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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 6:04 am 
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If we were sounding out coaches before the review was handed down then nothing’s changed.

If these purported ITK have been info from director level then nothing’s changed from the old guard still on the board.

You’d hope it’s only a “if available” conversation and nothing more. Anything more and it’s a Clayton’s review.

I think you'd have to assume a process is being followed, otherwise there would've been no point in having a review, let alone such a public one.

I also think it would show absolute negligence by the board to not sound out other coaches and check their availability, as well as what they could bring to the club, pending the results of the review.


As I said, gauging availability only is fine, succession planning etc.

But it appeared more than that, and if so, that’s not good.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:37 am 
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azzablue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
azzablue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Teague quoted in the Herald Sun:

“To perform at your best you need a psychologically-safe environment, and right now for us that’s a challenge for us with everything going on. “I really commend all the players and staff (for) the way they keep fronting up and bringing great effort and trying their best in an environment which is a bit challenging.”

Can you believe this bloke? He commends the players for the way they've been fronting up? Bringing great effort? Trying their best????? How's the @#$%&! audacity of the man! I'm sorry David, but this is the kind of Mr nice guy acceptance of bullshit low standards that is going to get you fired. This is the AFL. It's a brutal cut throat game. You do not commend your players for "fronting up". You do not get a pat on the back for "trying your best". The level of effort has been completely unacceptable. You need to be calling out the lack of effort and poor performance. By speaking like this you are accepting pathetic standards and enabling it to continue.

This guy is completely delusional, he sounds like a under 12 coach , and just telling them to go out and give it your best !! So he supposedly has the great worsfold as a mentor and that’s the best Teague can come up with ,

No wonder there is no accountability , selection integrity or game plan !!


I'm glad Murphy is playing his last game tomorrow so I don't have to hear you going off about something we can't control and inevitable.

But, I love reading posts like this because you really do represent the view of one of 3 factions, and I do take it onboard.

Get rid of Teague and replace with a fresh coach with new ideas faction
Get rid of Teague and replace with an experienced coach faction
Keep Teague and let him see out his contract faction
I don't know faction.

My post above sublimally points out Teague needs support and the bottom line is the club has some deep seated underlying cultural issues they must resolve before the bone is pointed elsewhere.

Following the game against GCS I was a bit like you, but not as eloquent.
This week I've spoken with a lot of football people, smart people, successful AFL people about the Carlton situation.
I'm in the I honestly don't know anymore faction.

I'm saddened by what Walshy rightly calls it the Carlton Circus.
We are a big club, so the noise is big, the audience is big, the clicks are big, hence the sensationalist language and reporting.
Don't know what to believe anymore, except not believe anything from News Ltd channels of footy info.

First of all Murphy who ??

And my only response to all this , is when I have commented I have given examples of issues with Teague and his coaching style , and media performances !! The club do have have blood on their hands how they appointed Teague for a list that needed structure , game plan immediately especially after the malt house and Bolton years , and there isnt much I agree with judd about especially after quitting at the start of the year

But this list didn’t need a training wheels coach , but Liddle and his Merryman were only looking at the bottom of profit and loss Statement and knew they could get Teague on the cheap Because of a couple of false wins

But let’s see the difference of the Teague evolution from his first game as coach to now !!

Lions first game score 42 to 1 (crippa has a blinder to get us over the line ) and we all starved of success we take this as the beginning of something special

Fast forward 2 years

We play Gold Coast last week who come off 100 point thrashing , they chip there way to 123 uncontested possessions and 5 goals straight in the 3rd into the 4th qtr with no effort from us

This isn’t media reporting , this evidence we have continually seen from this inept coach

Do you think you can trust him with this list anymore or for another 3 years ?? As you know they would have to extend him out this year if by
Some miracle he survived this , they wouldn’t let him coach out next year on a one year contract


The best example of this is Heath buck and my blue heaven channel

Watch his review of rd 1 before the tigers game and his enthusiasm and excitement about the season ahead and then listen to him after the gc game , he was a shattered man and how he feels about this great club right now , sums up how a lot of people feel about this club ,

Teague is one one many that should be shown the door hence why we will know immediately what kind of president this sayers is going to be and let’s see how much he loves this club

For all our differences in opinions let’s all hope he loves the club with the same passion we all do …


Now I'm on the Sack Teague faction. Good points.

I didn't consider the circus that will follow Teague with only 1 year left on his contract...and no, I don't want Teague given an extension based on the body of work thus far.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:01 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

Quote:
The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


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The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:13 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

Quote:
The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


Quote:
The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…

And Longmire is a premiership coach ,,, as someone pointed out Teague and all the assistant coaches were all part of the Bolton coaching panel other than Luke power

I’m not sure if anyone has seen the interview on blue aboard with Luke power , it was a great insight into the club , and Luke power pointed out the players are very introverted type and he gave the impression they needed to come out of their shell and bring more toughness and edge ...

