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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2021 11:38 pm 
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Club will announce this week that DT won’t see out his contract next year.


Speculation but also very possible.

Shame if that happens and all the more urgency Carltonians mounting a challenge to the boards ineptness.

Four sacked coaches in 10 years = a sacked board.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:08 am 
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Four sacked coaches in a decade is no big deal, all have been under duress and affected by bad & complicated circumstances , a ery tough haul for the Baggers for the last 2 decades perhaps it’s our Karam for enjoying too much success prior to our decline.
Sayers will help pull us out of the poop poop, a strong leader’s grip is what’s needed once procedural obligations have to been done, action will begin.
This time our reboot will be positive and impact our performance and win more games , different just got a gut feel , things will change for much better results.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:25 am 
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Four sacked coaches in a decade is no big deal, all have been under duress and affected by bad & complicated circumstances , a ery tough haul for the Baggers for the last 2 decades perhaps it’s our Karam for enjoying too much success prior to our decline.
Sayers will help pull us out of the poop poop, a strong leader’s grip is what’s needed once procedural obligations have to been done, action will begin.
This time our reboot will be positive and impact our performance and win more games , different just got a gut feel , things will change for much better results.


I’m very apprehensive about sayers considering he has been at the club for such a long time and people talk about 4 sacked coaches

The only one that was wrongly sacked was ratts

Pagan and malthouse should of never been appointed that was the real issue

So let’s not about the malthouse years and how he ripped the heart out of the club (betts, robbo,Garlett and yaz)

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:27 am 
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Walsh wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Club will announce this week that DT won’t see out his contract next year.


Speculation but also very possible.

Shame if that happens and all the more urgency Carltonians mounting a challenge to the boards ineptness.

Four sacked coaches in 10 years = a sacked board.


They won’t be extending him so that equals him being terminated this year and no. Board challenge will save him !!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:50 am 
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This is what a good game plan can achieve

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Should it surprise anyone in this magical mystery tour of a season that Peter Wright transformed himself into a red-headed Paul Salmon to slot seven straight goals to keep Essendon*’s finals hopes alive.

Gold Coast reject Wright was so unwanted last year the Suns are paying nearly half his wage and gave the former No.8 draft pick away for a future fourth-round pick.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/972b7d83d5ff5cf820817cefc974c68a

The coach has found a way to get the ball to their tall marking forward, and use him to his team's advantage rather than hoping the ball gets to him.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:05 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
This is what a good game plan can achieve

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Should it surprise anyone in this magical mystery tour of a season that Peter Wright transformed himself into a red-headed Paul Salmon to slot seven straight goals to keep Essendon**’s finals hopes alive.

Gold Coast reject Wright was so unwanted last year the Suns are paying nearly half his wage and gave the former No.8 draft pick away for a future fourth-round pick.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/972b7d83d5ff5cf820817cefc974c68a

The coach has found a way to get the ball to their tall marking forward, and use him to his team's advantage rather than hoping the ball gets to him.


Yep, and a shithouse game plan finds a way to have 7 kicked on Jacob Weitering

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:07 am 
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jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
This is what a good game plan can achieve

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Should it surprise anyone in this magical mystery tour of a season that Peter Wright transformed himself into a red-headed Paul Salmon to slot seven straight goals to keep Essendon***’s finals hopes alive.

Gold Coast reject Wright was so unwanted last year the Suns are paying nearly half his wage and gave the former No.8 draft pick away for a future fourth-round pick.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/972b7d83d5ff5cf820817cefc974c68a

The coach has found a way to get the ball to their tall marking forward, and use him to his team's advantage rather than hoping the ball gets to him.


Yep, and a shithouse game plan finds a way to have 7 kicked on Jacob Weitering


In fairness that didn't happen. Weitering was moved off Larkey fairly early on.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:09 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
This is what a good game plan can achieve

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Should it surprise anyone in this magical mystery tour of a season that Peter Wright transformed himself into a red-headed Paul Salmon to slot seven straight goals to keep Essendon****’s finals hopes alive.

Gold Coast reject Wright was so unwanted last year the Suns are paying nearly half his wage and gave the former No.8 draft pick away for a future fourth-round pick.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/972b7d83d5ff5cf820817cefc974c68a

The coach has found a way to get the ball to their tall marking forward, and use him to his team's advantage rather than hoping the ball gets to him.


Yep, and a shithouse game plan finds a way to have 7 kicked on Jacob Weitering


In fairness that didn't happen. Weitering was moved off Larkey fairly early on.


