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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:28 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


Tom Morris?
There's a few journo's around that I'd listen to. Tom isn't close to making the list.

This is guy is an idiot, he taking credit for Saying Teague got sacked today when McClure reported the night before

And now he is pushing the new agenda with the egm !!

Classic clown , who also said that Teague will coach next year if it wasn’t clarko

I use to think this guy was ok ,

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:30 pm 
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It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


If I'm to believe that, I may as well believe than you're not a vexatious litigant

Nah...I call bullshit on it...most players thought Teague was useless as a coach

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:37 pm 
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Just watched the end of Mark McClures emotional coverage on all things Carlton and his continued focus on culture.

Whilst I like Mark I think a number of points need to be made.

1) There is a group WhatsApp chat that has been active on for a few years.Ex players and connected supporters.This group has been critical ,as you would expect ,on the Club but importantly the coach.
Mark tonight was a little sheepish about Teague.After all this was what they were advocating.

2) Mark has always been very strong on culture however his recollections of 1979 (Jesse/Harris)have their failings.It was not Dalllas Brookes Hall where the bun fight took place but appropriately Festival Hall.

3) Importantly Mark on 360 neglected to say that he was anti Jessa /Harris.
I was there on a Sunday at Princes Park where he and Jones made impassioned please on behalf of Rice etc( I would disclose I agreed)

I thiink Mark needs to be reminded that what we have now is not unique and perhaps activities of he and his peers in the background continue a long tradition of player involvement.

What is concerning today and recently is the involvement in the media of players..To my mind this smells of involvement of current staff pushing their own agendas.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:40 pm 
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It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


if the players really wanted teague, i'm sure letting 19 goals go unanswered is not the way to show it. and dont go on about injuries.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:45 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
It was mentioned in the presser players weren't happy with the decision.

Smashing playing group morale is just really smart business.


They’ve smashed the members, supporters and clubs morale, so maybe it’s time for them to harden the flower up!!! We’ve given them every opportunity thru Bolton and Teague to deliver via the ‘inclusive’ nature. Time to get serious.


It's not the players fault - it's the board we are a revolving door of CEO's, List Managers, Head Coaches, Players you name it.

It's the culture that stinks and there is no stability.


true, but remind me again who of those groups were on the field when we got belted by nof? port adelaide? gcs? and who'se game plan were they following?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:47 pm 
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zoneman wrote:
However you want to look at it, it's been a big day. There are some strong opinions about this and I understand people's frustration. I thought Teague, through all this process, would have been kept on. But I was wrong. Having said that, the changes in the board and the football department is encouraging. I see the split on the assessment of our list. My respectful opinion is that I think we're better than where we finished. I think SPS wasn't given the right opportunity. A much better player when he is in the midfield. Eddie Betts went into bat for him as that is my understanding and Eddie seems to have a good rapport with David Teague. There may be a couple of other guys who were mismanaged but I'm not sure.

As much as it looks a poor look getting rid of another coach, what has happened alongside is the difference here, with assistant coaches and board members going as well. I don't think this decision was taken lightly and was said with a heavy heart. David Teague is a quality person and the club knew that. I think the process to employ him was flawed and that has bitten back at the club hard.

Perhaps watch this space as to more departures.

I have a feeling that even though I wasn't into Teague going that this process will serve us a well. Sometimes you have to go through a healing crisis before you get well. I think this is our healing crisis.

Everyone have a great night.


yeah, spot one zoneman. this is the shake up we should have had when we sacked bolts

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:49 pm 
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GWS wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


So Jacob Weitering enjoys the Teague game plan that results in the ball hitting the backline every three seconds and giving the defenders next to no time to set up?

Right.

And the players thought he was going to keep his job?

Spare me.

Even Teague knew he was gone.

Obviously there’s a fair bit of bullshit in this article but regardless, if any of it has an inkling of truth I really couldn’t give a flying @#$%&! what the players think.

Not their job.

Anyone wants to take their ball and go home because they want daddy back can @#$%&! right off.

Morris is a muckraker.