That isn’t a Teague mantra as coach ... we have too many players with losing records this has to change

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:18 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

Quote:
The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


Quote:
The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…


No i am not comparing coaches at all.
No I didn't state Longmire didn't have a Plan B.

You missed the main points.

I am sharing what was being said at the time about Longmire within the 4 walls of the SCG.

I am sharing with you Longmire's opinion of an ex Coach who was hired to help him sort out the forward line.

Who knows if you're right or wrong about Teague. I think you're wrong. He has a Plan A, but it lacks defensively.

Longmire doesn't get all the credit for the turnaround this year, its the people around him, and the strong Bloods culture: something Carlton has lacked since 2000.

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We should at least be offering Pyke a role as football manager.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:55 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

Quote:
The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


Quote:
The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…


No i am not comparing coaches at all.
No I didn't state Longmire didn't have a Plan B.

You missed the main points.

I am sharing what was being said at the time about Longmire within the 4 walls of the SCG.

I am sharing with you Longmire's opinion of an ex Coach who was hired to help him sort out the forward line.

Who knows if you're right or wrong about Teague. I think you're wrong. He has a Plan A, but it lacks defensively.

Longmire doesn't get all the credit for the turnaround this year, its the people around him, and the strong Bloods culture: something Carlton has lacked since 2000.

Capiche


No matter who our new coach is next year , the first important signing after that should be trying to get either Brett Kirk or Jarrod McVeigh to our club and before pre season training , no matter what the cost , get Patty Mills (hopefully future PM) to speak to our playing group about playing for each other , understanding history and what it means to represent to wear the CFC jumper !!

they need to have a Carpe Diem pre season ...

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:33 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

Quote:
The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


Quote:
The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…


No i am not comparing coaches at all.
No I didn't state Longmire didn't have a Plan B.

You missed the main points.

I am sharing what was being said at the time about Longmire within the 4 walls of the SCG.

I am sharing with you Longmire's opinion of an ex Coach who was hired to help him sort out the forward line.

Who knows if you're right or wrong about Teague. I think you're wrong. He has a Plan A, but it lacks defensively.

Longmire doesn't get all the credit for the turnaround this year, its the people around him, and the strong Bloods culture: something Carlton has lacked since 2000.

Capiche


Teague’s Plan A doesn’t work, we’re mid table offensively, near bottom of the ladder defensively

Teague has had more time, and more talent at his disposal, than Rutten, Longmuir, Nicks and Noble, and done less!

Teague played favourites, displayed no selection integrity, stalled the development of younger players/continuously played players out of position even when the results have been poor, no system, no process, no structure, ignored the defensive aspects of the game.. “we’ll kick a higher score”

Teague performances in press conferences have been poor, he treated Cripps poorly (amongst others)…

Senior players like Simmo and Murph white anted Bolton (while Teague was an assistant), and when Teague took over, he rewarded that behaviour, banishing our youngsters, and stalling their development.

If Teague produced results, all of the above wouldn’t matter….

Capiche


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What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:41 pm 
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ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
buzzaaaah wrote:
I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.


Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?

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The Swans did what they do in 2018 – play finals - but it was a little bit different to a normal Sydney September as they were thrashed by crosstown rival GWS, scoring just 30 points for the match.

And things didn’t get much better once the dust had settled, with three-time All Australian Dan Hannebery asking for a trade to St Kilda and club mascot Gary Rohan also wanting out, while rumours swirled about the futures of Luke Parker and Jake Lloyd.


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The exodus was limited and at the end of the day the list looks no weaker than it did before the post-season dealings, but there’s been an air of disquiet hanging around the Swans since the 2016 Grand Final loss and it’s starting to smell just a little pungent.


2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746


This is hilarious….

You’re comparing Longmire and Teague as coaches…

You state Longmire didn’t have a plan B…

Teague doesn’t have a plan A…

One can coach, the other not so much…


No i am not comparing coaches at all.
No I didn't state Longmire didn't have a Plan B.

You missed the main points.

I am sharing what was being said at the time about Longmire within the 4 walls of the SCG.

I am sharing with you Longmire's opinion of an ex Coach who was hired to help him sort out the forward line.

Who knows if you're right or wrong about Teague. I think you're wrong. He has a Plan A, but it lacks defensively.

Longmire doesn't get all the credit for the turnaround this year, its the people around him, and the strong Bloods culture: something Carlton has lacked since 2000.

Capiche


Teague’s Plan A doesn’t work, we’re mid table offensively, near bottom of the ladder defensively

:thumbsup: Teague has had more time, and more talent at his disposal, than Rutten, Longmuir, Nicks and Noble, and done less!

