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The argument of just having kids is relevant
But it’s the philosophy of recruiting the Carlton way that I have disagreed with for a long time
And it shows in the results
There is your proof
A new coach will make little difference
The list is not good enough
Essendon* have got it right even though it was forced upon them

I go back to 2018
I was critical about trading in McGovern and Setterfield two blokes with various question marks on them for basically 3 picks in the 20s Shane McAdam and Nathan Kreuger
For giving up a spasmodic player with question marks about his fitness and attitude they acquired as a part of a deal a player whose output and been good
After a good start this season he is back in the seniors
He has delivered more than McGovern then they got pick 13
Kreuger debut a few weeks ago in a side that’s hard to get a look in
He has huge upside and is young
Then there is a pick in the 20 s we gave GWS for Setterfield
These trades can kill any hope of a rebuild working properly

As I said before the timing of it three years into the rebuild that clearly had its flaws given it was our worst year on record smacked of arrogance stupidity and ignorance

Then without Sos there Austin decides to basically give up pick 8 and pick 30
for a one trick pony in Saad and a fringe player in Fogarty

Now we are going to give up our first rounder for a fifth string mid in an average team

On top of this Hind who looked great at the Saints last year clearly was available and we didn’t go after him and we could have kept our pick 8 (10)

Our recruiting overall is shithouse period compared to most others
We get the balance wrong
And where is the director of football at board level
I thought he was giving it away at the end of the season
What role did he play in agreeing to this crap

He looked "great" did he?
Which of his 10 games did he look "great" in?
Not round 1 because he didn't make the team.
Definitely not Round 3 because he was dropped and stayed out of the team for Rounds 4,5,6 and 7.
Probably not Round 14 because he was dropped again and didn't get back into the team until Round 17. He then proceeded to play another shit game and was dropped for the rest of the year.

So when exactly did he look great? A 26 year old who couldn't hold a spot in a middle off the road club.
Do you understand why I get frustrated with your negativity? Not only do you consistently bag the club, half the stuff you write is revisionist nonsense. It didn't @#$%&! happen!

I just searched your name to look up when you alerted us about Hind. Nothing. Zero before yesterday.
You'd never mentioned his name. But now you come here and bag us for overlooking him. FMD

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He looked "great" did he?
Which of his 10 games did he look "great" in?
Not round 1 because he didn't make the team.
Definitely not Round 3 because he was dropped and stayed out of the team for Rounds 4,5,6 and 7.
Probably not Round 14 because he was dropped again and didn't get back into the team until Round 17. He then proceeded to play another shit game and was dropped for the rest of the year.

So when exactly did he look great? A 26 year old who couldn't hold a spot in a middle off the road club.
Do you understand why I get frustrated with your negativity? Not only do you consistently bag the club, half the stuff you write is revisionist nonsense. It didn't @#$%&! happen!

I just searched your name to look up when you alerted us about Hind. Nothing. Zero before yesterday.
You'd never mentioned his name. But now you come here and bag us for overlooking him. FMD[/quote


I watch a bit of footy in my retiring years
In the games I saw last year he looked good to me
Some blokes get a roar deal at other clubs
Other blokes like Cerra our overrated
Point is whether you like it or not our recruiting department let another one slip by
Which would be better
Hind and pick 10
Or Saad
Our recruiting is too often about the quick fix

Surely you have opinion about Cerra is worth
For me a third rounder
Of course that’s not the case because some blokes in this caper are overrated

Face it mate when you weigh all the pros and cons the tangibles and intangibles are recruiting is horrendous compared to others

So what is Cerra worth and why?
Surely that’s a reasonable question to answer

And while I’m at it Hind was a 24 year old running around with the Essendon* seconds when he was recruited by The Saints at pick 54
Essendon* obviously realised they [REDACTED] up letting him go initially and gave him a second chance

Just yet another example of a late developer from the lower leagues that pretty much our recruiting teams have dismissed even when players were available for free and as consequence of us being so shit

But hey you obviously have a better take on it
So Cerra?

Cerra a third rounder?
Dow is worth more than that, and right now, cerra seems to be ahead of Dow...imo
I know you compare Cerra to Brayshaw and Serong, to come up with your conclusion of his value, but that's not how it works.
You can have a Fab 4 or a Fab 3 and that doesn't imply those 3 or 4 mids can't be worth a first round pick.

It seems to be you are being extreme, just to make a point.
I don't know what to believe from you, nor what you believe. 3rd rounder? Serious?

Cerra was a pick 4.
He has impressed, and his stocks have not devalued since being drafted.

We have pick 8.
Who do we target with pick 8 that is better than Cerra?

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The Fockers will want 6 + SPS.

We say give us your second in return.

We get reamed.

But flower it we get Cerra.

What else do we do with pick 8?
What value is SPS to Carlton? Is he more than depth?
Betts reckons he needs to build his engine. I ask, why is it not built up after 5 preseasons?

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next years first rnd for cerra (i think we will finish higher) and sps , take that or we walk . show some balls ,need to learn from last year (p8). Imagine going to draft with p5/6 get the best mid and we add cerra .

It’s about proper list management
Cerra is not worth a first round pick because he is Fremantles 5 th best mid
Your paying overs for a start
I guarantee too you if we get him we will be given up something else as well.
It’s the way this club thinks.
It’s dumb recruiting again because your overrating the list like we have repeatedly done in the past
That’s mainly why we are 13 th 6 years into a rebuild
It isn’t just the coach fitness gurus or football managers
I rather use all our picks over the next 2 to 3 years on kids and with later picks on WAFL SANFL VFL players like what Essendon* did with Hind
I repeat again the List isn’t good enough because our recruiting is shit
Target kids that can be mids and a key back
Let’s hope Austin has a better eye for midfield talent than SOS did
If you trade out lazy players like SPS and get something for the 2021 and 2022 drafts and get some extra picks it’s a bonus
Have patience for once
As the wasted years mount up it gets shorter in supply which means the club continues to @#$%&! up
Last years trade period was farcical
Where is the proof it hasn’t been farcical
C’ mon where is the evidence
I would still recruit a key back too as Jones isn’t getting any younger

Six years ago our out going President said that we have listened to our members and the short term fix is over
What a lie
SOS gone did a shot job
Bolton sacked to cover up SOS’s and Brodie’s shortcomings

Once again like last year the powers to be are overrating our list
Cerra is another short term fix
Dow by the way is worth nothing more than a fourth rounder based on the 4 year output but we are all waiting for him to become a + 25 week in week out gun mid.
I can’t see that happening
Parish showed more in his first 4 years

Look it is a fair point.
I guess the value is in the original pick we used to get him and he has talent and is still young.

But for sure, his lack of tank, lack of hardness, and also the fact he doesn't have a set position all work against him.

red pen anyone?

Grammar
Who cares
Start your own thread in another thread

Are you always a douchebag?

FWIW, I would take Cerra as I see it as a priority. Especially if we lose Samo and another mid.

What are the reasons as to why we will finish between 12 th 14 th 6 years into a rebuild
Your the douchebag if you can’t give an opinion about that

What we probably should be discussing is which mature age recruit we (Ross) can nab from elsewhere who will add grunt and strong leadership to our team.

Any suggestions?

Ramsay East Perth
Get him with a rookie pick
Use the picks in the draft on kids

Maybe

Why did the Pies chop him?

Lack of opportunity
Late developer
26 so might have missed the boot but there others
Hobbley from West Perth is a decent player only 20 21
There out there but for reasons unexplained clubs don’t bother like we do