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Well Voss and Ross sure sound like a cute couple.

18 men behind the ball and hope for the best yay.

Ross and Voss both barracked for Carlton as kids.

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All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


OK, so the ability to defend isn't an area of improvement for the coach?

I am glad we are clear on this.


Defence will come with line up stability and cohesion between the players. We are going to continuously get slaughtered if skinny bodies keep playing midfield they are not capable to stop the supply. Hasn't happened in five years and not going to happen next year if we persist with these players.


OK so his current game plan isn't suited to the players he has at his disposal.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:18 pm 
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choo wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Well Voss and Ross sure sound like a cute couple.

18 men behind the ball and hope for the best yay.

Ross and Voss both barracked for Carlton as kids.


Ross was actually good for Carlton VFL. But speak to any Docker fan and they are glad they got rid of him.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:19 pm 
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teague fell on his own sword by not changing this ridiculous u12 game plan and i also think our team is overrated specially in defense. plowman worst in afl.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:19 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
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All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


OK, so the ability to defend isn't an area of improvement for the coach?

I am glad we are clear on this.


Defence will come with line up stability and cohesion between the players. We are going to continuously get slaughtered if skinny bodies keep playing midfield they are not capable to stop the supply. Hasn't happened in five years and not going to happen next year if we persist with these players.


OK so his current game plan isn't suited to the players he has at his disposal.


Improving midfield quality is a priority.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:21 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


Ahead of the curve, like when he was the offence coach at Adelaide and the high scoring Crows were dismantled by Richmond in the Grand FInal?


hmmm.. what does that have to do with Teague he wasn't in control of midfield and forward line.


Well he wasn't in control of defence.

What was he in control of?

In fact what is he in control of at Carlton?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:22 pm 
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choo wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Well Voss and Ross sure sound like a cute couple.

18 men behind the ball and hope for the best yay.

Ross and Voss both barracked for Carlton as kids.

But are they good with kids like Fev was ?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:23 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


Ahead of the curve, like when he was the offence coach at Adelaide and the high scoring Crows were dismantled by Richmond in the Grand FInal?


hmmm.. what does that have to do with Teague he wasn't in control of midfield and forward line.


Well he wasn't in control of defence.

What was he in control of?

In fact what is he in control of at Carlton?


Ask Teague - I am not going to answer these types of vindictive questions.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:26 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


Ahead of the curve, like when he was the offence coach at Adelaide and the high scoring Crows were dismantled by Richmond in the Grand FInal?


hmmm.. what does that have to do with Teague he wasn't in control of midfield and forward line.

Geez how many excuses can you have one person , you definitely have some kind personal relationship , no way you can defend someone you don’t know like this

Declare your connection to him , you have all bragged how you know Carltonians, which I’m still trying to understand that claim to fame

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:28 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


OK, so the ability to defend isn't an area of improvement for the coach?

I am glad we are clear on this.


Defence will come with line up stability and cohesion between the players. We are going to continuously get slaughtered if skinny bodies keep playing midfield they are not capable to stop the supply. Hasn't happened in five years and not going to happen next year if we persist with these players.


You can't built a game plan on offence and then retrofit defence.
The game style needs to integrate all phases off the game together. When we win the ball, we rightly spread and creates options to free up space, to maintain possession and to stretch the oppositions defensive structure. Good teams maintain a defensive structure behind the ball and they have options ahead of the ball with strategies to maintain possession. We kick it to Harry (he's overwhelmingly the number 1 forward target in the AFL) and we fail to man up defensive options outside off that hit up zone.
So we kick it to Harry, the opposition know where it's going, we collapse into the contest and the opposition march the ball out pick off our defenders who are attempting to lock the ball in and they kick goals.

You talk about Teague wanting a one on one defence. Good luck with that. The opposition are consistently outnumbering us as they bring the ball back. That has little to do with skinny midfielders. It starts from turnovers in our forward line and a full offensive philosophy with no strategies in place to protect its failure.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:35 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


OK, so the ability to defend isn't an area of improvement for the coach?

I am glad we are clear on this.


