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Walsh
PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2021 8:18 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Of course we will if he is coach in 2022 we barrack for the team not the coach but obviously hopes the coach does well

There is nothing personal about it apart from not performing
Ultimately if board and CEO think he has performed adequately and give him another year I will be supporting the team and hoping he does well
Having said that I don’t think there are any circumstances under which he is coaching Carlton after Saturday


Good tyo hear but wouldn't expect anything less from you Frank. You're that kinda guy.
Well you might be surprised.

What I think will happen is
- list management is a difficult one - as the club was hoping Williams will be our gun midfielder. So they will get a slap on the wrist for that to improve - put it down to rookie error by Austin.
- senior coaching support - this club desperately needs a Choco as senior assistant. Like Longmire has Pyke... perhaps he can get Lyon to counterbalance Teague's aggressive game plan.
- football director - goes without saying. Judd has been missing since round three. Neither Lloyd nor Teague could communicate at a higher level as Judd was MIA. No point communicating with non football people like Liddle needs to straight to the board.

Haha let’s bet ?? On this

Ofc your answer will be no , you are so gutless


You made the bet by yourself - so have fun - with yourself.
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Cazzesman
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Walsh wrote:
What I think will happen is
- list management is a difficult one - as the club was hoping Williams will be our gun midfielder. So they will get a slap on the wrist for that to improve - put it down to rookie error by Austin.

Austin has been in the system long enough to not be given a pass on a so called 'Rookie Mistake.' There was plenty on noise about Williams not having the tank to play On Ball.

- senior coaching support - this club desperately needs a Choco as senior assistant. Like Longmire has Pyke... perhaps he can get Lyon to counterbalance Teague's aggressive game plan.

Sorry but Teaghey has been in the AFL Coaching System long enough not to need someone to hold his hand. Teaghey kept those Assistants on with him so he must have thought they were up to the task. Buck stops with him if they can't cut it.



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@#$%&! me - I'm just a lay person who watches footy a bit and I was calling out the Williams shit last year. These blokes are paid to know this stuff.

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Cazzesman wrote:
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What I think will happen is
- list management is a difficult one - as the club was hoping Williams will be our gun midfielder. So they will get a slap on the wrist for that to improve - put it down to rookie error by Austin.

Austin has been in the system long enough to not be given a pass on a so called 'Rookie Mistake.' There was plenty on noise about Williams not having the tank to play On Ball.

- senior coaching support - this club desperately needs a Choco as senior assistant. Like Longmire has Pyke... perhaps he can get Lyon to counterbalance Teague's aggressive game plan.

Sorry but Teaghey has been in the AFL Coaching System long enough not to need someone to hold his hand. Teaghey kept those Assistants on with him so he must have thought they were up to the task. Buck stops with him if they can't cut it.



Regards Cazzesman


Austin's responsibility pulling the trigger.... and I havent seen Williams play a good game in midfield. This is a bad error. He came at the club to play midfield - Austin should have shown fortitude and say no he's a half back - the list is his responsibility. Hope he doesn't make the same mistake twice.

Majority of coaches have senior coaching assistants especially young coaches. Young coaches come up with the ideas without senior coaching there is no one to harness them. Senior coaches are set in their old ways capable of nothing other than past trends.
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Majority of coaches have senior coaching assistants especially young coaches. Young coaches come up with the ideas without senior coaching there is no one to harness them. Senior coaches are set in their old ways capable of nothing other than past trends.


That is just an exaggerated, grandiose statement that says nothing of fact. You might as have posted…’Everybody says.’

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Looks like a parting shot


He's exiting with no pride or dignity IMHO

If only he'd shown this much passion in the coaching box or at his pressers

He'd not our man going forward...time to move on

Absolutely agree with that , his last 2 pre match press conferences , have been hilarious to watch

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Cazzesman wrote:
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Majority of coaches have senior coaching assistants especially young coaches. Young coaches come up with the ideas without senior coaching there is no one to harness them. Senior coaches are set in their old ways capable of nothing other than past trends.


That is just an exaggerated, grandiose statement that says nothing of fact. You might as have posted…’Everybody says.’

Regards Cazzesman


We know people like you go in a frenzy when Lyon's name came up. But most successful modern day coaches are those with a long successful apprenticeship that managed their own teams.

The reason Buckley failed and Beveridge succeeded.

Old coaches will bring nothing new to the table. Chris Scott brand is vanilla solid football that won't win a flag and Ken Hinkley hasn't been successful either.

Longmire has an academy and done nothing with it.

So need a coach that thinks outside the square.

Lyon should have been our coach in 2013 when Ratts was sacked. His time is gone and has failed.
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azzablue
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Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:

Majority of coaches have senior coaching assistants especially young coaches. Young coaches come up with the ideas without senior coaching there is no one to harness them. Senior coaches are set in their old ways capable of nothing other than past trends.


That is just an exaggerated, grandiose statement that says nothing of fact. You might as have posted…’Everybody says.’

Regards Cazzesman

Thank you for calling him out , he does it all the time , generalisations and then unrelenting harps on it

I wish he could Stalk dictator Dan , with that much passion

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Well.............the Dogs may bark , but the Caravan rolls on .