Well then let me rephrase. A shithouse game plan finds a way for Larkey to kick 7

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:13 am 
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And tactical genius ensures the Coleman medalist plays most of the game 80 metres from goal with an impotent forward line


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:17 am 
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Either way, the one constant throughout Teague's tenure has been an ineptitude in stopping the opposition from scoring easy uncontested goals. The writing was on the wall last year when we constantly gave up 5-6 goal unanswered runs in the space of 10-20 mins. I would list all the games it happened but everyone already knows.

I was happy to go in with a clean slate this year, and assumed Teague would use the off-season to sort it out, but we're just as bad this year and we have to cop the tripe about us just having to score more than the opposition when asked about how we defend against the Bulldogs. Well that attitude ultimately cost us the game in the last quarter when we couldn't stop them scoring and protect a 5 goal lead.

Then this week he comes out and says the effort was there and we maybe we were trying too hard! I'm sorry David, but trying too hard is certainly not the problem. That's the message that our kids are getting FFS.

The man is so far out of his depth it's painful to watch. He's not a strong personality, he's not a leader of men. Time to go

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:18 am 
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frank dardew wrote:
And tactical genius ensures the Coleman medalist plays most of the game 80 metres from goal with an impotent forward line


I'm pretty sure only the best young coach in the game could come up with that masterstroke

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:41 am 
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jim wrote:

The culture has been shocking in this club for 20 years. 6 coaches haven't changed that. The motivation, drive, hunger, effort etc, nothing has changed with different coaching appointments. How do you not see that? What does that tell you? You can't coach a side with a bad culture. Whatever you try to do the players don't put in the effort to execute it properly. Given we were still in contention and very competitive all year on the scoreboard, if we put in a true effort in all year of course we would play finals. Like i said, how do you not see that. What do you think another coaching change is going to do that the previous 5 or 6 haven't? Have to get to the root of the problem and it isn't coaching. Teague's record is the 2nd best this century by a margin. He took over a side that had won 4 from the previous 43, with some of the most embarrassing losses this club has ever had, including one where a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a qtr with 16 men for alot if it.


You're kidding jim

Focus on this year, and you'll get your answers.

Stop trying to make a connection between 2000 and 2021. Its the now we are interested in, not conspiracy theories. You're making excuses. Put the spotlight on our current coach...every other coach has lived with covid and bubbles.

And comparing Teague to the previous unsuccessful Carlton coaches ....why not compare him to other coaches who have won flags, to see the difference between his game plan and there's, even better, make it easier, coaches who haven't won a flag: Rutten, or Fagan, or Leon Cameron, or Goodwin, and look at what their teams are doing THIS year.

Best comparison is Rutten. Took over a team hovering around us, and he's only been in the game 2 years....see the difference?

Teague let the players get ahead of themselves last week. His disclosures after the match were truthful and focussed on the 2021 problem. He doesn't dwell on the past. He's allowed the 2021 players to run the show.

I love you man, but Stop the excuses

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:47 am 
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FWIW, Neil Mitchell reporting that Teague was told yesterday arvo that he's done

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:48 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:

The culture has been shocking in this club for 20 years. 6 coaches haven't changed that. The motivation, drive, hunger, effort etc, nothing has changed with different coaching appointments. How do you not see that? What does that tell you? You can't coach a side with a bad culture. Whatever you try to do the players don't put in the effort to execute it properly. Given we were still in contention and very competitive all year on the scoreboard, if we put in a true effort in all year of course we would play finals. Like i said, how do you not see that. What do you think another coaching change is going to do that the previous 5 or 6 haven't? Have to get to the root of the problem and it isn't coaching. Teague's record is the 2nd best this century by a margin. He took over a side that had won 4 from the previous 43, with some of the most embarrassing losses this club has ever had, including one where a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a qtr with 16 men for alot if it.


You're kidding jim

Focus on this year, and you'll get your answers.

Stop trying to make a connection between 2000 and 2021. Its the now we are interested in, not conspiracy theories. You're making excuses. Put the spotlight on our current coach...every other coach has lived with covid and bubbles.

And comparing Teague to the previous unsuccessful Carlton coaches ....why not compare him to other coaches who have won flags, to see the difference between his game plan and there's, even better, make it easier, coaches who haven't won a flag: Rutten, or Fagan, or Leon Cameron, or Goodwin, and look at what their teams are doing THIS year.

Best comparison is Rutten. Took over a team hovering around us, and he's only been in the game 2 years....see the difference?

