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"I had to eat"

I like David Teague. I think he's a good coach.
He has deficiencies that the club could have helped him with by hiring a good defensive assistant. Pyke has turned around Sydney even though Longmire is a gun.
That said, it's too late for that now. We need a new master at the helm.
But I don't think he has ever done anything other than what he thought was best for CFC.
So lets not abuse or denigrate the guy for not quite being up to the job.
I think we are a better club and team than when he took over.

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[quote="jake_h03"]Teague quoted in the Herald Sun:

“To perform at your best you need a psychologically-safe environment, and right now for us that’s a challenge for us with everything going on. “I really commend all the players and staff (for) the way they keep fronting up and bringing great effort and trying their best in an environment which is a bit challenging.”

Can you believe this bloke? He commends the players for the way they've been fronting up? Bringing great effort? Trying their best????? How's the @#$%&! audacity of the man! I'm sorry David, but this is the kind of Mr nice guy acceptance of bullshit low standards that is going to get you fired. This is the AFL. It's a brutal cut throat game. You do not commend your players for "fronting up". You do not get a pat on the back for "trying your best". The level of effort has been completely unacceptable. You need to be calling out the lack of effort and poor performance. By speaking like this you are accepting pathetic standards and enabling it to continue.

This guy is completely delusional, he sounds like a under 12 coach , and just telling them to go out and give it your best !! So he supposedly has the great worsfold as a mentor and that’s the best Teague can come up with ,

No wonder there is no accountability , selection integrity or game plan !!

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

Give you best. Pat on the head boys. Pathetic.

Back in 2019, the talk around Swans people, not just fans, was that Longmire doesn't have a Plan B. Like his predecessor Roos, he could build a great defense and play are hard dour game but scoring was an issue, and when the opposition changed things up, Longmire found it difficult to adjust. Sound familiar. but the other way around?





2019 and the Swans finished 15th with 7 wins and dropped further to 16th and 5 wins in 2020.

In 2021 the list changed a bit with the addition of Academy boys Gulden and Campbell who were only 19yo but conditioned over the years to understand the game and uncompromising methods of the Swans, otherwise not much changed, losing no one of note. The other BIG recruit was Pyke. Longmire says he's the best Assistant he's ever had...that implies better than AFL coaches Dew and Shaw.

Maybe all Teague needs is a bonafide defensive coach to compliment his attacking game plan. But what it also says is Teague isn't the complete coach with the perfect plan, just as Longmire wasn't. In fact I was surprised Longmire was given the 2 year extension last year, because there was plenty of talk.

The difference between Carlton and Swans, and I know from watching closely at training and listening to the development coaches, they teach the kids and the players and the new recruits, the nuances of the game: Development.

Not sure I see enough smart conditioned footy smarts shown by many of the Carlton players TBH. Look at the Swans, they pick up the ball, ready to take and break a collision and look like they kick blindly and then it lands on or near a team mate further down field. It isn't luck.

I'm happy for my son to be part of the Swans Academy, and if good enough to pursue a career with the Swans, I know he will be prepared mentally with their no flower's policy and know his team mates will sacrifice their game to protect him if he's in trouble. Don't see that at Carlton.

I know a family whose son plays for the swans. The son's grandad was huge financial contributor to Fitzroy but this kids dad is a mad Collingwood clubman. I remember going to the son's first game with the family, spoilt rotten by the club, and his old man told me, he knew from the get go, his son couldn't be in a better environment than the Swans, and he's developed into a Swans player. He didn't miss out on anything not being an Academy player. That's how good development and culture is at The Bloods.

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/afl/news/sydney-swans-2019-fixtures-preview-list-changes-every-player-and-odds/cblvyxc3bfrv1mi2olx22m746

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I'm glad Murphy is playing his last game tomorrow so I don't have to hear you going off about something we can't control and inevitable.

But, I love reading posts like this because you really do represent the view of one of 3 factions, and I do take it onboard.

Get rid of Teague and replace with a fresh coach with new ideas faction
Get rid of Teague and replace with an experienced coach faction
Keep Teague and let him see out his contract faction
I don't know faction.

My post above sublimally points out Teague needs support and the bottom line is the club has some deep seated underlying cultural issues they must resolve before the bone is pointed elsewhere.

Following the game against GCS I was a bit like you, but not as eloquent.
This week I've spoken with a lot of football people, smart people, successful AFL people about the Carlton situation.
I'm in the I honestly don't know anymore faction.

I'm saddened by what Walshy rightly calls it the Carlton Circus.
We are a big club, so the noise is big, the audience is big, the clicks are big, hence the sensationalist language and reporting.
Don't know what to believe anymore, except not believe anything from News Ltd channels of footy info.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Furthermore he's creating an out for the players, using the review as an excuse for their lack of effort and letting them off the hook. This is everything that is wrong with our club culture. How about you ask the players to look each other in the eye and stand up in the face of adversity. How about you make them responsible for their performances. How about you demand some @#$%&! standards. No wonder we wilt under pressure every single time. No wonder we're the most mentally fragile team in the league. PC, mollycoddling, participation award giving rubbish.