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We know people like you go in a frenzy when Lyon's name came up.


WTF does that mean? People like you! :confused: :confused:

You mean a 6’ 5”, cross dressing, hermaphrodite? Just don’t tell Mrs Caz, I haven’t told her yet. :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

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Cazzesman wrote:
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We know people like you go in a frenzy when Lyon's name came up.


WTF does that mean? People like you! :confused: :confused:

You mean a 6’ 5”, cross dressing, hermaphrodite? Just don’t tell Mrs Caz, I haven’t told her yet. :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


He means Star Trek followers...... :razz:
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She thinks I’m only 6’. :razz:

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See I think the review will have its interviews and whatnot and will find out

a. the list isn't good enough
b. development and environment is at a professional standard
c. game plan is maybe too aggressive but that should be fine
d. relationships with players is excellent
e. list management has let the coaching group down and expectations are unrealistic

I predicted between 12-6 as I don't rate the list and think the attacking game plan kept us in games as applied score board pressure.

Don't have the midfield to compete which is bluntly obvious.

I predict 10-6 next year on the proviso we recruit better - much better - midfield talent.

If not then its 12-6

The way I see it.

And yet we currently sit 13th with the possibility of finishing up 14th behind......you guessed it, Hawthorn. Go figure.
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Mickstar
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frank dardew wrote:
Of course we will if he is coach in 2022 we barrack for the team not the coach but obviously hopes the coach does well

There is nothing personal about it apart from not performing
Ultimately if board and CEO think he has performed adequately and give him another year I will be supporting the team and hoping he does well
Having said that I don’t think there are any circumstances under which he is coaching Carlton after Saturday


Thats the way Frank ................love your kindly way Frank . Never nasty , never vicious .

Yep , no matter who gets the gig , i'll be fronting up and dip into my kick and hand over the hard earnt for that membership.

The way i see it , your loyal or you aint . No such thing as 99 per cent loyal .

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Sidefx wrote:
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See I think the review will have its interviews and whatnot and will find out

a. the list isn't good enough
b. development and environment is at a professional standard
c. game plan is maybe too aggressive but that should be fine
d. relationships with players is excellent
e. list management has let the coaching group down and expectations are unrealistic

I predicted between 12-6 as I don't rate the list and think the attacking game plan kept us in games as applied score board pressure.

Don't have the midfield to compete which is bluntly obvious.

I predict 10-6 next year on the proviso we recruit better - much better - midfield talent.

If not then its 12-6

The way I see it.

And yet we currently sit 13th with the possibility of finishing up 14th behind......you guessed it, Hawthorn. Go figure.


Believe it or not - despite the results weren't there we had a solid year. When you have so many rookies playing so many games and not finished bottom four is a small miracle.

Polar opposite if no rookies played games and had full list on the park every week. Midfield still incredibly weak though. So I think 10th is about right even with a healthy list.

12-13 is about right with a crippled list.
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Anyhow , stickin" by your mates is a great Aussie tradition ,so , good on you for that Walshy ...........you are worrying for nothing Pal , he will bob in another gig for sure . Quality bloke .

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Anyhow , stickin" by your mates is a great Aussie tradition ,so , good on you for that Walshy ...........you are worrying for nothing Pal , he will bob in another gig for sure . Quality bloke .


Mickstar - it's not me it's the club will be making another huge mistake.
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Anyhow , stickin" by your mates is a great Aussie tradition ,so , good on you for that Walshy ...........you are worrying for nothing Pal , he will bob in another gig for sure . Quality bloke .


Mickstar - it's not me it's the club will be making another huge mistake.


Fairs fair Walshy , he hasn't been the catastrophe some make out , but he aint set the world on fire either ................

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Cazzesman wrote:
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We know people like you go in a frenzy when Lyon's name came up.


WTF does that mean? People like you! :confused: :confused:

You mean a 6’ 5”, cross dressing, hermaphrodite? Just don’t tell Mrs Caz, I haven’t told her yet. :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:

Regards Cazzesman


it means when someone questions his almighty knowledge, he starts slinging mud, coz thats the best he can do, rather thn argue rationally.

for example - buckley failed as a coach because he didnt do a long apprenticeship??? please,how long was he under malthouse for???

he is like sunscreen, our walshy - a great deflector

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See I think the review will have its interviews and whatnot and will find out

a. the list isn't good enough
b. development and environment is at a professional standard
c. game plan is maybe too aggressive but that should be fine
d. relationships with players is excellent
e. list management has let the coaching group down and expectations are unrealistic

I predicted between 12-6 as I don't rate the list and think the attacking game plan kept us in games as applied score board pressure.

Don't have the midfield to compete which is bluntly obvious.

I predict 10-6 next year on the proviso we recruit better - much better - midfield talent.

If not then its 12-6

The way I see it.

And yet we currently sit 13th with the possibility of finishing up 14th behind......you guessed it, Hawthorn. Go figure.


yeah, that hack clarkson, so washed up, with a rusted on game plan and no flexibility.....

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