other than a ‘gut feel’.

Let’s be honest here. You have no real idea what sort of Leader he is. I get the impression he is Pi55ed of is what he is. Based on his actions from the moment he got the top job he has said right to get a review happening and get some changes underway because this isn’t working. He could have just sat back an not rock the boat but he didn’t. And he has copped plenty of flack for it.

His main role is to give strong leadership. Make up your mind. Do you want strong leadership from the start or someone who cuddles kittens. #$&* you are hard work sometimes.

So you say you didn’t like what he said at the conference but can’t tell me what you wished he had said.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Yeah , got on the front foot . Jumped behind the wheel and put the foot down . Like that . Shop early as they say .

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All my dangerous friends

Ok
So in a team sport environment what is your description of what good leadership is?

" I love the players...I really do so I do not want to up[set them...I love Teaguey too but I feel you know...loving the players oh... and this great club, have I said yet how much I love this great club...and the players oh and Cain and others who work so hard around this club and who through no fault of there own have found themselves at the crossroads without a song left to sing... man I just love everyone around the place, but...but even with love, and I'm sorry to say this, I am...it, it hurts me to say it, and I've personally told him it hurts me to say it, but...but I just think Teaguey has to go, you know, some fresh starts and...and because I love this club...and because I love the players and because I had to let Teaguey go even though I love him to, well, well I'm stepping down now...well not now...but real soon, right after i've made sure everyone is okay and no one is too distressed... and I want everyone on the board to step down because our best is clearly not good enough and love, love will only take you so far, so yes...we are all stepping down and now..now could a few good men please step up and run the club...with love...and patience...and care...no anger...no ruthlessness...nothing but gentle persuasion please."

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

There is different types of leadership required by The President and the Coach.

We are talking about the President so I will stick with that. I could go on and on about the top 5 goals of leadership from any book on the internet but….

He has to lead with complete fairness to all and make the hard decisions based on what is best for the Club
He must be clinical in his decision making and make those decisions purely based on facts.
He has to surround himself with the best he possibly can and let them get on with their jobs.
He must be unrelenting in demanding that everyone at the Club knows they are being employed for the betterment of the Club.
When issues arise he must ensure he or the relevant Manager deals with them quickly and professionally.
If he becomes aware of undermining or white anting anywhere within the Club, he needs to come down on it like a ton of bricks.
And my personal 2 rules. 1. No knee jerk reactions to issues. 2. The 1% doesn’t rule the 99%.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Thanks