Defence will come with line up stability and cohesion between the players. We are going to continuously get slaughtered if skinny bodies keep playing midfield they are not capable to stop the supply. Hasn't happened in five years and not going to happen next year if we persist with these players.


You can't built a game plan on offence and then retrofit defence.
The game style needs to integrate all phases off the game together. When we win the ball, we rightly spread and creates options to free up space, to maintain possession and to stretch the oppositions defensive structure. Good teams maintain a defensive structure behind the ball and they have options ahead of the ball with strategies to maintain possession. We kick it to Harry (he's overwhelmingly the number 1 forward target in the AFL) and we fail to man up defensive options outside off that hit up zone.
So we kick it to Harry, the opposition know where it's going, we collapse into the contest and the opposition march the ball out pick off our defenders who are attempting to lock the ball in and they kick goals.

You talk about Teague wanting a one on one defence. Good luck with that. The opposition are consistently outnumbering us as they bring the ball back. That has little to do with skinny midfielders. It starts from turnovers in our forward line and a full offensive philosophy with no strategies in place to protect its failure.


Jones and Weitering is to Carlton what May and Lever is to Melbourne and then you have your ground ball get players. The only difference between the two sides imo is the ability to win the ball in the middle and skills. Cohesion plays a part as these guys dont have an injury list and cohesion is built by training together all year and present in every match all year.

The way Melbourne set up is not different they just have better quality players in the middle that limits supply to defence. But defenders 100% need to beat their man and we have the best back there - its just the inside 50 supply is so damn easy after stoppage and clearance - just dont have the cattle in the middle.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


OK, so the ability to defend isn't an area of improvement for the coach?

I am glad we are clear on this.


Defence will come with line up stability and cohesion between the players. We are going to continuously get slaughtered if skinny bodies keep playing midfield they are not capable to stop the supply. Hasn't happened in five years and not going to happen next year if we persist with these players.


You can't built a game plan on offence and then retrofit defence.
The game style needs to integrate all phases off the game together. When we win the ball, we rightly spread and creates options to free up space, to maintain possession and to stretch the oppositions defensive structure. Good teams maintain a defensive structure behind the ball and they have options ahead of the ball with strategies to maintain possession. We kick it to Harry (he's overwhelmingly the number 1 forward target in the AFL) and we fail to man up defensive options outside off that hit up zone.
So we kick it to Harry, the opposition know where it's going, we collapse into the contest and the opposition march the ball out pick off our defenders who are attempting to lock the ball in and they kick goals.

You talk about Teague wanting a one on one defence. Good luck with that. The opposition are consistently outnumbering us as they bring the ball back. That has little to do with skinny midfielders. It starts from turnovers in our forward line and a full offensive philosophy with no strategies in place to protect its failure.


Walsh is absolutely right that midfield quality (& depth) is a priority.
However, this is not a mutually exclusive priority.
We also need to shore up our defensive capabilities (across the field, including the midfield).
Teague’s attacking plan is good. BUT, he should have also focused on teaching an effective defensive structure, esp after the opposition run-ons from last year.
The fact that he didn’t, or couldn’t get it through to the players is probably the biggest reason he has failed this season.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:51 pm 
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Walsh is absolutely right that midfield quality (& depth) is a priority.


I agree. as I said earlier, with an elite defence, forwardline and midfield, Teagues game style would be just fine.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:57 pm 
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The midfield isn't great, I think we all acknowledge this.
But our failings extend way beyond the midfield.

Our players are consistently allowing the opposition to run free with extra numbers once they get their hands on the ball down back. And from there they waltz the football forward and score under little to no pressure. The ease with which opposition teams move the ball against us is mind blowing.

Our players seem to be all at sea. They have no idea what they are doing and no plan to stop the flow of ball the other way. While a mediocre midfield plays a role in this, the main issue is the lack of game plan and defensive mechanisms.

Given we have a mediocre midfield Teague would have been far better implementing a more defence oriented game style, that way we would likely have been in contests more often and the players would likely be less distraught as things wouldn't have gone so pear shaped so often.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2021 4:02 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.


