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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:14 pm 
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Couldn't give a fat rats clacker about the socks. I just don't know where we go from here. We've blown the rebuild. Again. The club politics are [REDACTED]. Again. The coach appears to have no idea. Again. When does it end? Nothing changes.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:14 pm 
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I wish the Team would just pull its socks up!

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:15 pm 
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I'd guess its not the socks, but it might be the focus?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:20 pm 
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bluehammer wrote:
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I don't see how advocating respect is political.

I don't think our socks had a lot to do with our loss.
Every time we wear them we lose its about 5 or 6 years now could be more.

You explain it

I predicted this before the game

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Fair enough.

I'm convinced. It's the socks.

Though we also lose a lot when we wear Navy Blue socks, shorts and jumpers.
BH I am taking the piss but that's not saying that the players are not mentally weak and it doesn't take much to distract them.

It is not that hard predicting Carlton will lose because of xxxx because they lose more than they win.

Still think football clubs should just stick to playing football

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:21 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
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I was being sarcastic


Well, I hate it when our club colours change. Surely there are other ways to get the message across.

Sadly on a day where the club is trying to raise awareness and support for domestic violence against women, that shithouse display would no doubt have added considerable danger to at-risk partners of some members and supporters in some very volatile households during lockdown, particularly if gambling is involved

A cruel irony of our latest failure :cry:


Bit of a stretch perhaps (but absolutely un-****ing-acceptable if this does occur), but it certainly gives intolerant ****sticks ammunition to blame “wokeness” for the purely football issue of playing like shit.


It happens, you’ve got your head in the sand if you don’t think so. Unacceptable without a doubt.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:21 pm 
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Keep Politics Out of Football... PLEASE


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:23 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
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I was being sarcastic


Well, I hate it when our club colours change. Surely there are other ways to get the message across.

Sadly on a day where the club is trying to raise awareness and support for domestic violence against women, that shithouse display would no doubt have added considerable danger to at-risk partners of some members and supporters in some very volatile households during lockdown, particularly if gambling is involved

A cruel irony of our latest failure :cry:

Are you seriously suggesting that supporters get so angry about their team's poor performance that they get violent?

Have you seriously been living on Lollipop Lane for so long that this seems like an alien concept to you? The links between sport and family violence are well known.

I can find you actual data if you like but this should be easy enough to digest to open your eyes to the issue:
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"Statistics show that rates of domestic violence spike during major sporting events," Gaudry says.

"During the 2018 State of Origin, police callouts for family violence rose 40 per cent."

She's also concerned that coronavirus could compound those figures.

"The impact of coronavirus on the home has caused an increase in family violence," she said.

"We are very worried about the compounding effects of football finals and the ongoing COVID restrictions."



https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-09/domestic-violence-against-women-football-finals-afl-nrl/12743480


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:26 pm 
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Thanks for sharing that Scotty12000.

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I remember we beat Freo once in yellow jumpers for some cause which escapes me right now. But we did win.

Admittedly it was 2009

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:31 pm 
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No, Syd is right, it's definitely the socks. Just like Australia never wins the Pink Test, goddamn virtue signallers. Let's recruit Tex Walker and turn our boys into men!
I don't see the need for it.
Why does anyone have to come out and say that they are against domestic violence and wear orange socks to show it.
I might be looking in the wrong places but I don't think I have ever seen the wife bashers association or the kick the crap out of the kids club.
Isn't everyone against domestic violence.

I think footballers should play football , singers sing songs , actors just act

This playing group needs one focus and that is winning football games and everytime when they have some cause they are trying to promote they lose.

Seriously they have to say their against domestic violence

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That is fine for you to think that, but claiming we played like shit because of being "too woke" is just you shoehorning your political biases whenever and wherever it's convenient. Show me any other teams that play shit when they wear indigenous jumpers, or ANZAC poppies, or black armbands, or pink logos, and you may have a point. But using Carlton as an example? Give me a break, Carlton plays like putrid dog faeces 2 weeks out of 3,you can ascribe it to any rubbish reasons you want! :D


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:33 pm 
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Bottom 4 teams from Queensland have killed Walls, Malthouse, Bolton and soon to join them, Teague



I think you mean Ratten not Bolton.

Essendon* finished Bolts

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:33 pm 
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Teague has copped hell in his life that losing the coaching gig won’t be the end of him.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:36 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
GreatEx wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
I was being sarcastic


No, Syd is right, it's definitely the socks. Just like Australia never wins the Pink Test, goddamn virtue signallers. Let's recruit Tex Walker and turn our boys into men!
I don't see the need for it.
Why does anyone have to come out and say that they are against domestic violence and wear orange socks to show it.
I might be looking in the wrong places but I don't think I have ever seen the wife bashers association or the kick the crap out of the kids club.
Isn't everyone against domestic violence.