Teague let the players get ahead of themselves last week. His disclosures after the match were truthful and focussed on the 2021 problem. He doesn't dwell on the past. He's allowed the 2021 players to run the show.

I love you man, but Stop the excuses


Brilliant!!

Peoples obession in Teague I don’t get it ,his first game against the lions score 42 to 1 before cripps done a superman !!

Teague issue from go’s first game to now , he has never rectified the goal run on from
The opposition.... how many did the gc kick in a row before we scored in the last qtr !!

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bondiblue wrote:
jim wrote:

The culture has been shocking in this club for 20 years. 6 coaches haven't changed that. The motivation, drive, hunger, effort etc, nothing has changed with different coaching appointments. How do you not see that? What does that tell you? You can't coach a side with a bad culture. Whatever you try to do the players don't put in the effort to execute it properly. Given we were still in contention and very competitive all year on the scoreboard, if we put in a true effort in all year of course we would play finals. Like i said, how do you not see that. What do you think another coaching change is going to do that the previous 5 or 6 haven't? Have to get to the root of the problem and it isn't coaching. Teague's record is the 2nd best this century by a margin. He took over a side that had won 4 from the previous 43, with some of the most embarrassing losses this club has ever had, including one where a side outscored us 7 goals to 1 in a qtr with 16 men for alot if it.


You're kidding jim

Focus on this year, and you'll get your answers.

Stop trying to make a connection between 2000 and 2021. Its the now we are interested in, not conspiracy theories. You're making excuses. Put the spotlight on our current coach...every other coach has lived with covid and bubbles.

And comparing Teague to the previous unsuccessful Carlton coaches ....why not compare him to other coaches who have won flags, to see the difference between his game plan and there's, even better, make it easier, coaches who haven't won a flag: Rutten, or Fagan, or Leon Cameron, or Goodwin, and look at what their teams are doing THIS year.

Best comparison is Rutten. Took over a team hovering around us, and he's only been in the game 2 years....see the difference?

Teague let the players get ahead of themselves last week. His disclosures after the match were truthful and focussed on the 2021 problem. He doesn't dwell on the past. He's allowed the 2021 players to run the show.

I love you man, but Stop the excuses


Agree. Why does everyone keep comparing Teague to previous Carlton coaches? Different lists, different eras. Ratten, Malthouse and Teague were the only ones since the salary cap saga who have had a decent list. Ratten made finals 3 years in a row then got the sack when he shouldn't have. Malthouse was a disaster and was rightly sacked. But Teague has had the best list of the lot and we have made ZERO progress in 2 years.

Bolton took over at the start of a rebuild. He had a combination of hacks, a few aging senior players, and a heap of talented kids that were 18-21. Teague now has a heap of talented senior players. He has AA level key forward, key defender, and midfielder. His talented kids are now 21-24 not 18-21. He's added senior recruits in Martin, Williams and Saad. And we've gone nowehere. You just can't compare the two

The argument that sacking previous coaches hasn't worked so we shouldn't do it again is extremely flawed. Every scenario is completely different. The question should solely be is Teague the best man available to lead this club. If anyone genuinely believes the answer to that is yes, you need your head checked

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:08 am 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
This is what a good game plan can achieve

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Should it surprise anyone in this magical mystery tour of a season that Peter Wright transformed himself into a red-headed Paul Salmon to slot seven straight goals to keep Essendon****’s finals hopes alive.

Gold Coast reject Wright was so unwanted last year the Suns are paying nearly half his wage and gave the former No.8 draft pick away for a future fourth-round pick.


https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/the-tackle-jon-ralphs-likes-and-dislikes-from-round-21/news-story/972b7d83d5ff5cf820817cefc974c68a

The coach has found a way to get the ball to their tall marking forward, and use him to his team's advantage rather than hoping the ball gets to him.


Yep, and a shithouse game plan finds a way to have 7 kicked on Jacob Weitering


In fairness that didn't happen. Weitering was moved off Larkey fairly early on.

Yes, but don't let facts get in the way of a good story.....It has been peddled like this since the final siren by all and sundry.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:21 am 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
FWIW, Neil Mitchell reporting that Teague was told yesterday arvo that he's done



Update: Carlton called 3AW and denied it

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 11:24 am 
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It looks like another coach the 6 th one in a row who won’t see out his contract

What does that say about this club
I keep saying it until the board is sacked we won’t go anywhere


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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
FWIW, Neil Mitchell reporting that Teague was told yesterday arvo that he's done



Update: Carlton called 3AW and denied it


That means a lot


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