Ahead of the curve, like when he was the offence coach at Adelaide and the high scoring Crows were dismantled by Richmond in the Grand FInal?


hmmm.. what does that have to do with Teague he wasn't in control of midfield and forward line.


Fact Check...
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Senior coach: Don Pyke
Assistant coach (midfield): Scott Camporeale
Assistant coach (forward): David Teague
Assistant coach (defence): James Podsiadly
Assistant coach (ruck): Matthew Clarke
Development manager: Heath Younie
SANFL coach, midfield development coach: Ryan O'Keefe
Team defence specialist coach: Tate Kaesler
Defence development coach: Paul Thomas
Forwards development coach: Nathan van Berlo


https://www.afl.com.au/news/146917/your-clubs-coaching-structures-2017


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...and forward line.


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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.

Just to clarify this.
Which teams in the top 8 are you saying are ahead of the curve?
And if Teague is ahead of the curve why is he using a game plan that was used in Adelaide circa 2017?


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The midfield isn't great, I think we all acknowledge this.
But our failings extend way beyond the midfield.

Our players are consistently allowing the opposition to run free with extra numbers once they get their hands on the ball down back. And from there they waltz the football forward and score under little to no pressure. The ease with which opposition teams move the ball against us is mind blowing.

Our players seem to be all at sea. They have no idea what they are doing and no plan to stop the flow of ball the other way. While a mediocre midfield plays a role in this, the main issue is the lack of game plan and defensive mechanisms.

Given we have a mediocre midfield Teague would have been far better implementing a more defence oriented game style, that way we would likely have been in contests more often and the players would likely be less distraught as things wouldn't have gone so pear shaped so often.


Duh - one hand you say midfield isnt great then on the other hand you say opposition players are running free... like duh.

If we cant win the ball in the middle and butcher the ball against top four sides you're gonna get spanked.

Defensive game plan is not going to win us flags....Richmond and now Melbourne are playing attacking football and is the type you need to play to wiin flags.

Geelong plays vanilla typical football and Melbourne will maul them. Teague needs to drill a side thats always out there to win.


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Sidefx wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
All jokes aside, Walsh, can I ask you, in what areas do you feel our coach could potentially improve?


Listening less to idiots about defensive football and sticking to his guns and drill a team to his brand and beliefs.

To win flags you need to be ahead of the curve.... all past curves are done and dusted and they're not coming back. Teague has given an insight to what he thinks will play finals in future and he needs to stick to it.

The lack of football people on the board is alarming.... there isn't any - they are all business nuffies. If these nuffies say play more defensive or else then Teague should have the courage to tell them to GAGF.

Just to clarify this.
Which teams in the top 8 are you saying are ahead of the curve?
And if Teague is ahead of the curve why is he using a game plan that was used in Adelaide circa 2017?


It wasn't used by Adelaide - he wasn't the head coach. He uses the list to his strengths on the acknowledgement the midfield is weak. Get it fast to key marking targets up forward. Seems that Harry loved it.


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Walsh wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
The midfield isn't great, I think we all acknowledge this.
But our failings extend way beyond the midfield.

Our players are consistently allowing the opposition to run free with extra numbers once they get their hands on the ball down back. And from there they waltz the football forward and score under little to no pressure. The ease with which opposition teams move the ball against us is mind blowing.

Our players seem to be all at sea. They have no idea what they are doing and no plan to stop the flow of ball the other way. While a mediocre midfield plays a role in this, the main issue is the lack of game plan and defensive mechanisms.

Given we have a mediocre midfield Teague would have been far better implementing a more defence oriented game style, that way we would likely have been in contests more often and the players would likely be less distraught as things wouldn't have gone so pear shaped so often.


Duh - one hand you say midfield isnt great then on the other hand you say opposition players are running free... like duh.

If we cant win the ball in the middle and butcher the ball against top four sides you're gonna get spanked.

Defensive game plan is not going to win us flags....Richmond and now Melbourne are playing attacking football and is the type you need to play to wiin flags.

Geelong plays vanilla typical football and Melbourne will maul them. Teague needs to drill a side thats always out there to win.

So if Melbourne are playing Richmonds brand of football, doesn't that make them behind the curve?
I'm so confused....


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