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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:05 pm 
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Geez do these players get along with anyone? Imagine if we got Clarkson or Ross. They are hard task masters, how will they get along with them. These players need to grow up and play for themselves and the members. Have some pride mate geez!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 7:43 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:11 pm 
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jim wrote:
BREAKING: David Teague’s uncertain relationships with senior players will be one of the many elements of a review that's expected to see him moved on as coach.
The board will consider the contents of the review Thursday, with Teague’s future already all but decided.
Jon Ralph: "While the review has not officially been tabled, Carlton’s issues are well known inside the club & will see Teague moved on.
While there were early indications he could be informed as soon as Friday, circumstances at the club are expected to delay any announcement."
Jon Ralph: "The tensions of a long year of scrutiny have taken their toll on the coach & the playing group.
Some senior players at Carlton believe their inability to form close relationships with Teague is just one of many factors that have contributed to a below-par year."
Jon Ralph: "Teague was initially seen as a strong relationship builder especially when he replaced sacked coach Brendon Bolton during 2019.
But as the Blues have battled for wins Teague's been increasingly demanding of his players who at times believe he's been overly negative."
Jon Ralph: "Carlton is adamant it has not told Teague about his future & has not yet contacted rival suitors for his role.
While the review will consider positions across the board fitness boss Andrew Russell, on over $400,000 a season, is expected to stay on next season."
Source - Jon Ralph
Posted by Carlton News, Info & Stats from article in HS.

He stating the obvious about the Teague and we all know this except Walsh and his Gang of one !!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:36 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BREAKING: David Teague’s uncertain relationships with senior players will be one of the many elements of a review that's expected to see him moved on as coach.
The board will consider the contents of the review Thursday, with Teague’s future already all but decided.
Jon Ralph: "While the review has not officially been tabled, Carlton’s issues are well known inside the club & will see Teague moved on.
While there were early indications he could be informed as soon as Friday, circumstances at the club are expected to delay any announcement."
Jon Ralph: "The tensions of a long year of scrutiny have taken their toll on the coach & the playing group.
Some senior players at Carlton believe their inability to form close relationships with Teague is just one of many factors that have contributed to a below-par year."
Jon Ralph: "Teague was initially seen as a strong relationship builder especially when he replaced sacked coach Brendon Bolton during 2019.
But as the Blues have battled for wins Teague's been increasingly demanding of his players who at times believe he's been overly negative."
Jon Ralph: "Carlton is adamant it has not told Teague about his future & has not yet contacted rival suitors for his role.
While the review will consider positions across the board fitness boss Andrew Russell, on over $400,000 a season, is expected to stay on next season."
Source - Jon Ralph
Posted by Carlton News, Info & Stats from article in HS.

He stating the obvious about the Teague and we all know this except Walsh and his Gang of one !!


What worries me is every coach we have seems to lose the players. Alot of tail wagging the dog it seems. A real bad culture. Not sure why anyone would want to coach here.

Seems Teague, gaping by this article at least, is quite different privately than publicly. Talks shit to us publicly, but differently behind closed doors.

Wonder if Bolton will warn him what to expect. That might put him right off.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:41 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
CarltonClem wrote:
Walsh, at the risk of an exercise of futility, why don’t you outline from a coaching point of view how Teague has succeeded?

You want to blame the purportedly pea hearted midfield? Why hasn’t Teague done something about that in terms of selection criteria/non favouritism?

Our defenders get caught time and again because the zone defence we employ is picked apart. It seems you want to excoriate the players solely and Teague unable to do anything wrong.

You seem to ignore the criticism relating to Teague’s inability to formulate proper systems and have yet to come up with a satisfactory rebuttal.

Going ad hominem doesn’t really help.


I've morphed into Daryl Kerrigan after reading that....


I've met Clem, and I think he still lives around the corner from me. We've been meaning to catch up. If he talks like that when we catch up, I'm bringing my ipad and have the google page ready to go. :wink:


Great, another flower. :thumbsup:

I've been meaning to, sorry, and now with lockdown, very difficult.