I am genuinely infuriated by these comments. I have never been more sure that I want him gone. Give me Choco Williams. I don't care how much of a nutter he is. I just want some bloody spine in this club

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

First of all Murphy who ??

And my only response to all this , is when I have commented I have given examples of issues with Teague and his coaching style , and media performances !! The club do have have blood on their hands how they appointed Teague for a list that needed structure , game plan immediately especially after the malt house and Bolton years , and there isnt much I agree with judd about especially after quitting at the start of the year

But this list didn’t need a training wheels coach , but Liddle and his Merryman were only looking at the bottom of profit and loss Statement and knew they could get Teague on the cheap Because of a couple of false wins

But let’s see the difference of the Teague evolution from his first game as coach to now !!

Lions first game score 42 to 1 (crippa has a blinder to get us over the line ) and we all starved of success we take this as the beginning of something special

Fast forward 2 years

We play Gold Coast last week who come off 100 point thrashing , they chip there way to 123 uncontested possessions and 5 goals straight in the 3rd into the 4th qtr with no effort from us

This isn’t media reporting , this evidence we have continually seen from this inept coach

Do you think you can trust him with this list anymore or for another 3 years ?? As you know they would have to extend him out this year if by
Some miracle he survived this , they wouldn’t let him coach out next year on a one year contract


The best example of this is Heath buck and my blue heaven channel

Watch his review of rd 1 before the tigers game and his enthusiasm and excitement about the season ahead and then listen to him after the gc game , he was a shattered man and how he feels about this great club right now , sums up how a lot of people feel about this club ,

Teague is one one many that should be shown the door hence why we will know immediately what kind of president this sayers is going to be and let’s see how much he loves this club

For all our differences in opinions let’s all hope he loves the club with the same passion we all do …

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

20 years of misery there. Has there ever been a side close to this bad outside of University and maybe Fitzroy in patches?

Ratts is actually better given he had to tank his first 6 games then lost the first 3 the next year.

Think Teague is actually at 44%.

Ratts turned walker into a goal kicking forward , Thornton to make shift chf in our last finals campaign under him and we should of made to a prelim , if it wasn’t for a blind and biased umpire for the eagles

Teague record flatters him due to superhuman efforts of Walsh and crippa at certain times

And constantly beating freo (4), gc (3)except last week ) and drugcheats (2)

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Ratts was the best one we've had since Parko easily. Was hoping he would've come back ahead of Teague in 2019. He's having his issues with an equally bad culture at St. Kilda. First year sugar hit that got finals then back to their old selves.

Anyway, with Teague, we can spin it that way but the scoreboard says it all. Thing is we are only decent player attitudes and culture from making finals, not to mention a fit list. Those attitude changes can only be player driven. 6 coaches haven't been able to do it this century. Ratts being the closest, but even then a poor to the Gold Coast in 2012 with the same lack of drive, effort, motivation, as we see now and quite a few times that year, cost him his job. something we still regret.

Bar a round 23 "cue in the rack" game our worst loss is 39 pts, one of 4 games we we have lost by over 30pts under Teague. No more embarrassing 10 goal-100pt defeats, or sides with 16 men outscoring us 7 goals to one in a qtr leading to a 100pt win. Scoreboard competitive near every game, even with a bad culture/attitude and a depleted playing list. Just need all that to change and things are alot different. If it doesn't the the new coach will achieve nothing either outside a year 1 sugar hit.

We better brace ourselves, cause a couple of whopper losing margins may just be heading our heading our way.

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Go Blue Boys

If we were sounding out coaches before the review was handed down then nothing’s changed.

If these purported ITK have been info from director level then nothing’s changed from the old guard still on the board.

You’d hope it’s only a “if available” conversation and nothing more. Anything more and it’s a Clayton’s review.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Does anyone else have two separate opinions on where to from here?

One where David Teague does not have a contract needing to be paid out in a year with a low soft cap on coaching staff
Another where he doesn't?

Interesting. Hawk$ in the same boat?

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

I think you'd have to assume a process is being followed, otherwise there would've been no point in having a review, let alone such a public one.

I also think it would show absolute negligence by the board to not sound out other coaches and check their availability, as well as what they could bring to the club, pending the results of the review.

Barrass70 just pulled the pin. "Sorry guys no more info from me.. Brett Temple.."
Not sure whether it relates to just the coaching situation or what the reference to BT is about.

Temple is notorious for passing off others’ info as his own, so I’m guessing barass has had a gutful.

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