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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:11 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/



Good one London :thumbsup:



There's great reviews, best practise reports, supporter analytics conducted by Richmond.

As Jack Reiwoldt said tonight on 360, Carlton have more going for them in terms of personnel than what Richmond did at the time of this report, when they built a team around the 2 bookends Jack and Rance, and 2 mids in Cotchin and Dusty.

He said Carlton can turn things around pretty quickly, if the players get on board, and they had their huge challenge in the off season before 2017 with a failed Board challenge, and they won the flag the next season.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:18 pm 
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zoneman wrote:
However you want to look at it, it's been a big day. There are some strong opinions about this and I understand people's frustration. I thought Teague, through all this process, would have been kept on. But I was wrong. Having said that, the changes in the board and the football department is encouraging. I see the split on the assessment of our list. My respectful opinion is that I think we're better than where we finished. I think SPS wasn't given the right opportunity. A much better player when he is in the midfield. Eddie Betts went into bat for him as that is my understanding and Eddie seems to have a good rapport with David Teague. There may be a couple of other guys who were mismanaged but I'm not sure.

As much as it looks a poor look getting rid of another coach, what has happened alongside is the difference here, with assistant coaches and board members going as well. I don't think this decision was taken lightly and was said with a heavy heart. David Teague is a quality person and the club knew that. I think the process to employ him was flawed and that has bitten back at the club hard.

Perhaps watch this space as to more departures.

I have a feeling that even though I wasn't into Teague going that this process will serve us a well. Sometimes you have to go through a healing crisis before you get well. I think this is our healing crisis.

Everyone have a great night.


Great way the end the evening.

Thanks zoneman.

Good evening to you all.

Carlton 2022.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:25 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
I think you find when the review was announced Liddle and MLG at the time were at pains to let everyone know that Daivd Teague wasn't under review. Go back and read all the articles and at the new sponsorship announcement Liddle categorically denied it and clearly stated this review doesn't include Teague and he will be coaching us in 2022.



That wasn't really my read on it at the time Deano. I thought MLG was questioned as to whether this was purely a coaching review with the focus on Teague, which he watered down & (rightly) stressed it was a football review which included all coaching staff, recruiters, etc. Ultimately how & why would a football dept. review not include the senior coach?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:26 pm 
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buzzaaaah wrote:
This EGM is the last thing we need.
If we lose RossLyon because of this instability, I'll be very upset.

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Absolutely shithouse idea

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:41 am 
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If you think the board is doing good job then it's not a good idea.

Club culture is poor and getting worse. We have a CEO that looks squashed from all self belief. People are worried about tomorrow

This isn't a high performance environment no matter how you want to cut it.

We exist to win flags but if a young talented coach is sacked because the president didnt like the defensive side of the game plan rather than backing him in with people and resources then I think putting that clown under the sword is above water.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:46 am 
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Walsh wrote:
If you think the board is doing good job then it's not a good idea.

Club culture is poor and getting worse. We have a CEO that looks squashed from all self belief. People are worried about tomorrow

This isn't a high performance environment no matter how you want to cut it.

We exist to win flags but if a young talented coach is sacked because the president didnt like the defensive side of the game plan rather than backing him in with people and resources then I think putting that clown under the sword is above water.

"I respect the decision" - Walsh, several times today

This continuing saltiness - Also Walsh


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:05 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
If you think the board is doing good job then it's not a good idea.

Club culture is poor and getting worse. We have a CEO that looks squashed from all self belief. People are worried about tomorrow

This isn't a high performance environment no matter how you want to cut it.

We exist to win flags but if a young talented coach is sacked because the president didnt like the defensive side of the game plan rather than backing him in with people and resources then I think putting that clown under the sword is above water.

"I respect the decision" - Walsh, several times today

This continuing saltiness - Also Walsh


You don't believe in democracy? Perhaps Afghanistan will be more suitable for you.

The clown needs to be put to the test. As I said of course I respect the decision but I am not a sheeple either.

Put it this way Diesel and I share the same birthday and its telling

1. We dont put up with any shit
2. We are brilliant and highly talented.

Sayers is neither.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:43 am 
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deano35 wrote:
So we conduct a review which went for roughly 2 months and at the end we only SACK 2 assistant coaches and we also SACK our Senior Coach (who the review was supposedly not about)

Wow this is going well.


And half the board turned over (which the most ardent TC critics have been baying for).
And, as others have posted, I suspect there will be further changes in coming weeks, months.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 7:25 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Put it this way Diesel and I share the same birthday and its telling

1. We dont put up with any shit
2. We are brilliant and highly talented.

Sayers is neither.



Both very humble as well. :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:22 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
If you think the board is doing good job then it's not a good idea.