Yes, I haven't moved, still living in the same place, catch up soon.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:50 pm 
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jim wrote:
azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BREAKING: David Teague’s uncertain relationships with senior players will be one of the many elements of a review that's expected to see him moved on as coach.
The board will consider the contents of the review Thursday, with Teague’s future already all but decided.
Jon Ralph: "While the review has not officially been tabled, Carlton’s issues are well known inside the club & will see Teague moved on.
While there were early indications he could be informed as soon as Friday, circumstances at the club are expected to delay any announcement."
Jon Ralph: "The tensions of a long year of scrutiny have taken their toll on the coach & the playing group.
Some senior players at Carlton believe their inability to form close relationships with Teague is just one of many factors that have contributed to a below-par year."
Jon Ralph: "Teague was initially seen as a strong relationship builder especially when he replaced sacked coach Brendon Bolton during 2019.
But as the Blues have battled for wins Teague's been increasingly demanding of his players who at times believe he's been overly negative."
Jon Ralph: "Carlton is adamant it has not told Teague about his future & has not yet contacted rival suitors for his role.
While the review will consider positions across the board fitness boss Andrew Russell, on over $400,000 a season, is expected to stay on next season."
Source - Jon Ralph
Posted by Carlton News, Info & Stats from article in HS.

He stating the obvious about the Teague and we all know this except Walsh and his Gang of one !!


What worries me is every coach we have seems to lose the players. Alot of tail wagging the dog it seems. A real bad culture. Not sure why anyone would want to coach here.

Seems Teague, gaping by this article at least, is quite different privately than publicly. Talks shit to us publicly, but differently behind closed doors.

Wonder if Bolton will warn him what to expect. That might put him right off.


yes, Jim, spot on

i reckon a lot of the younger players will buy into a good strong coach, but i have my doubts over a lot of the older players who seem to have been conditioned to get their way at the expense of the team and are just happy to get a paycheck

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:17 pm 
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bender wrote:
jim wrote:
azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BREAKING: David Teague’s uncertain relationships with senior players will be one of the many elements of a review that's expected to see him moved on as coach.
The board will consider the contents of the review Thursday, with Teague’s future already all but decided.
Jon Ralph: "While the review has not officially been tabled, Carlton’s issues are well known inside the club & will see Teague moved on.
While there were early indications he could be informed as soon as Friday, circumstances at the club are expected to delay any announcement."
Jon Ralph: "The tensions of a long year of scrutiny have taken their toll on the coach & the playing group.
Some senior players at Carlton believe their inability to form close relationships with Teague is just one of many factors that have contributed to a below-par year."
Jon Ralph: "Teague was initially seen as a strong relationship builder especially when he replaced sacked coach Brendon Bolton during 2019.
But as the Blues have battled for wins Teague's been increasingly demanding of his players who at times believe he's been overly negative."
Jon Ralph: "Carlton is adamant it has not told Teague about his future & has not yet contacted rival suitors for his role.
While the review will consider positions across the board fitness boss Andrew Russell, on over $400,000 a season, is expected to stay on next season."
Source - Jon Ralph
Posted by Carlton News, Info & Stats from article in HS.

He stating the obvious about the Teague and we all know this except Walsh and his Gang of one !!


What worries me is every coach we have seems to lose the players. Alot of tail wagging the dog it seems. A real bad culture. Not sure why anyone would want to coach here.

Seems Teague, gaping by this article at least, is quite different privately than publicly. Talks shit to us publicly, but differently behind closed doors.

Wonder if Bolton will warn him what to expect. That might put him right off.


yes, Jim, spot on

i reckon a lot of the younger players will buy into a good strong coach, but i have my doubts over a lot of the older players who seem to have been conditioned to get their way at the expense of the team and are just happy to get a paycheck


Perfectly summed up way too many senior players just happy to get a pay check(one retiring on Saturday thankfully) and to change culture you need to sacrifice a player or 2 with trades !!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:48 pm 
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The more worrying thing for me is that, if true, it's another sign of how @#$%&! soft our players are.

They seriously think Teague is bad? Clarkson or Lyon will have them in tears.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:53 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
The more worrying thing for me is that, if true, it's another sign of how @#$%&! soft our players are.

They seriously think Teague is bad? Clarkson or Lyon will have them in tears.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:00 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
The more worrying thing for me is that, if true, it's another sign of how @#$%&! soft our players are.

They seriously think Teague is bad? Clarkson or Lyon will have them in tears.


:clap:


Agree and about time any player that whom might be conceited and arrogant that can’t see the bigger picture and put his absolute all in for the jumper every game has to be delisted or traded simple.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:47 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
The more worrying thing for me is that, if true, it's another sign of how @#$%&! soft our players are.

They seriously think Teague is bad? Clarkson or Lyon will have them in tears.


:clap:


Agree and about time any player that whom might be conceited and arrogant that can’t see the bigger picture and put his absolute all in for the jumper every game has to be delisted or traded simple.


