How much of this is a carry over from the late 90's where the players pretty much ran the joint. It's the culture that seeps into anyone new who comes into the joint. I still remember Craig Bradley pretty much sitting out pre-season most years until his contract demands were met. He became captain. That attitude influences other, younger players, who in time go on to become leaders of the club. And the cycle continues. You can get away with the cart pulling the horse for a period of time when you're good but we have been far from that this entire century. We haven't been a relevant organisation in the scheme of things this entire century. And I just can't see it changing.

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Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

You talk about Teague record , it wouldn’t been that hard considering how awful and uncompetitive we have been

The one coach we had was ratts and sticks knifed him on the advice of Swann

Under Teague , we have beaten no one consistently and we have a lost a lot games in an uncompetitive manner multiple times in his 2 years !!

His fate was sealed the day we lost to WC this year ...

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Pot calling the kettle black really - as Juddy was on training wheels as a director - obviously.

Agree the WC in particular , but Roos & Suns too were significant losses.

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Problem as I see it is everyone on training wheels.
First time CEO
First time coach.
First time football operations manager
First time recruitment guy.

The guys with experience who tried to push back against poorly thought decisions got forced out - SOS and Barker. Russell hanging on by his contract.

Teague needed more experience around him and to have been prepared to listen and take on board feedback. He didn't and he wasn't.

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Irrelevant, still way better than any one else we've had this century bar Ratts. Spin it all you want. Thing is the issues that have plagued Teague have plagued every other coach this century, and there has been a couple of big name ones in there too. Just that Teague more out of them than most. Which is sad to say. What I am getting at is the issue obviously isn't coaching. You can't coach a bad culture. You always look bad. Don't fix the issues and the next coach will struggle too beyond the first year sugar hit

As Titus O'Reilly said, Teague shouldn't feel bad, Carlton has destroyed better coaches than him.

There should be no problem with that providing everyone pulls in the same direction and board has responsibility developing its key staff appropriately.

But all I see from this board is mistreatment and power plays.

Hey Walsh,..

You keep talking about Circus, mistreatment and power plays how about you put some facts and show examples of this coz at the moment all your doing is throwing mud around and to me it's all YOUR opinion.

Put up some examples or stop the crap

Agree with everything you said except the barker bit ( he should of left along time ago) and sos should still be at the club

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I pick and choose who to converse with, sorry.

So much to unpack...

Firstly, I believe this report about Teague and senior players. One of his key attributes when we put him in was his ability to connect with the players. The reason this report is significant is that it reveals that he has not been quite able to deliver on that attribute. I reckon this has been leaked from the review to justify what is to come.

And, although we definitely do have a history of soft players who can't handle any form of tough coaching, this is what makes a great coach a great coach.
The great coaches get the players to buy into the vision and the game plan. And then, the players themselves buy in to the level required to achieve the desired outcomes. e.g. Ross Lyon would simply have a conversation with a player pointing out that he agreed to do x, but he is only doing y. Either due to desire or ability. What can Ross do to help? But put accountability onto the player to do what he said he would do. And this is also where selection integrity is so important. (Lyon famously dropped Dal Santo and, was it Milne?)
The great coaches are able to build a relationship around a shared goal which the players believe in because of how the coach communicates that, overtly and more subtly. Clearly, Teague has been unable to find a way to get the players to deliver. And or his plan is no good.

Also, Leigh Matthews has repeatedly said that a coach is great when he has great players; and not so great when the players are not great. Together with Leppitsch this week pointing out that all the great teams he has been associated with had the culture and standards led/set by the players.

I believe we have a core of leaders now who can lead that culture and drive the standards required. Walsh, Weitering and Cripps for starters. This is much different to Murphy and Gibbs. Judd tried but he was more a leader by example and also had to contend with Fevola pulling the players in the opposite direction (while Fev could play up all week and still perform on match day; not many others could pull that off...).

We now need a coach who can organise, drive and support the players; and manage the suits. In my view Ross Lyon, Don Pyke, Clarkson and even Buckley could all do that well. Not sure if Clarkson still has the desire (Malthouse was good enough but don't think he had the desire/appetite and I think he always had one eye on proving Collingwood wrong); not sure if Buckley is ready again yet or needs a year off first.
Don't know about the rookies or the ex-coaches Voss and Leppitsch. (I feel like Don Pyke is in a different category but that may just be flawed perception).
I think it would be a very brave Board who goes with a rookie this time.

Oh, and final point: Of course the Review had to interview the players. But they have all been around the block enough to be able to take their input for what it is, esp Sayers who would know how to read, interpret and act on a report like this. (I can't speak for his intentions but he is no fool, and no-one's fool.)

Just as I thought YOU HAVE NOTHING.
Carry on throwing mud around without any basis to it.
I will from now on read ALL you posts as GIBBERISH

You are too emotional buddy. Doesn't matter what I am going to reply - you will allow emotion to take over, so what's the point?

He's right though - put up or shut up; the dance is boring.

you're another one.

The Walsh Waltz

Sure - you called me a Teague Plant then expect me to take you seriously.

Sure.......

My first preference was bolster the football department around Teague.

My vibe is the review considers Teague part of the problem, or at least not part of the solution.

If we get Clarko we need strong characters around him, which won’t let him have say over recruiting like he did at hawthorn from 2016 onwards, when he tried to shortcut his way to another flag.

You are a Teague plant, it's what's got you into this mess in the first place. Anad what's worse, you can't back up any of your claims. Barrass hath spoken, the end is nigh...

Who?

If he is saying Teague is sacked then he is speculating at best. Board meeting is tomorrow in an already damaged image of the board; now all over the media how inept they are.