Teague played favourites, displayed no selection integrity, stalled the development of younger players/ :thumbsup: continuously played players out of position even when the results have been poor, no system, no process, no structure, ignored the defensive aspects of the game.. “we’ll kick a higher score”

Teague performances in press conferences have been poor, he treated Cripps poorly (amongst others)… :thumbsup:

Senior players like Simmo and Murph white anted Bolton :thumbsup: (while Teague was an assistant), and when Teague took over, he rewarded that behaviour, banishing our youngsters, and stalling their development. :thumbsup:

If Teague produced results, all of the above wouldn’t matter….

Capiche


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What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.

Please explain how a fit josh honey was sitting in the reserves for 2 years and was only played after all a spat of injuries and the season was over ??

He has pace , kicking skills on both feet and pressure , but fisher out injured for 10 weeks and comes straight in ??

Please explain how David Cunningham wasn’t picked from rd 1 , and finally gets his shot and has a huge game against the dogs , following week instead of building on that confidence , Teague plan was Cunningham to play on lever as a lockdown fwd on him ,,,

Great leadership and development!!

But good to hear from and see you are still fighting for a lost cause

Will Teague invite you to his wake in 2 weeks ??

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What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.

Please explain how a fit josh honey was sitting in the reserves for 2 years and was only played after all a spat of injuries and the season was over ??

He has pace , kicking skills on both feet and pressure , but fisher out injured for 10 weeks and comes straight in ??

Please explain how David Cunningham wasn’t picked from rd 1 , and finally gets his shot and has a huge game against the dogs , following week instead of building on that confidence , Teague plan was Cunningham to play on lever as a lockdown fwd on him ,,,

Great leadership and development!!

But good to hear from and see you are still fighting for a lost cause

Will Teague invite you to his wake in 2 weeks ??


Honey was mediocre in his junior year I dont think you know what you're on about half the time.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 3:12 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.

Please explain how a fit josh honey was sitting in the reserves for 2 years and was only played after all a spat of injuries and the season was over ??

He has pace , kicking skills on both feet and pressure , but fisher out injured for 10 weeks and comes straight in ??

Please explain how David Cunningham wasn’t picked from rd 1 , and finally gets his shot and has a huge game against the dogs , following week instead of building on that confidence , Teague plan was Cunningham to play on lever as a lockdown fwd on him ,,,

Great leadership and development!!

But good to hear from and see you are still fighting for a lost cause

Will Teague invite you to his wake in 2 weeks ??


Honey was mediocre in his junior year I dont think you know what you're on about half the time.


Junior year ? What does even mean ??

I will take that as complement what you think of me ... the feeling is mutual I can assure you

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:06 pm 
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Anyone watching the dogs hawks game?

Granted we have a stupid amount of Injuries, but so do the hawks.

It’s not that they are winning, it’s the fact that they have taken away the dogs strengths.

That’s what a great coach does.

Let’s hope we see that today against port!


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Walsh wrote:
What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.


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Currently beating a top 2 team by 4+ goals and about to win their 3rd straight game.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:13 pm 
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Jonosc1 wrote:
Anyone watching the dogs hawks game?

Granted we have a stupid amount of Injuries, but so do the hawks.

It’s not that they are winning, it’s the fact that they have taken away the dogs strengths.

That’s what a great coach does.

Let’s hope we see that today against port!

You already know what we'll see today...

Let's hope we see that in 2022 though


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:14 pm 
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Jonosc1 wrote:
Anyone watching the dogs hawks game?

Granted we have a stupid amount of Injuries, but so do the hawks.

It’s not that they are winning, it’s the fact that they have taken away the dogs strengths.

That’s what a great coach does.

Let’s hope we see that today against port!


Clarko this year with a mediocre team

Beat swans
Drew with dees
Beat lions
And now beats dogs potentially

I wouldn’t even know the majority of the hawks team

Clarko best coach by the length of the Flemington straight

I still believe he will end up at the Gold Coast but if we can convince him to come to the blues , wow!!

He would be the best appointment since Parkin first coming to be the blues in the 80s

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Blue Vain wrote:
Walsh wrote:
What plan A or plan B or plan C when the injury list has been 15+ long all year.

Look at Richmonf take three players and fail to make finals... but noooooo Teague must make finals with 8+ key players out.


O'Meara
Gunston
Impey
Breust
CJ
Day
Sicily
Worpel

Currently beating a top 2 team by 4+ goals and about to win their 3rd straight game.


..and they're bottom four.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:26 pm 
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They are 2 points behind us and probably will go past us next week what a myopic post


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:29 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
They are 2 points behind us and probably will go past us next week what a myopic post


Teague hasnt made bottom four Clarko has.


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