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Who should coach us next year?
Brad Scott 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Michael Voss 20%  20%  [ 19 ]
Mark Williams 11%  11%  [ 11 ]
Don Pyke 22%  22%  [ 21 ]
Danny Daly 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Scott Burns 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Giansiracusa 5%  5%  [ 5 ]
Jaymie Graham 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Adam Kingsley 16%  16%  [ 16 ]
Adam Yze 3%  3%  [ 3 ]
Nigel Lappin 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Jarrad Schofield 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Steven King 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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So no assistant coaches then?

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GWS wrote:
jezzarules wrote:

https://twitter.com/UptheBaggers/status ... 1378131969


So no assistant coaches then?


:lol: :lol: Hope she is paying the Taxes on the Soft Cap because she has well and truly rooted that . :yikes: :yikes:

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Cazzesman wrote:
GWS wrote:
jezzarules wrote:

https://twitter.com/UptheBaggers/status ... 1378131969


So no assistant coaches then?


:lol: :lol: Hope she is paying the Taxes on the Soft Cap because she has well and truly rooted that . :yikes: :yikes:

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Nah that's Matheson.


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deano35 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
GWS wrote:
jezzarules wrote:

https://twitter.com/UptheBaggers/status ... 1378131969


So no assistant coaches then?


:lol: :lol: Hope she is paying the Taxes on the Soft Cap because she has well and truly rooted that . :yikes: :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


Nah that's Matheson.


If true, therein lies your proof that the current board just don’t get it.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 8:58 pm 
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Yep, no one pays anything outside the caps. Just doesn’t happen......


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2021 9:12 pm 
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If it was someone different I would take Kingsley from what I have heard

But to be honest Cazzeman I would keep Teague and do something different
Honour a coaching contract
Get the right assistants
I named a few
If it doesn’t work then search for someone
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My answer to the subject title of this thread is - I have no idea.

What I will say is that I feel like we’ve seen this movie before. Bringing in a ‘name’ coach hasn’t worked for us since Parkin (see Pagan, Malthouse). Mind you, we have chewed up & spat out some young coaches too (see Brittain, Ratten, Bolton).

I just hope that there is a genuine and thorough process to match an appointment with the club’s needs as identified during the review. I hate to think we would appoint a messiah without any testing of whether that person (no matter their history) is the right fit for the type of coach we need to lead the type of coaching structure we want to have.

I have no idea if Ross is the right fit because I don’t have access to the information to make that judgement. If he is the right fit, fantastic. But I do hope we’re not closing our minds to other (ie. untried) options just because it didn’t work out with Bolton and Teague.
Good post Sue. If memory serves, you were one of only a few posters who had reservations amid the excitement when we appointed Teague. So I like your judgement.

One other point to consider...the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

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Anyway, if we choose Ross, Lyon street will go off...

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the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

Very good point CK. The key is they went through a process. Maybe instead of just going all in on Clarkson we should look at who is going to be our ‘Clarkson’.

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Anyway, if we choose Ross, Lyon street will go off...

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you have had that one in the back pocket for sometime im sure!! :grin:


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the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

Very good point CK. The key is they went through a process. Maybe instead of just going all in on Clarkson we should look at who is going to be our ‘Clarkson’.



Yeah I know. But really I flip flop on this so much...I'm so glad it's not me making the decision.

For example here's one just to add a bit of confusion into the mix. When Leigh Matthews got the Brisbane Lions job, he went up there, no laptop, no Powerpoint, no nothing. He interviewed them. For about 20 minutes. And then got the job.

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you have had that one in the back pocket for sometime im sure!! :grin:



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Anyway, if we choose Ross, Lyon street will go off...

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Wait, we’re considering Peter Street too?


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CK95 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

Very good point CK. The key is they went through a process. Maybe instead of just going all in on Clarkson we should look at who is going to be our ‘Clarkson’.



Yeah I know. But really I flip flop on this so much...I'm so glad it's not me making the decision.

For example here's one just to add a bit of confusion into the mix. When Leigh Matthews got the Brisbane Lions job, he went up there, no laptop, no Powerpoint, no nothing. He interviewed them. For about 20 minutes. And then got the job.


Similar story to Parko.