Piss off idiot.



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 8:55 pm 
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The players will get over it.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:04 pm 
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The players will get over it.


Fingers crossed - trade period starts next month.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:07 pm 
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bender wrote:
GWS wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-2021-david-teague-sacked-plea-from-carlton-players-to-keep-coach-who-spoke-up-blues-players-tom-morris-news/news-story/260c34af7721b49ee66fa443468aa5ae?fbclid=IwAR3Na8d_snFc8EbXvCB6NhnzPxE_gzOlAv6vETpDmMx8VZUIR7VHn_eWc5k


So Jacob Weitering enjoys the Teague game plan that results in the ball hitting the backline every three seconds and giving the defenders next to no time to set up?

Right.

And the players thought he was going to keep his job?

Spare me.

Even Teague knew he was gone.

Obviously there’s a fair bit of bullshit in this article but regardless, if any of it has an inkling of truth I really couldn’t give a flying @#$%&! what the players think.

Not their job.

Anyone wants to take their ball and go home because they want daddy back can @#$%&! right off.

Morris is a muckraker.

Piss off idiot.



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:07 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


Brilliant LB. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:08 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/

Excellent read.

I noticed one thing they did that we should mirror with our leaders. I think we should keep Cripps as captain and have Weitering and possibly JSOS as vice captains.
That way the three areas of the ground is covered with leaders, much like the tigers.
2. Culture and Purpose.
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The result was a new three-man leadership group, with Trent Cotchin chosen as captain for a fifth season beside Alex Rance and Jack Riewoldt.

This was also interesting, I believe we have the right talent and we just need to get them in a better mental state to reach their full potential.
5. Mental Strength.
Quote:
“The players need to be in the right mental state to make good decisions during times of high stress under physical fatigue.”

We say: A huge growth area at Tigerland, with the players and coaches buying into the vision.

The Tigers’ HHH — hardship, highlight, hero — sessions, saw players, coaches and staff pour their hearts out to each other to build deeper connections.

Quote:
The Tigers didn’t have the most talented list in the competition, but they would prove to be the best team. This was a major reason why.

Our main weakness over the past couple of years, hopefully it changes and supporters can then stop blaming payers.
8. Talent Development
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“THE job of elite sporting environments is to select good people and then make them the best they can be,” Mitchell said.

“Player potential and athlete improvement should be tracked and analysed. The development process is taking them on that path, teaching them, and you need metrics around what their development has been.”


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:09 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
The players will get over it.


Yup take it or lump it, some of the on field performances were pathetic, they are well paid to deliver results , about time they take responsibility for their work rate & attitude .

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:27 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
jim wrote:
The review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by years 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

I guess you missed the part with the focus being on High Performance going forward.


:thumbsup:

We move forwarrd with an improved model.

The deficiencies have been highlighted...all 24 of them.

The steelyness of Sayers has everyone in management on their toes.

I feel Liddle and Lloyd know they've been given a chance to implement change to get this Footy Dept to the highest standard in the AFL.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:42 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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jim wrote:
The review missed the main issue. 20 years of lazy, half arsed, unmotivated playing efforts with a terrible playing culture. Just about every coach the players gave up on by years 3. Same confusion with game plans no matter who's been in charge. Players have got away with it again while the coach copped it in the neck. Means nothing will change. Next coach will be screwed in 3 years too. Hopefully we get a one year honeymoon period which might lift us over the threshold temporarily before it crashes.

I guess you missed the part with the focus being on High Performance going forward.


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We move forwarrd with an improved model.

The deficiencies have been highlighted...all 24 of them.

The steelyness of Sayers has everyone in management on their toes.

I feel Liddle and Lloyd know they've been given a chance to implement change to get this Footy Dept to the highest standard in the AFL.


100% agree.
I really like the way he handled himself in the presser and if that doesn't give people confidence that a massive change has been made, then I don't know what will.
And Liddle looked like he was put right back in place.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:42 pm 
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So, does the email mean that Lloyd is staying or just that further changes will need to be made, which may include others leaving too?


