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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:51 pm 
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St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:52 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
This is a shit show!! Surely they should know by know which direction they want to take. They are creating more hysteria amoung the media, just by trying to prove a point on our time line.

Letting Teague present in the next couple of days. What a joke? What do you expect him to say, everything he says in every presser after each game. Blaming injuries and the like.

So will we get sucked in by it, and go through the same shit next year too? So all of a sudden he says something and they keep him. After all that he said about the club, looking like a sook.

Far out. Members deserve better.

They need to get on their bike and move quickly. We are just looking like a joke. Sayers is yanking our chain in my eyes.

Just get shit done Carlton. Give us some hope.

I disagree. I think this is the perfect response.

@#$%&! the media.


So it is all about the media?
Who's leading who a merry dance then?
Being beholden to the media is laughable.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:53 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah, let's wait until all the assistant coaches and quality football staff are snapped up by other clubs.
Great strategy.

With no disrespect, who would they be ?? Other than Luke powers , the other assistant coaches have been there for a while ...


I think BV means other clubs quality assistants we may be interested in hiring.


Exactly, we will get the 4am dregs now.
Way to go Sayers.

Great start.
Let's just sit on our hands a little longer.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Not to rebut you Drewgirl; if a review of the FD is what it entails, then we're talking about a lot of employees, not just Teague and Brad Lloyd, et al. It may be a lengthy process.....and as few of us have said, !@#$ the media!!! :fight:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
This is a shit show!! Surely they should know by know which direction they want to take. They are creating more hysteria amoung the media, just by trying to prove a point on our time line.

Letting Teague present in the next couple of days. What a joke? What do you expect him to say, everything he says in every presser after each game. Blaming injuries and the like.

So will we get sucked in by it, and go through the same shit next year too? So all of a sudden he says something and they keep him. After all that he said about the club, looking like a sook.

Far out. Members deserve better.

They need to get on their bike and move quickly. We are just looking like a joke. Sayers is yanking our chain in my eyes.

Just get shit done Carlton. Give us some hope.

I disagree. I think this is the perfect response.

@#$%&! the media.


So it is all about the media?
Who's leading who a merry dance then?
Being beholden to the media is laughable.

So what would you call releasing the findings prematurely because the media are frothing at the mouth? Who's leading who then?

Perhaps we actually have a process and timeline, and for once won't be pressured to rush it just because of external whining.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 2:57 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

The media can wait , Sayers wasn’t head of PWC based on making people happy !!

I really hope this guy is sleeping giant to wake this club up again …

Long way to go to show me he is different to previous nuff nuff we have had at the helm , but good start

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:02 pm 
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If Teague hasn't seen the entire review he has a right of reply

It seems the right way of going about it myself

But something still says to me they are waiting for Clarkson

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:07 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
If Teague hasn't seen the entire review he has a right of reply

It seems the right way of going about it myself

But something still says to me they are waiting for Clarkson

Disagree , Teague won’t be Coach next year no matter what

But it’s a process it’s that simple but as afl supporters , and Carlton supporters we ain’t conditioned to be patient

We want blood immediately…

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:08 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

I doubt they are doing this to get one up on the media.
It's more likely they are doing the process they have chosen to do in the timeline they have allocated.
Jumping at shadows because the Saints have culled their coaches isn't going to give us one up, it's going to put us back where we were.
If Teague remains (let's hope not) I'm sure he is aware or has an idea of who he wants around him and has probably spoken to them at some point during the year.
If we get another coach I'm sure he knows who he wants and has already done the same in the last couple of weeks also.
Either way, the Saints have probably spoken to people well before today and they'll either be assessing their options or have already made their minds up.
Let's all take a chill pill and wait and see how this plays out.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:12 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah, let's wait until all the assistant coaches and quality football staff are snapped up by other clubs.
Great strategy.

With no disrespect, who would they be ?? Other than Luke powers , the other assistant coaches have been there for a while ...


I think BV means other clubs quality assistants we may be interested in hiring.


Correct.
This gives us an opportunity to approach potential staff now. Not wait another 6 weeks for a post season review to conclude.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:24 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah, let's wait until all the assistant coaches and quality football staff are snapped up by other clubs.
Great strategy.

With no disrespect, who would they be ?? Other than Luke powers , the other assistant coaches have been there for a while ...


I think BV means other clubs quality assistants we may be interested in hiring.


Correct.
This gives us an opportunity to approach potential staff now. Not wait another 6 weeks for a post season review to conclude.

If it's 6 weeks, I'll be losing my $h!T with the everyone else.
But one would assume it will mostly be done and dusted by the end of the week.
Plus we can't sack everyone without some form of a back up plan, surely not.

And if we somehow get Clarkson (which a few will be waiting to find out what he's doing), we'll be beating potential assistants off with a stick.

Just my opinion on it all.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:41 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

The media can wait , Sayers wasn’t head of PWC based on making people happy !!

I really hope this guy is sleeping giant to wake this club up again …

Long way to go to show me he is different to previous nuff nuff we have had at the helm , but good start


PWC means little when he has also been on the board during a period of time when several coaches would have been sacked.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:42 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

The media can wait , Sayers wasn’t head of PWC based on making people happy !!

