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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:56 am 
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jim wrote:
https://www.afl.com.au/news/669894/blues-tell-members-teague-decision-won-t-be-rushed


interesting reading

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:00 pm 
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Frankly, I don't care what King says. He makes stuff up as he goes along and pretends it is all part of some deep thinking he's applied. And then says the opposite thing a few days later.
Whately is barracking for the story. No problem with him but in this instance he is a little off base.
I think this is primarily about letting the individuals know their fate first, rather than having them hear about it from the media.

It is a bit amateurish not to have the process all sorted in advance but then again, I'm not sure Sayers or anyone from the Board had committed to making this all public today. I think he had just said that he'll let the members know first.

I don't think it will change the outcome. I don't believe that keeping or getting rid of Teague depends on whether Clarkson is available.
I do think they'll want to tell all the relevant people individually and avoid them finding out via the media.

The order would be:
- Work out what we are doing based on the review outcomes
- Lay out the processes to come - e.g. the process for hiring new coach, head of football etc...
- Tell the individuals of their fate
- Some sort of internal communication (meeting or other, laying out the outcomes and overall strategy going forward)
- Report the high level outcomes of the review to the members, key personnel decisions, and process going forward
- Send out similar press release to the media (probably at the same time as email to members b/c as soon as that email goes out, the media will effectively get it anyway)
- Face media scrutiny about every decision, when the decision was made, who was told and when... a standard grilling that will position the Board in the worst possible light.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:11 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
I think it is part of due process I think it is appropriate to ask the present incumbents what is their response to the findings and given an opportunity to defend or advocate their position in contrast with the review findings

Then even if you make the decision ultimately to terminate you have given these people a chance to respond to the criticism in the report

I also agree that for too long we have danced to media tune and you can’t win with them any way

This is a pretty much standard HR procedure for ALL companies and organisations.
We seem to be more professional than the media and some are willing to accept, it doesn't suit the narrative I guess.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:12 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
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azzablue wrote:
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Is he sacked yet? :roll:

Are you still here ?? Tick Tock tick tock


So is he sacked yet - thought it was going to happen in the morning - that's what you said

Will be ironic if the bloke you hate is the saviour of the bloke you’re devoted to. Will you bow down before Sayers if he doesn’t kill your Bambi?


Ridiculous post.

Sayers is already on my shitlist. But will not bag the guy willingly like some of you neanderthals like doing.

He made a rookie error based on emotion and needs to make amends - to me, that's weak.
As for Teague - he has been outright mistreated, humiliated, hanged out to dry, by a rookie that has absolute no experience managing a board of a listed company. He is Mickey Mouse until proven otherwise.

Who is being hysterical now?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:14 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Admitedly I don't exactly how the soft cap works, but if we sack him, presumably his payout goes towards our soft cap.
If he resigns it doesn't? Maybe we are just trying to drag this out as painfully as possible for him (death by a thousand cuts) in the hope he'll just say stuff it, I resign and it wont go towards our soft cap?



I hope that's not the case. If it is, then Kingy is right & we have treated Teague with no respect

I tend to agree with Frank & others - we're actually following a decent process here. This narrative about today absolutely being decision day was created by the media only, & that's why their noses are out of joint. A few extra days is not going to sink the club.

Anyway, the outcome still might be that he stays on for 2022 :grin:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:16 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Admitedly I don't exactly how the soft cap works, but if we sack him, presumably his payout goes towards our soft cap.
If he resigns it doesn't? Maybe we are just trying to drag this out as painfully as possible for him (death by a thousand cuts) in the hope he'll just say stuff it, I resign and it wont go towards our soft cap?



I hope that's not the case. If it is, then Kingy is right & we have treated Teague with no respect

I tend to agree with Frank & others - we're actually following a decent process here. This narrative about today absolutely being decision day was created by the media only, & that's why their noses are out of joint. A few extra days is not going to sink the club.

