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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:55 pm 
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keogh wrote:
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So, tldr version, this abomination of a board who are all mouth breathers who struggle to tell apart their ass and their elbow, should be conducting the review rather than fresh external eyes.

Might want to rethink that one fella


The board sought the review
Are they being reviewed by Walsh and co

There is something wrong with the club and it’s not fundamentally coaches, etc.
The root of the problem lies with the one constant through the last decade
Mathieson,Pratt …
I don’t know how you break that cycle but we need a Brendan Gale type guy to be appointed to change the culture of the club
Doing an external review is called deflection


No doubt there is work to do and something culturally needs to change to drive sustained on field performance.
In their defence, the same board are getting plenty right off field & maybe it takes time to convert that into on field performance. Is that done by appointing a Gale or similar to the board? Maybe? No idea really..

FWIW Gale became CEO of Richmond in 2009. Took them a while to convert that change into on field success - you'd have been calling for his head by half way through 2010 i reckon.


Other than Geelong all clubs have dipped and been up there
If someone of the right stock came in it would take a few years to change things
I can’t see it happening with the current breed
The decisions made below them particularly in terms of drafting recruiting through trades and free agency plus the weekly selection of the teams are perplexing to say the least

And there not working
Really 11 years is long enough in a job anyway
Gale will probably be the next AFL CEO anyway


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:28 am 
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I’m an AFL Member with Carlton membership package - I’ve been voting at Carlton AGMs for years - so not sure what this constitutional amendment is about.

:?

Maybe that’s why they stopped having elections.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:15 am 
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keogh wrote:
The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing


Chris Judd was our Football Director, fresh out of the game, but to your point is responsible for Lloyd and everything below him.

If he didn’t like training wheels. How did Lloyd get the gig?

If it was because of Liddle, then Judd has done the right thing and left, as he doesn’t have the power to make decisions of importance.

Our next football director is the most important position to fill. Everything flows down hill from that person.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:21 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
keogh wrote:
The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing


Chris Judd was our Football Director, fresh out of the game, but to your point is responsible for Lloyd and everything below him.

If he didn’t like training wheels. How did Lloyd get the gig?

If it was because of Liddle, then Judd has done the right thing and left, as he doesn’t have the power to make decisions of importance.

Our next football director is the most important position to fill. Everything flows down hill from that person.

So what does Judd do exactly?
His responsibilities in regards to the footy development and List management
Can’t he step in and say
“ I think paying $850000 a season for 6 years for an unaccountable HBF is bullshit”
Or he doesn’t have the authority
You see this is exactly what I’m on about
The board escapes scrutiny
If that isnt part of his job description that’s where the cornerstone of the club’s problems lies
How do Jeannie Pratt and Craig Mathieson contribute to the club other than in a family financial sense
As discussed before Mathieson’s portfolio involves the List Management of the reserves
As he ever been to a reserves game?
If you go on the website you get a profile on what qualifications they have and what they have achieved
Their specific portfolios
But nothing about what they actually do

As for Juddy
He is a yes man
Ask any woman who has seen him interviewed
No knackers off the field
Likes to be seen in the right places
Like having his picture taken the other day with our Federal Treasurer

Glad his going to follow Bec’s home orders


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:56 am 
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Will John Hollingsworth still challenge the board in August?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:14 am 
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Anyone heard the rumours about the review pretty much done with the likely path forward to sack Teague (winning over the other option to keep him but reassess against top 4 expectation half way through next year, after which Clarkson is on the table)?
Also, leaning towards Brad Scott and Don Pyke, ahead of Ross Lyon but in the context of a proper process that would look to include other contenders incl Voss and standout assistants?
And floating the idea of replacing Cripps as captain with Weitering with Sam W anointed as the next in line (this part to me deemed the most far fetched given that I can’t see us replacing Cripps esp just after he has committed to 6years and clearly gives his all, although maybe trying too hard to do it all himself…
Other notable points incl Lloyd gone, Liddle maybe as well. Most assistants gone (not Power). Andrew Russelll to stay. And some of our big $$ recruits on the trade table, if any takers…


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:47 am 
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Another masterclass in how corporate governance works from keogh.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:50 am 
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Heavs wrote:
Another masterclass in how corporate governance works from keogh.