I really hope this guy is sleeping giant to wake this club up again …

Long way to go to show me he is different to previous nuff nuff we have had at the helm , but good start


Sleeping might be right.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:42 pm 
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I think as a general comment, moving a coach on is never easy & always, seriously always, has some sections of supporters and/or media claiming it was handled terribly.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:44 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
This is a shit show!! Surely they should know by know which direction they want to take. They are creating more hysteria amoung the media, just by trying to prove a point on our time line.

Letting Teague present in the next couple of days. What a joke? What do you expect him to say, everything he says in every presser after each game. Blaming injuries and the like.

So will we get sucked in by it, and go through the same shit next year too? So all of a sudden he says something and they keep him. After all that he said about the club, looking like a sook.

Far out. Members deserve better.

They need to get on their bike and move quickly. We are just looking like a joke. Sayers is yanking our chain in my eyes.

Just get shit done Carlton. Give us some hope.

I disagree. I think this is the perfect response.

@#$%&! the media.


So it is all about the media?
Who's leading who a merry dance then?
Being beholden to the media is laughable.

So what would you call releasing the findings prematurely because the media are frothing at the mouth? Who's leading who then?

Perhaps we actually have a process and timeline, and for once won't be pressured to rush it just because of external whining.


Who said anything about premature.

Surely they know the findings.

So release them, and act on them.

Why wait?

A Process & Timeline is fine.
My argument is they are being slow with the timeline.
I don't want Teague to be coach next year but I do feel sorry he is being asked to wait and wait.
They may have a process for who they appoint to replace who, but logic suggests a degree of urgency is required to ensure you don't miss out the best replacements.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:45 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Yeah, let's wait until all the assistant coaches and quality football staff are snapped up by other clubs.
Great strategy.

With no disrespect, who would they be ?? Other than Luke powers , the other assistant coaches have been there for a while ...


I think BV means other clubs quality assistants we may be interested in hiring.


Correct.
This gives us an opportunity to approach potential staff now. Not wait another 6 weeks for a post season review to conclude.

If it's 6 weeks, I'll be losing my $h!T with the everyone else.
But one would assume it will mostly be done and dusted by the end of the week.
Plus we can't sack everyone without some form of a back up plan, surely not.

And if we somehow get Clarkson (which a few will be waiting to find out what he's doing), we'll be beating potential assistants off with a stick.

Just my opinion on it all.


They need not hold off on Teague because they are waiting for Clarkson.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:56 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I think as a general comment, moving a coach on is never easy & always, seriously always, has some sections of supporters and/or media claiming it was handled terribly.


I agree CK but it's a bit rich of the coaches and their minions crying foul. Every year there are dozens of players who are waiting until the last minute of trade period to see if they have retained their spot on the list. Many just miss out and their dream is often over.
I don't hear the coaches complaining about that process and how players are treated so poorly. Many with the coaches actively involved in the decision making.

Yet we're supposed to have great sympathy because a coach isn't told of his role the Monday following the last game? I feel for Teague but he knows the system as well as anyone and has been there actively exploiting others.
Lot's of hypocrisy in the media today IMHO.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:02 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

The media can wait , Sayers wasn’t head of PWC based on making people happy !!

I really hope this guy is sleeping giant to wake this club up again …

Long way to go to show me he is different to previous nuff nuff we have had at the helm , but good start


PWC means little when he has also been on the board during a period of time when several coaches would have been sacked.

It’s about building blocks potentially, and I’m with you he was part of malt house appointment and everything that followed on from there but it does take time to get to the top , in the corporate world and footy world

It’s about building relations , and now he is on top , maybe he will different in a good way , like I said he has along way to go to get our trust but at least he is telling the media , all decisions will
Be announced when he / Board sees fit

Nothing wrong with that …

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:04 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
CK95 wrote:
I think as a general comment, moving a coach on is never easy & always, seriously always, has some sections of supporters and/or media claiming it was handled terribly.


I agree CK but it's a bit rich of the coaches and their minions crying foul. Every year there are dozens of players who are waiting until the last minute of trade period to see if they have retained their spot on the list. Many just miss out and their dream is often over.
I don't hear the coaches complaining about that process and how players are treated so poorly. Many with the coaches actively involved in the decision making.

Yet we're supposed to have great sympathy because a coach isn't told of his role the Monday following the last game? I feel for Teague but he knows the system as well as anyone and has been there actively exploiting others.
Lot's of hypocrisy in the media today IMHO.



Can't argue with that BV. As I said earlier, Kingy & Gerard were quite pathetic this morning on SEN.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:13 pm 
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Reading the article now in The AGE it seems they want Teague to be part of the Process and as part of that explain why he should keep his job.

This to me smells of a reaction to Teague and his manager taking swipes at the club in recent days.

Assuming the review is damning on the head coach, it is hard to believe the club would not sack him irrespective of what he says when he gets his chance to present to the board.

Which makes all of this one big charade.


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