Lloyd must go. Might not happen until Lyon is made coach. Though I suspect Lloyd will step down soon.



I think the message has been made clear in the Review and what is expected under Sayers' watch.

Recommendations from the Review must be implemented. Lloys and Liddle are probably key for those to happen asap, so there's more to it, than rolling more heads. Teague, Barker, Stanton, Amos is enough for now to make change and a statement.

With Trade period on the horizon, implementing changes, finding the New coach and his new Assistants is the next big step to give potential recruits a view to the future with a stable club. Things will settle between now and the Draft. IMO, if Liddle and Lloyd don't pull their sox up by that time, I can't see them being sacked before the Draft, but I can after it before preseason gets underway.

I'm sure Sayers has plan b, c, d, and e earmarked for Liddle and Lloyd's replacement if there's a need for that to happen.

High Performance is what is expected by everyone. Hopefully its the new Carlton and sayers is going to make the cultural changes that need to be made.

Win footy games and everyone is happy. Gotta get this right. ASAP.

No time for Board spills for now. Enough blood has been shed.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:49 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Interesting snipet from the Age

Amid widespread criticism about their handling of Teague and the review process, Sayers said that it had been Teague’s preference not to bring his future to a head until the end of the season.

So is it safe to say all the rabid Media speculation was bought on by DT himself, wanting to see out the Season.

Kinda changes the entire landscape of the past few weeks. :eek: :eek: :eek:


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This in The Age?

Respect.

That's the reason no one said anything.
Teague should have said nothing given he was allowed to coach on his terms.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 9:53 pm 
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camel wrote:
london blue wrote:
Interesting read on the 2016 Richmond review - and the rest is history


https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ ... d.1181342/


Good find, thank you.

Reckon we have the most work to do in section 5 of that plan.


Interesting

I’m on section 1 & 2


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:00 pm 
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"keogh" quoted
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I disagree Cazzeman
Our recruiting is the problem more so than coaching
We have so many overrated players on our list a couple of stars and not a lot of depth in the midfield
Clearly the board thinks otherwise
Nothing has changed for me other than Sayers is a better speaker than the Blues Brother

Absolutely we want that answer
Based on the sample set it doesn’t look good
Kennedy has come on
The rest except for snippets from Dow have been huge disappointments
So is it the players DNA or the coach
The board whoever is on it think it’s the coach and the footy department that deals with players development
Not who recruited them in the first place
This is the boards view time and time again

The path the board is taking is assuming that we are actually on the right path other than the senior
Coach and an assistant
Two of the boards changes were forced Jeanne has had enough and the bloke who left has been involved in developing the facilities
His job is done
It’s the same old same old
Essendon** were forced to go to a younger team
That’s one of the reasons they have improved
They have got their drafting right

Teague had his flaws and I certainly agree defensively he was poor but the bottom line to me is our list is thin with some stars at the top
If Walsh or Weitering sustain injuries next year the new coach will really struggle
Ad nauseam we will find out



We've proven this wrong already ... now that it has rested for 2 weeks, you think you can bring it up again.

The team has more retreads than any other team in the competiton keogh.

Stick with the facts mate.

Weitering and Walsh are irreplaceable. Fact. I agree. Nothing we can do about that. Lets hope they don't, and if they do, lets hope everyone commits to selfless footy next year to cover for each other,.

Not the selfish footy they played in 2020 & 21, because as the Review exposed, the players were not encouraged to leave it all on the ground quarter to quarter let alone week to week: we could all see that.

Of course it was the players, but the coaches were part of the problem too. All the nice guys are gone...Teague, Barker, Amos, Stanton.

We need our Head coach and all coaches to be driven for maximum effort, fair, motivating and ruthlessness.

The players haven't shown anyone their best yet, not for 4 quarters, let alone 3 weeks in a row.

Now they can.

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So Jacob Weitering enjoys the Teague game plan that results in the ball hitting the backline every three seconds and giving the defenders next to no time to set up?

And has now cost him 2 AA blazers in a row.

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