Anyway, the outcome still might be that he stays on for 2022 :grin:

I hope not, but exactly.
The only people that know is the board and soon to be the staff, who should always know first.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:20 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Admitedly I don't exactly how the soft cap works, but if we sack him, presumably his payout goes towards our soft cap.
If he resigns it doesn't? Maybe we are just trying to drag this out as painfully as possible for him (death by a thousand cuts) in the hope he'll just say stuff it, I resign and it wont go towards our soft cap?

Teague’s salary will count, plus the additional salary that his replacement will be paid (since he’s worth more), same goes for the assistants that are replaced AND the new Head of Football, should there be one.

The tax for spending over the cap is makey-uppy, but is expected to be 50c on the dollar.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:21 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Amazing how the blokes who have been potting him all year suddenly feel sorry for him and think he’s been poorly treated.


^—— most media commentators who've been trying to grab some eyeballs at the expense of this club and it's personnel. while I often agree with Damian Barrett the guy has to produce five headlines a day, he a smart guy in a hack's business. as for Kane Cornes, he's as transparent as a 1mm pane of glass in his schadenfreude and his hatred of the blues.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:26 pm 
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If Clarko's going to be available in 2023, after a year's break, Teague may get to see out his contract.

Be interesting if we somehow won 13 or 14 games then...lol.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:26 pm 
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In fact it would be more disrespectful not to allow Teague to respond to the report
He needs to be able to challenge the report
The additional advantage of this is the board then can say they made their decision after not just getting the report but after hearing what the coach has to say in response ie in making the decisions they have all the information required including the response of the coach to the report and it’s findings

They can also say that a decision was not made until the had all evidence including the coaches presumably counter -arguments in response to the review

This is smart by Sayers and no amount of media baying for someone’s blood or Kingus hand wringing and Gerards moral compass bleatings detract from that

If the had any semblance of how these things should be done properly and according to due process they would be supporting Sayers approach


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:28 pm 
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Sidefx wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
I think it is part of due process I think it is appropriate to ask the present incumbents what is their response to the findings and given an opportunity to defend or advocate their position in contrast with the review findings

Then even if you make the decision ultimately to terminate you have given these people a chance to respond to the criticism in the report

I also agree that for too long we have danced to media tune and you can’t win with them any way

This is a pretty much standard HR procedure for ALL companies and organisations.
We seem to be more professional than the media and some are willing to accept, it doesn't suit the narrative I guess.

Exactly !! Sayers setting his standards early and the won’t be bullied by the afl media who need headlines for the news stations ...

Interesting Sam Maclure and Caroline Wilson have been quiet all day ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:28 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Admitedly I don't exactly how the soft cap works, but if we sack him, presumably his payout goes towards our soft cap.
If he resigns it doesn't? Maybe we are just trying to drag this out as painfully as possible for him (death by a thousand cuts) in the hope he'll just say stuff it, I resign and it wont go towards our soft cap?



I hope that's not the case. If it is, then Kingy is right & we have treated Teague with no respect

I tend to agree with Frank & others - we're actually following a decent process here. This narrative about today absolutely being decision day was created by the media only, & that's why their noses are out of joint. A few extra days is not going to sink the club.

Anyway, the outcome still might be that he stays on for 2022 :grin:


You also have to factor in what Teague said after the GWS game about the administration of our club and how little support he felt came his way when the media vultures were circling his — not yet — but potential corpse. Good card for Teague to play, the only card he had probably but played it well, difficult to say those things in the right way and leave a chance to play on.

The board might be either giving him a formal chance to respond to the review and critique it, which would be standard practice in a legitimate business context I'd have thought, even if their minds are already made up (which they probably are otherwise why public announce an unprecedented mid-year review?!), or giving the appearance of "due process" while checking out all their soft-cap options and other angle behind the scenes. And even a back channel calling Clackson one more time to see if a secret delayed appointment in a years time is a possibility. (You'd have to wonder if Teague would take such a poison chalice after what he's been through with the self-absorbed morons on our board who cooked this whole mess up)


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:30 pm 
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jim wrote:
If Clarko's going to be available in 2023, after a year's break, Teague may get to see out his contract.