Club culture is poor and getting worse. We have a CEO that looks squashed from all self belief. People are worried about tomorrow

This isn't a high performance environment no matter how you want to cut it.

We exist to win flags but if a young talented coach is sacked because the president didnt like the defensive side of the game plan rather than backing him in with people and resources then I think putting that clown under the sword is above water.

"I respect the decision" - Walsh, several times today

This continuing saltiness - Also Walsh

Hopefully when Teague goes to Richmond, Walsh the poster ( not the player ) will go with him and show the same passion on the tigers board to get hardwick overthrown and then Teague and Walsh can relive their dream together

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:26 am 
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Was on SEN this morning confirmed he talked with Lyon last night but said he would talk directly to others as well
Sounds like Lyon will be part of a process and Greg Williams and a couple of board members will be part of that process
Says he wants coach in place at least by the time the players get back for preseason

The media caravan will move on after footy starts tonight


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:42 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Put it this way Diesel and I share the same birthday and its telling

1. We dont put up with any shit
2. We are brilliant and highly talented.

Sayers is neither.



Both very humble as well. :lol:

I'm not sure we've ever seen Diesel sucking his own salami or squibbing challenges with some vague "I'm entitled to my own opinion" Afghanistan allusion either :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:48 am 
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Walsh wrote:

You don't believe in democracy? Perhaps Afghanistan will be more suitable for you.

The clown needs to be put to the test. As I said of course I respect the decision but I am not a sheeple either.

Put it this way Diesel and I share the same birthday and its telling

1. We dont put up with any shit
2. We are brilliant and highly talented.

Obviously share an extreme case of CTE with Diesel also, explains a lot :donk:


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:53 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
Walsh wrote:
If you think the board is doing good job then it's not a good idea.

Club culture is poor and getting worse. We have a CEO that looks squashed from all self belief. People are worried about tomorrow

This isn't a high performance environment no matter how you want to cut it.

We exist to win flags but if a young talented coach is sacked because the president didnt like the defensive side of the game plan rather than backing him in with people and resources then I think putting that clown under the sword is above water.

"I respect the decision" - Walsh, several times today

This continuing saltiness - Also Walsh


You don't believe in democracy? Perhaps Afghanistan will be more suitable for you.

The clown needs to be put to the test. As I said of course I respect the decision but I am not a sheeple either.

Put it this way Diesel and I share the same birthday and its telling

1. We dont put up with any shit
2. We are brilliant and highly talented.

Sayers is neither.


Not talented enough to convince us Teague was going to win multiple flags
Not talented enough to convince us that the assistants were elite
Not emotionally talented enough to know that well...I'll leave it as, "not emotionally talented..."

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:25 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/



Good one London :thumbsup:



There's great reviews, best practise reports, supporter analytics conducted by Richmond.

As Jack Reiwoldt said tonight on 360, Carlton have more going for them in terms of personnel than what Richmond did at the time of this report, when they built a team around the 2 bookends Jack and Rance, and 2 mids in Cotchin and Dusty.

He said Carlton can turn things around pretty quickly, if the players get on board, and they had their huge challenge in the off season before 2017 with a failed Board challenge, and they won the flag the next season.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:43 am 
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I got a real Tom Wambsgans type of vibe from Sayers in that press conference.

Wild hand gestures, glasses on & off, scratching his head like a shaved ape… clearly hiding a lie of some sort. Probably the fact that Lyon is a done deal.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:47 am 
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Only supporting the EGM if they promise to bring back Smorgyland. Also very interested in their studies on the correlation between sock color and playing shit footy.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:18 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Only supporting the EGM if they promise to bring back Smorgyland. Also very interested in their studies on the correlation between sock color and playing shit footy.


Any news on the "Murphy high mark" simulator?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:03 pm 
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I think people are over-reacting about the ongoing impact of the 'poor way' this has been handled.
I think that Sayers is actually going about this better than we have done before.
His biggest problem is that he is not letting the media in on everything and not doing what they want him to.

I forecast there would be changes to the Board and this has occurred. Faster than I expected.
I suspect there will also be a few more changes to admin, esp in the football department. Although, we may be waiting to finalise the coach before finalising what happens there. I'd be very surprised if there are not significant changes by this time next year, recognising that it might be counterproductive to replace everyone in one go and therefore lose any continuity.

And I am not so worried about the wording of the summary points that were sent out. Looks to me like we were being a bit cute with the wording, e.g. things are in place 'now'... (that weren't in place, what, a month ago?)

I expect Sayers has a lot of things in play.
Clubs can rebound quickly. Let's just be patient over the coming weeks and see how it unfolds.
I do NOT think that a Board challenge is the answer; just when we are finally DOING something.

PS. I would have be ok with leaving Teague in place but I do think we have made the better call for us at this time...)


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