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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 97
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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.

Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.

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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.



So what you are saying is that he hasn't learnt anything in his time at Port as an assistant coach (another one who prematurely became a senior coach without the apprenticeship) and despite what he's experienced at Port Adelaide we can't see him become a better senior coach?

Or should we go someone more like Ross lyon who's not coached in any way with current interchange caps, 6-6-6 rules?

Note, there isn't anyone available with a great record who you'd do cartwheels about and I see Voss as someone who is less polarizing than a lot of other options.


You don't know if he has improved if he was back in the top job. Utter gamble. When selecting anyone for the job the CV history is important. Learn or not, he showed he struggled in the big job. You want to go with someone who failed in the top job? In our situation that would be utterly stupid. Last thing we want to risk.

Don't really want Lyon either. Brad Scott is probably the best of them which is saying something. Got a bit out of an ordinary side. Not that keen though. There is no-one of the available experienced coaches that I want. There's probably alot better amongst the assistants around the traps. Our board has a closed mind though. Need to throw it open. First timers would likely run away from our job as they know there's a big chance of "career finished".


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jezzarules wrote:
jim wrote:
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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.

Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Young coach with fresh ideas and correct support structure around him.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:45 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
jim wrote:
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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.

Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Young coach with fresh ideas and correct support structure around him.

No problem for me
Board won't have the balls.

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jezzarules wrote:
Walsh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
jim wrote:
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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.

Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Young coach with fresh ideas and correct support structure around him.

No problem for me
Board won't have the balls.


They have the balls just sack him after two years and destroy another career.


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Walsh wrote:
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Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Young coach with fresh ideas and correct support structure around him.

No problem for me
Board won't have the balls.


They have the balls just sack him after two years and destroy another career.

We needed better fresh ideas

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jezzarules wrote:
jim wrote:
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Michael voss is who we want next.

Just stop him from getting too involved with recruiting. Comes from Port who play one of the best brands of footy out there.


Already failed once. Winning record was 39.9%, even less than Teague at 42%, and that was a after a good first year. Last thing we need is to risk a coach that failed in our situation.

Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Some have had some pretty decent decent success amongst their failures and shown they can do the job. Those one's don't want to coach though. Voss hasn't. Silly to gamble on that. Imagine the outcry if he failed again. Supporters would tear the place down. Lyon is yesterday's man, at least in my opinion.

First timer might be the only place to find someone decent but they will probably run a mile. Problem is though the Review failed to address our main issue, which is playing culture and the lack of motivation or even care to succeed. That what has brought down so many coaches and likely to bring down the next coach. Can't coach that crap. 20 years of changing coaches has changed nothing.


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jezzarules wrote:
Walsh wrote:
jezzarules wrote:
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Everyone we're looking at has failed at least once, unless we go for a first timer.


Young coach with fresh ideas and correct support structure around him.

No problem for me
Board won't have the balls.


They have the balls just sack him after two years and destroy another career.

We needed better fresh ideas


It was ahead of the curve imo.

Just needed a better injury list and two bonafide midfielders short.


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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.

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jezzarules wrote:
Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience.


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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience and an idea about coaching.


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Walsh wrote:
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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience.

His five year plan forgot to account for Bolton using up the first 3.5 years.

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jezzarules wrote:
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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience.

His five year plan forgot to account for Bolton using up the first 3.5 years.


Thats on the board not the coaches.


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Walsh wrote:
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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience.

His five year plan forgot to account for Bolton using up the first 3.5 years.


Thats on the board not the coaches.

It's on the coach if he plays a long game on a short contract

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jezzarules wrote:
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Teague needed to realise a rookie coach should stay on the curve not ahead or behind it.


No he should go out and win flags. But to win flags needs a little bit of patience.

His five year plan forgot to account for Bolton using up the first 3.5 years.


Thats on the board not the coaches.

It's on the coach if he plays a long game on a short contract


Well we won't know now for sure - his contract was up next year, possibly a short sighted and wasted opportunity for the club - I was very interested to see what he can do with a better injury list and two additions to the midfield. But alas will forever remain a mystery now.


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I think it is far more difficult to coach at a club where you are a past champion. An unrealistic expectations comes with it.

Also very difficult to coach a club after a very strong era.

From where I sit the mistake both Voss and Brisbane made at that time was in list management.

I think he should be considered.


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I think it is far more difficult to coach at a club where you are a past champion. An unrealistic expectations comes with it.

Also very difficult to coach a club after a very strong era.

From where I sit the mistake both Voss and Brisbane made at that time was in list management.

I think he should be considered.


Only decent amount of success here in 20 years was from a past champion.

His CV showed he failed with a winning percentage worse than Teague. And he certainly didn't take over a side that had won 4 from 43 previously. Whether he would improve or not we don't know so would be a huge gamble Last thing you would consider for a club in our position.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:17 pm 
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I’m leaning more and more towards Lyon, let’s all admit what the club and players need is stability, system and moderate success. We don’t need to wins flag in the first year, more important than anything the team has been treated as a joke by all other clubs for 20 years now, what we need is a sold base of performance to be laid down that can be built upon. If all Lyon does is give us a competitive team for a few seasons it’s worth it, you can’t go from long term rabble to premiers in 1-2 years.


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I’m leaning more and more towards Lyon, let’s all admit what the club and players need is stability, system and moderate success. We don’t need to wins flag in the first year, more important than anything the team has been treated as a joke by all other clubs for 20 years now, what we need is a sold base of performance to be laid down that can be built upon. If all Lyon does is give us a competitive team for a few seasons it’s worth it, you can’t go from long term rabble to premiers in 1-2 years.



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