He was up for the Sydney job and the Carlton job. He sat down with both and asked where they thought they were at. Sydney tried to sell it to him that they weren’t far away and that he’d be the icing on the cake. Elliott said we’re pretty bloody rubbish.

He went with the truth.

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CK95 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

Very good point CK. The key is they went through a process. Maybe instead of just going all in on Clarkson we should look at who is going to be our ‘Clarkson’.



Yeah I know. But really I flip flop on this so much...I'm so glad it's not me making the decision.

For example here's one just to add a bit of confusion into the mix. When Leigh Matthews got the Brisbane Lions job, he went up there, no laptop, no Powerpoint, no nothing. He interviewed them. For about 20 minutes. And then got the job.

Yeah, but that was over 20 years ago and I reckon he was the last premiership coach appointed that way. I don’t think of that approach when I think of how the likes of Hardwick, Clarkson & Beveridge were appointed.

Here’s something else to throw out there - Geelong undertook a significant review in 2006 and everyone thought the coach (Thompson) was gone. He was reappointed and they won the flag the next year. Collingwood undertook a review in 2017 and Buckley looked gone, but they reappointed him and they played in the GF in 2018. Those examples are fodder for the argument to retain Teague and surround him with a new support team.

I guess my point is that it’s possible to find a successful precedent for any approach, but I tend to think that the higher percentage option is to run a proper process rather than appoint a ‘name’ based on previous achievements.

I’m also glad it’s not me making the decision! :thumbsup:

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aboynamedsue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
CK95 wrote:
the Hawks were a bee's dick from appointing the name coach (Wallace) before cooler heads & a thorough process prevailed & they went for the newbie (Clarkson)

Very good point CK. The key is they went through a process. Maybe instead of just going all in on Clarkson we should look at who is going to be our ‘Clarkson’.



Yeah I know. But really I flip flop on this so much...I'm so glad it's not me making the decision.

For example here's one just to add a bit of confusion into the mix. When Leigh Matthews got the Brisbane Lions job, he went up there, no laptop, no Powerpoint, no nothing. He interviewed them. For about 20 minutes. And then got the job.

Yeah, but that was over 20 years ago and I reckon he was the last premiership coach appointed that way. I don’t think of that approach when I think of how the likes of Hardwick, Clarkson & Beveridge were appointed.

Here’s something else to throw out there - Geelong undertook a significant review in 2006 and everyone thought the coach (Thompson) was gone. He was reappointed and they won the flag the next year. Collingwood undertook a review in 2017 and Buckley looked gone, but they reappointed him and they played in the GF in 2018. Those examples are fodder for the argument to retain Teague and surround him with a new support team.

I guess my point is that it’s possible to find a successful precedent for any approach, but I tend to think that the higher percentage option is to run a proper process rather than appoint a ‘name’ based on previous achievements.

I’m also glad it’s not me making the decision! :thumbsup:


Proper process
But the proper people conducting the search and interviews
Neither has happened except in the case of Bolton and the process

It comes back to these group of people the board that stuff things up
It’s like finding a new road that always ends at a dead end

Of course the club may strike it lucky but plays a bigger part when you have the wrong people at the top
Happened time and time again where I worked
No different probably worse at an AFL club

Ross Lyon would be a disaster
There would be a honeymoon period then the wheels would fall off

I think Clarkson would be a better choice if they were the only two in it on two fronts
Clarkson is a hard arse but has a compassionate person as well. To be a good leader you need to act differently with different people. What works for one player won’t work for another. Lyon is Lyon no matter who he communicates with players

I also think Clarko has a better grasp of how good players are . Lyon in his time as coach has ignored certain players yet played Zac Dawson every week.

I believe you have to have a proper process and find out which coach is going to be innovative.
This is so important
BV made an excellent point that the innovations that work are gold nuggets

Lyon clearly didn’t change
Clarkson has adapted over time
I do want the best coach
It looks like the board arnt going down this path
I guess next week will tell the tale


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Clarkson has been enormous at Hawthorn but it sounds like he needs a year off. His belly must be pretty full too. At least Lyon should be hungry for success.

As I’ve said previously, I have no idea what the best option is but I hope the solution follows a proper process and is a measured decision based on more than “he was successful at another club so we should get him” (AKA the Malthouse/Pagan appointment approach).

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