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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:28 pm 
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The process has been bungled. The review shouldn't have been done mid-year. Teague and the players were under undue pressure for the second half of the year. They didn't measure up. He left Teague hanging on too long.


The process was not bungled. The timing of the review was spot on. If Teague and the players are such delicate blossoms that they can’t do their jobs while an underperforming department is being reviewed, then they are not the people I want representing my club.

On your last statement about supposedly keeping Teague hanging on - Teague told the club he didn’t want to be briefed on the review findings until after round 23. He was then given a few days to absorb the findings and respond to them before the board made its final decision to end his appointment.

Agreed
The last part of your post has been neglected by the media as it does not fit their narrative
Review was long overdue. Starting early has put us in a position to implement changes prior to trade, draft and pre season


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:32 pm 
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I wish he'd stay out of the media and just do his job. He seems to think it is all about him.

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That’s unfair. A big thing just happened at the club and he needs to front up. He is trying to show leadership and take responsibility and tell members and the media what his plans are to get us out of this shit.

We were all complaining when Le Gioudice wasn’t present when we were bagged from pillar to post.

Love hearing from a strong president. We need it…….

Geez damned if he does and damned if he doesnt.
The process has been bungled. The review shouldn't have been done mid-year. Teague and the players were under undue pressure for the second half of the year. They didn't measure up. He left Teague hanging on too long. Now he's telling us everyone he's had a phone call with and who his friends are.

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Nothing wrong with the timing or the nature of the Review. Our footy dept needed a controlled implosion after giving its supporters grief for soooooo many years
It's a big boys game and we needed the spotlight on us big time. Only the tough survive.
Players are now acutely aware they are under the microscope
Love the Review...love it love it

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:36 pm 
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Thought Sayers spoke well in the press conference yesterday and on radio today
Decisive and appears to have a plan to improve the performance of this club
The biggest benefit that may come out of this review is that the entire football department has been put on notice that the same garbage we’ve seen for years won’t be accepted
Add an experienced coach like Ross to the mix and it should be another professional that can be relied upon to perform their job at a high standard


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:56 pm 
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Is it just me, or does anyone feel like the president is using the classic Consulting agency tactics of turning up the heat on underperformers until they sack themselves and find a new job?

Im getting the sense that they will accept Brad Lloyd's resignation if it is tendered.....


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:59 pm 
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Omg so Malbi you want the review now? This will throw our trade period and pre season out the door. At least now once we appoint the coach we get on with it.

Who’s mouthpiece are you ? No we wont be voting for the new ticket. FYI.


Who is the new ticket ?


The one that Vince guy is running. There seems to be his supporters posting around the traps against our current board. Mud Racking if you like.

Sick of this infighting in our club. Now this EGM is making it worse.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:12 pm 
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/671349/-i-s ... -key-staff

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:36 pm 
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Well I disagree with everything here


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:38 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Well I disagree with everything here


Well colour me shocked. :yikes:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 7:31 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Well I disagree with everything here


Well colour me shocked. :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


I get the impression from our battles over the years that your position in the inner sanctum as opposed to someone who is an outsider means you know more and I know jack shit

Well Cazzeman I have been on TC for 15 years or so and nearly every post I’ve written is negative
Am I right:wink:

So rather than predict 2 years post of the event let me tell you now we are rooted if this bloke Sayers is our top dog and Lyon is our coach


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:11 am 
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keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Well I disagree with everything here


Well colour me shocked. :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


I get the impression from our battles over the years that your position in the inner sanctum as opposed to someone who is an outsider means you know more and I know jack shit

Well Cazzeman I have been on TC for 15 years or so and nearly every post I’ve written is negative
Am I right:wink:

So rather than predict 2 years post of the event let me tell you now we are rooted if this bloke Sayers is our top dog and Lyon is our coach

keogh: torch the board, there no good
Carlton: okay
keogh: no not like that your doing it wrong


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:18 am 
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Whether you want Lyon or not, the less than subtle victim-blaming, re: assumptions about why there was a payout, or casting doubt on the validity of the story simply because you might want him as a coach makes for some very uncomfortable reading.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:04 am 
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keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Well I disagree with everything here


Well colour me shocked. :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


I get the impression from our battles over the years that your position in the inner sanctum as opposed to someone who is an outsider means you know more and I know jack shit

Well Cazzeman I have been on TC for 15 years or so and nearly every post I’ve written is negative
Am I right:wink:

So rather than predict 2 years post of the event let me tell you now we are rooted if this bloke Sayers is our top dog and Lyon is our coach


Come on Keogh we both know - I am the half full guy and you are the half empty guy. It's our stic'. :lol:

I am Mr Positive and your are Mr Negative. I'll keep working on you but we both know this is how we will go to our graves. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:32 am 
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@Cazzesman

The reason we won't get one us because we are looking to one man to lead us there and to do it in a very short period of time.

You can make an excuse to sack any coach. We would have fired Dimma in 2013 if he was coaching Carlton the length before hand.

Look how not sacking him worked out for Richmond.

In fact, you make a ladder of teams in order of how many coaches they've gone through in the last 20 years, and tell me which teams have performed the best.