I think footballers should play football , singers sing songs , actors just act

This playing group needs one focus and that is winning football games and everytime when they have some cause they are trying to promote they lose.

Seriously they have to say their against domestic violence

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That is fine for you to think that, but claiming we played like shit because of being "too woke" is just you shoehorning your political biases whenever and wherever it's convenient. Show me any other teams that play shit when they wear indigenous jumpers, or ANZAC poppies, or black armbands, or pink logos, and you may have a point. But using Carlton as an example? Give me a break, Carlton plays like putrid dog faeces 2 weeks out of 3,you can ascribe it to any rubbish reasons you want! :D
We are PC Woke and soft

We don't want to offend our opponents by beating them.

We have a team full of Metro sexuals and there would be more man bags at Carlton than any other club

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:39 pm 
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Another coaching masterclass from Teague. Let's keep our defensive press super high up the ground, so our forward 50 is flooded, and the opposition's is almost empty. Let's allow the opposition to place Plowman at full back. And get Weitering following his opponent up to our forward 50. Let's all play our most dangerous forward as the high forward outside of 50. And that's just strategy. Yet again he is unable to get our team up for games which give us an opportunity to contend for the 8, and with any pressure on as the 'favourites'.
Yet again out tackled and out pressured. Last week was the usual exception rather than the rule.
Got smashed out of centre, and around the clearances generally.
Only 5 players managed 20 possessions. Special mention to the midfield trio of SOJ with 9, Dow and De Koning with 8.
O'Brien back to his usual invisibility. Can't pressure or find the ball himself.
Some shocking umpiring decisions late.
Players slipping over again.

Pros:

Curnows and Honey.
Harry was good, even if played out of position.
Fisher looked good around the ball, when he was given brief opportunity.
I'm not a huge fan of Newman, but at least he was willing to lay a few tackles.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:50 pm 
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Just for Walsh today’s performance was an indictment on Players and Coaches

About the 8th time this year this has been the case

Can’t be remedied by existing personnel time for some players snd coaches to walk the plank


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:56 pm 
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WARNING IRRATIONAL RANT FOLLOWS - WRITTEN AS A NEXT ROUND PREVIEW BUT WITH A FAIR BUT OF VITRIOLIC REVIEW THROWN IN AT THE END.

Before I fire up let me say I know it is unjustifiably harsh, I know the players turn up with the intent to try their best even if some days they don't fire a shot, I know some busted a gut today and all who play at this level have not only skill beyond us mere mortals but also courage I can't honestly say I know i would display (albeit that courageous is a word that was often used to described my pathetic playing career but largely because to my skill level my courage was impressive rather than it being objectively so) and that they by and large make sacrifices in their lives to ever get to that level but most of us couldn't and/or wouldn't BUT DAMN IT I HAVE LOVED THIS CLUB SINCE 1968 AND I AM GOING TO BE IRRATIONAL ALL RIGHT!

With any luck the competition might be shut down and/or this game cancelled due to Covid.

By my calculation there were 14 players not playing today who might be fit enough to play next week ("the Fit 14"). That would be 14 of my starting 18. If any don't come up it saves another "player" (and I use the term loosely) from today. That leaves 9 spots including medical sub. I would fill them with those that most deserve to be there - a mix of performance this week (not that many get a plus mark), effort over the season, effort over their career and those that need another game under their belt to develop (maybe Honey), continue a comeback (Charlie) or show they are worth a place on the list next year (arguably Kennedy, Dow, O'Brien etc) So category 1 for example would be Newman possibly our best player today, category 2 Walsh, category 3 - well we may as well carry Murph to 300 games now, and category 4 Charlie.

In terms of who played well enough today to have any case to argue for staying in the side - well there's Newman, Walsh, Ed Curnow. Others weren't disgusting but these are the 3 that I reckon flew the flag. Of course Walsh is in category 2 (and H Mac if he is fit but for the sake of the exercise I will assume he is out injured) and Ed C in category 3, so let's start listing "THE NON-SACKED NINE"

Category 1 Newman E Curnow (also could be in category 3)

Category 2 Walsh

Category 3 Murphy

Category 4 TBA

Cripps would also deserve category 3 status for his career, but for the sake of this exercise I am going to say (as may well be the case) he deserves even more a rest for his battered body.