Be interesting if we somehow won 13 or 14 games then...lol.

There is no field of dreams for Teague ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:31 pm 
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jim wrote:
If Clarko's going to be available in 2023, after a year's break, Teague may get to see out his contract.

Be interesting if we somehow won 13 or 14 games then...lol.


Dream scenario, Teague eats a shit sandwich and stays on as coach then we go deep into finals and injuries aren't a big deal in determining on-field results next year! I can dream right? :razz:


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:33 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
If Clarko's going to be available in 2023, after a year's break, Teague may get to see out his contract.

Be interesting if we somehow won 13 or 14 games then...lol.

There is no field of dreams for Teague ...


Shall see what happens.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:39 pm 
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Here's a snapshot of why this maggot has no class and no style. If drip lyon get's to be our coach, I stop caring.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/ ... de=premium

I don't have access to The Filth website and it's pay-walled crap. But the caption and image say it all.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:50 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Here's a snapshot of why this maggot has no class and no style. If drip lyon get's to be our coach, I stop caring.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/ ... de=premium

I don't have access to The Filth website and it's pay-walled crap. But the caption and image say it all.


Why he's only stating the bleeding obvious.

Did Teague have any class and style when Bolton was under the gun? What did he and his fellow assistants do to help Bolton out of his jam? What fantastic game plan did they throw up? What extra work did they do to help develop the players?

Teague walked on Bolton's carcass as he accepted the interim job. He was no better a coach than what Bolton may have been. Bolton played the kids rightly or wrongly as instructed. A lot of the heavy lifting was done and in return plenty of Bolton undermining towards the end of his tenure.

All's fair in love and war.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:54 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Here's a snapshot of why this maggot has no class and no style. If drip lyon get's to be our coach, I stop caring.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/ ... de=premium

I don't have access to The Filth website and it's pay-walled crap. But the caption and image say it all.


Why he's only stating the bleeding obvious.

Did Teague have any class and style when Bolton was under the gun? What did he and his fellow assistants do to help Bolton out of his jam? What fantastic game plan did they throw up? What extra work did they do to help develop the players?

Teague walked on Bolton's carcass as he accepted the interim job. He was no better a coach than what Bolton may have been. Bolton played the kids rightly or wrongly as instructed. A lot of the heavy lifting was done and in return plenty of Bolton undermining towards the end of his tenure.

All's fair in love and war.


Fallacy - it was the players that wanted Bolton out.

Nothing to do with Teague.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:00 pm 
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Re the soft Cap issue.

Like the Hawks with Clarkson I guess it is the same deal. If Clarkson has the year off the Hawks pay him and it goes in the soft cap. If he Coaches Carlton on the same money (give or take) the Hawks don't have to put it in their soft cap.

I presume if Teaguey gets another job somewhere, it will be the identical istuation. So if DT goes, hope like heck he gets another job ASAP.

Happy to be proven wrong...............again. :eek:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:02 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Here's a snapshot of why this maggot has no class and no style. If drip lyon get's to be our coach, I stop caring.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/ ... de=premium

I don't have access to The Filth website and it's pay-walled crap. But the caption and image say it all.


Why he's only stating the bleeding obvious.

Did Teague have any class and style when Bolton was under the gun? What did he and his fellow assistants do to help Bolton out of his jam? What fantastic game plan did they throw up? What extra work did they do to help develop the players?

Teague walked on Bolton's carcass as he accepted the interim job. He was no better a coach than what Bolton may have been. Bolton played the kids rightly or wrongly as instructed. A lot of the heavy lifting was done and in return plenty of Bolton undermining towards the end of his tenure.

All's fair in love and war.


Fallacy - it was the players that wanted Bolton out.

Nothing to do with Teague.


You really do believe what you want to do believe,,

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