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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:04 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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“Alastair’s been on record as saying he’s disgusted by the way the club (has treated Teague).


Can someone direct me to this quote from Clarko?


It is so obvious that Teague has been treated poorly. Particularly if there were approaches to Clarkson and Lyon during the season. To make matters worse, Teague has a contract in place for 2022. As I have stated previously, if there was no confidence in Teague, then he should have been formally told before the end of the season. It appears to me that this has become a process of elimination. That is, if Clarkson and Lyon didn’t accept the offer, then Teague remains coach in 2022. Although, I think Lyon will accept the offer and become our next coach.


No. I can't see the quote anywhere there.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:04 am 
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WOW wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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“Alastair’s been on record as saying he’s disgusted by the way the club (has treated Teague).


Can someone direct me to this quote from Clarko?


It is so obvious that Teague has been treated poorly. Particularly if there were approaches to Clarkson and Lyon during the season. To make matters worse, Teague has a contract in place for 2022. As I have stated previously, if there was no confidence in Teague, then he should have been formally told before the end of the season. It appears to me that this has become a process of elimination. That is, if Clarkson and Lyon didn’t accept the offer, then Teague remains coach in 2022. Although, I think Lyon will accept the offer and become our next coach.


AFL contracts run through until October each year so 'No', there was no need for CFC to sack Teague before the end of the season.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:05 am 
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WOW wrote:
Keep drinking the kool aid

Since when has asking for clarification on claims been the same as drinking the kool aid?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:05 am 
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Underperforming coach sacked, after review. No more. No less.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:07 am 
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The internet is blowing up with the news of Teague.
I've dropped in to check on Walsh and tell him, it's ok mate and to still stick around.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:07 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Well if anyone suggests Lyon didn’t conduct himself well then is deluded.

I’m pretty sure it will be on YouTube or similar tomorrow so will hunt it out.

Said he would like the opportunity to go through the process of applying for job if it became available.

Said he thought his relationship with Cerra was fine.

Regards Cazzesman



Good point.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:09 am 
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https://www.afl.com.au/news/662277/carl ... in-departs

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:09 am 
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Either way I would have liked to see him coach out one more year, I’m not convinced he was given adequate time and resources to show much.



I share that view

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:13 am 
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The club treated itself worse than Teague.

How embarrassing, to be so desperate - and for Lyon, the alternate… holy hell… where’s he at?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:17 am 
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In a sense, it was probably required as we are at ground zero and may finally learn to understand what is required to become a great football club again



Agree with the sentiment but seriously how gutting is it the number of times we have said this??

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:19 am 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
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Underperforming coach sacked, after review. No more. No less.


I agree. Teague's a nice guy but coaching is about wins and losses. If they had a table for nice guys instead of wins/losses then Carlton would be in the top 8...but unfortunately they judge seasons on wins.


A 40% win/loss ratio isn't great for a club that has Walsh, Harry McKay, Cripps, Weitering, Zac Williams, Liam Jones, Saad and Nic Newman amongst others.

Surely it isn't too much to ask for a 55%-60% win/loss ratio with a team that has players such as this.

Round 2 vs Collingwood was an abysmal loss. That defined the season imo.
Round 4 vs Gold Coast lost by 11 points
Round 6 vs Brisbane lost by 18 points
Round 8 vs Bulldogs lost by 16 points

These are the type of matches where a good coach uses his skills to direct a win.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:19 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'm comfortable that he was given the opportunity to tell his family before I was informed by the club.


Oh, his family would've been more surprised if he'd survived.....

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:22 am 
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CK95 wrote:
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Either way I would have liked to see him coach out one more year, I’m not convinced he was given adequate time and resources to show much.



I share that view

Ample time to show a bit of ticker though. At least feign some sort of understanding in the moment.

The club could re-box the runner’s GPS and sell it off as near mint.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:22 am 
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tap in 79 wrote:
Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
News:

Underperforming coach sacked, after review. No more. No less.


A 40% win/loss ratio isn't great for a club that has Walsh, Harry McKay, Cripps, Weitering, Zac Williams, Liam Jones, Saad and Nic Newman amongst others.

Surely it isn't too much to ask for a 55%-60% win/loss ratio with a team that has players such as this.

Round 2 vs Collingwood was an abysmal loss. That defined the season imo.
Round 4 vs Gold Coast lost by 11 points
Round 6 vs Brisbane lost by 18 points
Round 8 vs Bulldogs lost by 16 points

These are the type of matches where a good coach uses his skills to direct a win.



The year was abysmal. Could barely watch the last couple months. Happy for a big clean out. And six of his wins were the end of a lost season, which really flatter the record


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:28 am 
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The club remains weak at development - players, football staff.

I don’t know if he was right for the job, however over and over again we demonstrate we are not good at the ‘long’ game and sticking to a plan.

Good luck to the Carlton of old recreating itself once again over the next weeks/months/year.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:37 am 
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I feel sorry for David.
It is clear the club put a line through him weeks ago, they should have done the deed sooner instead of torturing the guy.
Plenty of coaches have been sacked before the end of the season, assistants can go and do the exit interviews.
The argument that they were waiting on Clarkson to agree to be head coach before sacking Teague doesn't hold, as Clarkson said NO and then they sacked Teague 24 hours later.
Maybe David insisted he wanted to do the exit interviews, but failing that I just don't get it.
And to be frank I am not sure I would have wanted him having 1 on 1s before he vacates the place.
I wasn't keen on keeping David because our defensive mechanism was all over the shop this year, but his sacking has been prolonged and caused an enormous amount of bad publicity which cannot be good on the Carlton brand.
All a bit too messy for my liking.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:38 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
WOW wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
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“Alastair’s been on record as saying he’s disgusted by the way the club (has treated Teague).


Can someone direct me to this quote from Clarko?


It is so obvious that Teague has been treated poorly. Particularly if there were approaches to Clarkson and Lyon during the season. To make matters worse, Teague has a contract in place for 2022. As I have stated previously, if there was no confidence in Teague, then he should have been formally told before the end of the season. It appears to me that this has become a process of elimination. That is, if Clarkson and Lyon didn’t accept the offer, then Teague remains coach in 2022. Although, I think Lyon will accept the offer and become our next coach.


AFL contracts run through until October each year so 'No', there was no need for CFC to sack Teague before the end of the season.

Regards Cazzesman


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:40 am 
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I loved Teague as a player as he always got the most out of himself.

And I was pleased when we went with him as a coach as he seemed to have the players on board and playing with a freedom we hadn’t seen in years.

But the last couple of years he’s shown next to zero ability to adapt to any sort of changes and his game day coaching is appalling with barely a move ever made in order to regain momentum in a game when it’s turned against us. And the lack of defensive system compared to 17 other clubs is so glaring it’s ridiculous.

I could cop the above if I could see some capacity to own the issues and a willingness to adapt but it’s just not there.

Add to that his public statements of the last few weeks and his manager’s bullshit and I’m actually glad to see the end of him.

Thanks for your efforts David but we need to move on.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:40 am 
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This whole affair just reaffirms why I consume zero AFL meedya.

Pot the guy all year, put his head on the block, and then cry about how poorly he was treated when the guillotine drops.

Those that get sucked in by it are just as bad.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:42 am 
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Navy One wrote:
Did I hear right? Did Caro on FC tonight mention that the Tigers would offer Teague a job?

That was pretty disrespectful, I mean he hadn't even been sacked.
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