Having done this exercise, fewer coaches correlates with more time at the top than not.

More coaches means instability, players leaving because the environment isn't conducive to cohesion and bonding thanks to constant change, and just generally breeding divisions in groups that hate the incumbent vs like him.


Carlton's problems come from way, way back. It is the people in the shadows that have killed this club time and again. The Puppet masters with big money and big mouths. They drip, drip, drip away with constant complaints. Those complaints permeate through the Coterie Groups and onto their mates that Hold actual positions. From there, knee jerk reactions tend to happen.

Carlton is its own worst enemy because the wealthy backers having the wrong ears. We consistently devour our own because we want instant satisfaction.

Dimma was saved because of who they put around him. It enabled him to do his job and guys like Balme and Gale kept the rest at arms length until the club got up and running.

Carlton has been searching for its own Balme, O'Neal and Gale for years but have had no luck because of the various factions trying to insert their own mates.

I hope Sayers is our straight shooter and he doesn't get undermined. We know Williams is a straight shooter. We need a CEO who is there for all the right reasons. He needs to be a calming influence with football street smarts. He needs to be the one to tell the Puppet Masters behind the Board to 'Back off.'

From what I have seen of Buckley, if he doesn't want to Coach a team I think he would make an excellent Football Manager to replace Lloyd. He doesn't suffer fools, he is methodical and he also appears to have a great BS detector. He knows the pressure the Coaches are under and he can speak to the Coach from a position of "I understand I have been there as well."

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:58 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
thryleon wrote:
@Cazzesman

The reason we won't get one us because we are looking to one man to lead us there and to do it in a very short period of time.

You can make an excuse to sack any coach. We would have fired Dimma in 2013 if he was coaching Carlton the length before hand.

Look how not sacking him worked out for Richmond.

In fact, you make a ladder of teams in order of how many coaches they've gone through in the last 20 years, and tell me which teams have performed the best.

Having done this exercise, fewer coaches correlates with more time at the top than not.

More coaches means instability, players leaving because the environment isn't conducive to cohesion and bonding thanks to constant change, and just generally breeding divisions in groups that hate the incumbent vs like him.


Carlton's problems come from way, way back. It is the people in the shadows that have killed this club time and again. The Puppet masters with big money and big mouths. They drip, drip, drip away with constant complaints. Those complaints permeate through the Coterie Groups and onto their mates that Hold actual positions. From there, knee jerk reactions tend to happen.

Carlton is its own worst enemy because the wealthy backers having the wrong ears. We consistently devour our own because we want instant satisfaction.

Dimma was saved because of who they put around him. It enabled him to do his job and guys like Balme and Gale kept the rest at arms length until the club got up and running.

Carlton has been searching for its own Balme, O'Neal and Gale for years but have had no luck because of the various factions trying to insert their own mates.

I hope Sayers is our straight shooter and he doesn't get undermined. We know Williams is a straight shooter. We need a CEO who is there for all the right reasons. He needs to be a calming influence with football street smarts. He needs to be the one to tell the Puppet Masters behind the Board to 'Back off.'

From what I have seen of Buckley, if he doesn't want to Coach a team I think he would make an excellent Football Manager to replace Lloyd. He doesn't suffer fools, he is methodical and he also appears to have a great BS detector. He knows the pressure the Coaches are under and he can speak to the Coach from a position of "I understand I have been there as well."

Regards Cazzesman


Buckley will go into high level football admin one day...will be the next Brendon Gale...would take him in a heartbeat to start his football administration journey at Carlton

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:05 pm 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/28/ ... -football/

:banghead: :banghead:

Snooze you loose.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:06 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
keogh wrote:
Well I disagree with everything here


Well colour me shocked. :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


I get the impression from our battles over the years that your position in the inner sanctum as opposed to someone who is an outsider means you know more and I know jack shit

Well Cazzeman I have been on TC for 15 years or so and nearly every post I’ve written is negative
Am I right:wink:

So rather than predict 2 years post of the event let me tell you now we are rooted if this bloke Sayers is our top dog and Lyon is our coach


Come on Keogh we both know - I am the half full guy and you are the half empty guy. It's our stic'. :lol:

I am Mr Positive and your are Mr Negative. I'll keep working on you but we both know this is how we will go to our graves. :thumbsup:

Regards Cazzesman


From what I've read, not sure how you got to half empty


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:09 pm 
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Buckley will never have as much passion for the club as he has for himself.

Chalk & cheese to mention him alongside Gale.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:12 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/28/neil-balme-to-take-up-new-role-in-football/

:banghead: :banghead:

Snooze you loose.

Regards Cazzesman


Yep. Get the best - remember. :mad:


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:15 pm 
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TheDenominator wrote:

From what I've read, not sure how you got to half empty


:lol: :lol: My poetic license Dom. Who said, never spoil a good story with the facts :donk:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:17 pm 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone feel like the president is using the classic Consulting agency tactics of turning up the heat on underperformers until they sack themselves and find a new job?

Im getting the sense that they will accept Brad Lloyd's resignation if it is tendered.....

Absolutely.

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