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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:28 am 
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You can manage the media when the media is based on facts. It's a bit more difficult to manage fiction.


:lol: :lol: :lol: That is brilliant prose.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:52 am 
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The "comms game" will be determined by wins and losses. Just as it is every other week. That's the media cycle. When you win, you're an up and coming team with a great future. When you lose, you're on the slide. Usually within the space of 7 days.
"Teague's gift" was the narrative all season, now it's poor David.
Forget trying to control the media narrative and focus on making decisions that benefit the club. If we're sitting in the top 8 next season, the conversation will be very different.

The review was needed. Calling it when we did allows us to make decisions now instead of 8 weeks down the track.
Whatever Jon Ralph or anyone else thinks about that means Jack shit to me. Do what's in the clubs long term interests. Not individuals. The club.


I totally agree BV. The knives are out for the Club because it’s good copy and we are a sitting duck because of years of underperformance. The hysteria around David Teague’s mental wellbeing is also a little over the top. Facing the chop is part of the job. The media are acting like we are killing Bambi but these are the same people who through the course of the year showed endless footage of how out of step our defensive structures are and the fact that the coach has no answer to an avalanche of goals from the opposition, even after periods where we have dominated play. Unfortunately, David Teague has shown that he is out of his depth and being a good bloke is not enough to keep your job in the AFL. You need to have answers on the field.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:05 pm 
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One 5min doorstop from the incoming President could’ve changed everything.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:24 pm 
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Agree with BV re the media -they make it up are insatiable for bad news and spin it anyway they can

I also think circumstances have also dictated the comms approach

The coach is contracted for 2022
The person implemented the review was not the President at the time
The retiring President was keen for a victory lap and to shape legacy
The landscape has changed fundamentally from Clarkson unavailable to available
The issues are deeper than just the senior coach
The review was happening throughout the second half of season

I get the approach hasn’t been PWC handbook in terms of Comms but different than restructure of business as there is much more interest when it is AFL team particularly where it is an AFL giant who have underperformed for 20 odd years .


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:16 pm 
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Clarko's manager has just confirmed Clarko is not coaching in 2022 to spend time with his family.

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/exclusiv ... -c-3775871


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:35 pm 
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Really, who cares what the media thinks nor other clubs supporters. They're just angling for headlines. As mentioned, they are the same who cheer on a sacking then cry over the corpse.

I'm satisfied so far with whats happening. I'd rather they take their time and get this right than dance to the tune palyed by a bunch of media hacks.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:39 pm 
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I say let Teague coach next year. Appointing Lyon or anyone else could enforce the crash and burn culture our club has had with it's coaching apointments in recent history. Appointing Teague could be seen as a step against the philoshpy of a once great club not able to accept the reality of it's current position.

Having said this, I don't think the board will keep Teague and go for a fresh start, but how fresh a start is it?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:42 pm 
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79Vintage wrote:
I say let Teague coach next year. Appointing Lyon or anyone else could enforce the crash and burn culture our club has had with it's coaching apointments in recent history. Appointing Teague could be seen as a step against the philoshpy of a once great club not able to accept the reality of it's current position.

Having said this, I don't think the board will keep Teague and go for a fresh start, but how fresh a start is it?



Your first point may be valid - but without seeing the review in full, it may not be. If the review was damning of him, he shouldn't be retained.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:45 pm 
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I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:47 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on




I hope it's Lyon. Personally I've been leaning toward him anyway for some reason.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:47 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
79Vintage wrote:
I say let Teague coach next year. Appointing Lyon or anyone else could enforce the crash and burn culture our club has had with it's coaching apointments in recent history. Appointing Teague could be seen as a step against the philoshpy of a once great club not able to accept the reality of it's current position.

Having said this, I don't think the board will keep Teague and go for a fresh start, but how fresh a start is it?



Your first point may be valid - but without seeing the review in full, it may not be. If the review was damning of him, he shouldn't be retained.


Yes, I wonder how much of the review members will see? Hopefully when staff are retained or let go, we will be told why acccording to the outcome of the review, rather than the club just saying these staff members were good contributors to the cause. But I guess, the board's actions will speak for themselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:50 pm 
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I agree with 79V. You could retain Teague with a clear mandate that it's finals or all over, & that wouldn't be unreasonable at all.

We know he's been a rubbish coach defensively, but that doesn't mean he always will be.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:51 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on




I hope it's Lyon. Personally I've been leaning toward him anyway for some reason.



So have I - Just think he has unfinished business

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:53 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on


Kiss and make up? If Teague wants to continue coaching, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up. That performance in the after match was behaviour I'd expect from a 10 year old. Not an AFL coach.
The "woe is me" carry on was pathetic. I was in favour of him continuing but he's the one who has to change behaviour. Not to mention getting his manager to do his dirty work against the team leader.
If he's not up to it, piss him off. I'd rather start again with someone who has real leadership skills.

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jim wrote:
Clarko's manager has just confirmed Clarko is not coaching in 2022 to spend time with his family.

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/exclusiv ... -c-3775871


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:02 pm 
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Move on time to clear the decks now and get someone else not sure how Teague can be contemplated after Pickerings outburst


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Blue Vain wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on


Kiss and make up? If Teague wants to continue coaching, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up. That performance in the after match was behaviour I'd expect from a 10 year old. Not an AFL coach.
The "woe is me" carry on was pathetic. I was in favour of him continuing but he's the one who has to change behaviour. Not to mention getting his manager to do his dirty work against the team leader.
If he's not up to it, piss him off. I'd rather start again with someone who has real leadership skills.



To be honest I was feeling a bit sorry for Teague but the last week or so I don't want him there either - I agree with what you said

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:06 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Move on time to clear the decks now and get someone else not sure how Teague can be contemplated after Pickerings outburst


Agree totally. Can't see how he stays after those comments.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:06 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
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I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on


Kiss and make up? If Teague wants to continue coaching, he needs to harden the @#$%&! up. That performance in the after match was behaviour I'd expect from a 10 year old. Not an AFL coach.
The "woe is me" carry on was pathetic. I was in favour of him continuing but he's the one who has to change behaviour. Not to mention getting his manager to do his dirty work against the team leader.
If he's not up to it, piss him off. I'd rather start again with someone who has real leadership skills.


That pretty well sums up how I feel. Those two efforts against North and GC sealed the deal for me. Proactive and resolute leadership is the key here.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:08 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
I still think Lyon practically announced he was going to coach Carlton next year last wednesday
He said himself if they could get Clarkson it would be no contest

I think that is exactly what is playing out

If Teague ends up coaching there is going to have to be a lot of kiss and make up go on




I hope it's Lyon. Personally I've been leaning toward him anyway for some reason.


Was always going to be Lyon. Hopefully an announcement is made ASAP.


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