Absolutely. New coach needs to give the talented kids a chance under him though. Nothing over the last three years have given these kids a chance to show their potential. Thats all I ask.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:16 am 
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I feel for Teague. I don’t think he’s been supported by the club. Plus two COVID years. Questions can be raised about recruitment. Questions can be asked about him inheriting his assistant coaches. Questions can be raised about our messiah Football Club director Judd leaving and not being replaced.

I hope that the review clears out a stack of deadwood - not just Teague. If there isn’t a big clean out and shake up it is irrelevant who our next coach is.

Carlton is the place where careers go to die.

Let’s hope the review pulls us back from the brink


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:20 am 
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Teague is a bloody hard task master on training track don't worry about that.

Am not sure where people get Teague doesn't work the players over - if you haven't been there and seen then that's a damn insult.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:00 am 
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-ne ... IKhOxgVaIM

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:04 am 
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jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-david-teague-carlton-next-coach-sacked-footy-review-on-the-couch-analysis/news-story/ecad8b0af9fe9ffbae14fca744bace3d?fbclid=IwAR1DnG-PIBC9_0-7u12YLb7HKxbTTTYOy_eLpYuijslPHzk7MIKhOxgVaIM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... c-0uhM29nc


What's your solution Jim? Retain Teague? Then what?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:06 am 
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Walsh wrote:
Teague is a bloody hard task master on training track don't worry about that.

Am not sure where people get Teague doesn't work the players over - if you haven't been there and seen then that's a damn insult.



Its at the selection table he seems to act contrary to that perception Walshy.

Have you seen his strict side on the training track?

I don't believe Ralphy's line that senior players can't get close to him, because he's a journo of a gossip-rumour generating rag Herald Sun.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:08 am 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
I feel for Teague. I don’t think he’s been supported by the club. Plus two COVID years. Questions can be raised about recruitment. Questions can be asked about him inheriting his assistant coaches. Questions can be raised about our messiah Football Club director Judd leaving and not being replaced.

I hope that the review clears out a stack of deadwood - not just Teague. If there isn’t a big clean out and shake up it is irrelevant who our next coach is.

Carlton is the place where careers go to die.

Let’s hope the review pulls us back from the brink


I don't blame Judd leaving. He gave his opinion as Football Director about training wheels, and he wasn't listened to.
He knew what he was talking about.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:29 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-david-teague-carlton-next-coach-sacked-footy-review-on-the-couch-analysis/news-story/ecad8b0af9fe9ffbae14fca744bace3d?fbclid=IwAR1DnG-PIBC9_0-7u12YLb7HKxbTTTYOy_eLpYuijslPHzk7MIKhOxgVaIM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... c-0uhM29nc


What's your solution Jim? Retain Teague? Then what?


I'd start running through the player group. Every coach we have has a player disconnect. Weed our those causing the issue. Otherwise the same issue rears it's head again. Can't coach bad culture. Teqgue actually has done alot better than every coach bar Ratts this century, and there's been big names in that lot.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:30 am 
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So why does a coach have to be close to the players ? Norm Smith , Jeans , Kennedy , Barassi etc etc they kept there players distinctly at arms length , kept " em on edge , kept " em guessing . .................Faaark what's the world comin' to ..................and another thing , why is Sayer's getting players opinion's . They got loser mentality .Nothin' to be gained there .............all this warm cuddly shit has got us where we are . If ever a club needed a tough nut it's now . Hope to christ this Sayer's bloke is a shit backseat driver who becomes Fangio when he gets behind the wheel . Been lurking in the background for ten years now he better kick arse .

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:39 am 
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jim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
jim wrote:
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-david-teague-carlton-next-coach-sacked-footy-review-on-the-couch-analysis/news-story/ecad8b0af9fe9ffbae14fca744bace3d?fbclid=IwAR1DnG-PIBC9_0-7u12YLb7HKxbTTTYOy_eLpYuijslPHzk7MIKhOxgVaIM

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/ ... c-0uhM29nc


What's your solution Jim? Retain Teague? Then what?


I'd start running through the player group. Every coach we have has a player disconnect. Weed our those causing the issue. Otherwise the same issue rears it's head again. Can't coach bad culture. Teqgue actually has done alot better than every coach bar Ratts this century, and there's been big names in that lot.


Hopefully the review will sort out which players are on board and which may be destabilising.
But what's your decision with coaching? Keep Teague? If we cant attract a mentor or senior assistant of quality, are you happy for the status quo to continue?

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