Add Charlie C as category 4 - so 4 more to go. Given I have already suggested only 3 fit category 1 let's look to categories 2, 3 and 4. To my mind we should address category 3 first - those whose body of work over their career with the Blues has them deserving to avoid the ignominy of the cull. Possibles excluding Cripps as aforesaid are Betts of course, Jones and maybe even Weitering albeit he is still young. In any event Weits would surely get in under category 2 for his season performances. That would make 22. I also think JSOS deserves a spot on his year and his drive (and no doubt the family name subconsciously comes into play), so without having any consideration of category 4 we are already at 23 but let's see whether any category 4s deserve to oust any and how many of the names above.

I see the category 4s beyond Charlie as being:

Young guns Honey Stocker Dow

Last chancers Kennedy Williamson O'Brien

Comebackers Nil

I think all but O'Brien have either shown enough or had enough chances to make a decision on their future without needing another look - I won't digress into who I think should stay and who should go that's for the list management discussion, but ... no I won't digress. :smile:

So if you include O'Brien there is 24, one miss out (be one of the 3 emergencies not medisub) and two other bodies to also be named an emergency. End of the day I think Honey's goals probably earn him at least an emergency slot and that leaves 1 emergency and I don't give a rat's tossbag which of these underwhelming (I'll again use the term loosely) "players" get that spot but forced to pick one I'd go Williamson as a harder body who is trying to save his career. Of course if any one or more of the Fit 14 don't come up then one or more of the emergencies and (if we had a run off injuries to the Fit 14 - and let's face it with our injury run this year anything's possible) even beyond might get saved, but for the sake of the exercise let's go with Fit 14 plus 9 plus 3, and I'd line them up with the Fit 14 plus 4 others starting on field ike this:

Williams McDonald Parks
Cottrell Weitering Ramsay
Carroll Setterfield SPS
Durdin McGovern Fogarty
Casboult C Curnow Owies
Jones Kemp Murphy

Then bench plus medisub
E Curnow Newman JSOS Walsh / Betts

Emergencies: MEDISUB Honey O'Brien Williamson

Eddie gets medisub to hopefully limit his workload and set him up fresh for round 23 just in case it is his last game. Smurph gets to play all day (injury aside) in his 300th, that is how it should be for anyone's 300th if the season is over, and he should retire at the final siren or better still announce it before the game. Not that I expect he would do that,, but if I ran the club I'd tell him it's that or medisub for his 300th and see which choice he would make - but if he said medisub I'd start him anyway, his career deserves it. I am a softy/romantic at heart.

Of course no AFL club would do such a thing but it would send such a message. Of course the team would get pumped unless the Port coach completely stuffed up (by which I mean their bus breaks down and they don't reach the ground). But that is the point - the players today other than the ones I have named forfeited the right to wear the first team guernsey for one week at least and it's only the rules around player lists and availability that save even them. It was a collective failure and warrants collective consequences. On on the point of consequences surely the Teague train has been derailed. He should get on the phone to Clarko himself and offer him the job (and ideally stay on as senior assistant with a Roos/Goodwin deal to take over in a few years). Again never going to happen, but then neither was my 3QT suggestion he send one assistant coach out to tell the "players" words to the effect "if you aren't going to turn up for us then we're not going to turn up for you" and then turn around and walk off.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 6:57 pm 
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CFC8795 wrote:
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I was being sarcastic


Well, I hate it when our club colours change. Surely there are other ways to get the message across.

Sadly on a day where the club is trying to raise awareness and support for domestic violence against women, that shithouse display would no doubt have added considerable danger to at-risk partners of some members and supporters in some very volatile households during lockdown, particularly if gambling is involved

A cruel irony of our latest failure :cry:

Are you seriously suggesting that supporters get so angry about their team's poor performance that they get violent?


Unfortunately there is evidence of that. It’s not usually the sole cause but can be the trigger.

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CarltonClem wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Scotty12000 wrote:
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Donstuie wrote:
I was being sarcastic


Well, I hate it when our club colours change. Surely there are other ways to get the message across.

Sadly on a day where the club is trying to raise awareness and support for domestic violence against women, that shithouse display would no doubt have added considerable danger to at-risk partners of some members and supporters in some very volatile households during lockdown, particularly if gambling is involved

A cruel irony of our latest failure :cry:

Are you seriously suggesting that supporters get so angry about their team's poor performance that they get violent?


Unfortunately there is evidence of that. It’s not usually the sole cause but can be the trigger.

I get disappointed and annoyed when we lose.
My wife tells me 'it's only a game, get over it'. I then read TC to help me 'get over it'

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