What does the board actually do in your eyes?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:10 am 
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The Normal One wrote:
keogh wrote:
The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing


Chris Judd was our Football Director, fresh out of the game, but to your point is responsible for Lloyd and everything below him.

If he didn’t like training wheels. How did Lloyd get the gig?

If it was because of Liddle, then Judd has done the right thing and left, as he doesn’t have the power to make decisions of importance.

Our next football director is the most important position to fill. Everything flows down hill from that person.


Cain doesn't escape scrutiny in a Football Dept Review.

There is some truth in the rumours made in the past about Liddle's management style.

Interesting.

Judd was great for Carlton FC. He didn't have power to make decisions, but called a spade a spade. Keogh is wrong about Judd.

This is not to say the Board is dysfunctional, in fact it seems that the younger ones have got clarity to pave the pave our future, and the oldies (keogh's mates) are there for support, strength and have level heads.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:19 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
The Normal One wrote:
keogh wrote:
The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing


Chris Judd was our Football Director, fresh out of the game, but to your point is responsible for Lloyd and everything below him.

If he didn’t like training wheels. How did Lloyd get the gig?

If it was because of Liddle, then Judd has done the right thing and left, as he doesn’t have the power to make decisions of importance.

Our next football director is the most important position to fill. Everything flows down hill from that person.


Cain doesn't escape scrutiny in a Football Dept Review.

There is some truth in the rumours made in the past about Liddle's management style.

Interesting.

Judd was great for Carlton FC. He didn't have power to make decisions, but called a spade a spade. Keogh is wrong about Judd.

This is not to say the Board is dysfunctional, in fact it seems that the younger ones have got clarity to pave the pave our future, and the oldies (keogh's mates) are there for support, strength and have level heads.


Judd
As a player was great
As an administrator
Crap
The Judd deal is an example of what’s wrong at Carlton
He was an ordinary captain
West Coast won on the deal
Judd played for 6 years carrying the load of the midfield
Armfield was a good foot soldier played around 150 games

Kennedy after Buddy has been the best forward in the last 15 years and is still going around
Masten played 200 games

That’s Carlton

Still nobody can tell me what the board does


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:19 am 
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keogh wrote:
The Normal One wrote:
keogh wrote:
The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing


Chris Judd was our Football Director, fresh out of the game, but to your point is responsible for Lloyd and everything below him.

If he didn’t like training wheels. How did Lloyd get the gig?

If it was because of Liddle, then Judd has done the right thing and left, as he doesn’t have the power to make decisions of importance.

Our next football director is the most important position to fill. Everything flows down hill from that person.

So what does Judd do exactly?
His responsibilities in regards to the footy development and List management
Can’t he step in and say
“ I think paying $850000 a season for 6 years for an unaccountable HBF is bullshit”
Or he doesn’t have the authority
You see this is exactly what I’m on about
The board escapes scrutiny
If that isnt part of his job description that’s where the cornerstone of the club’s problems lies
How do Jeannie Pratt and Craig Mathieson contribute to the club other than in a family financial sense
As discussed before Mathieson’s portfolio involves the List Management of the reserves
As he ever been to a reserves game?
If you go on the website you get a profile on what qualifications they have and what they have achieved
Their specific portfolios
But nothing about what they actually do

As for Juddy
He is a yes man
Ask any woman who has seen him interviewed
No knackers off the field
Likes to be seen in the right places
Like having his picture taken the other day with our Federal Treasurer

Glad his going to follow Bec’s home orders


I love your opposite points of view and playing devils advocate, but from what I've heard and am hearing this morning, you are very very wrong about Judd. All of the above is possibly made up because you have a man crush on Judd and act like a jilted lover, or because you are so angry, you want heads to roll and use slander to make you feel better. Maybe you've been a victim of slander hence your behaviour. I think you should tone it down. One day we will catch up in Perth over a beer and I will tell you more.

Time you dropped the Judd bashing. He's going. Our HUGE loss. If only you knew.

You've also got in really wrong with Jeannie and Mathieson. They play a back seat role from what I understand and provide in spades where needed.

Huge changes (plural) happening this year and next year. You will get some of your wishes, and you are right about some of the decisions made by Austin. Just as I thought and said in the past, he is a wimp. Not a company man. Wants to be liked by everyone. Can't have it both ways.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:25 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Anyone heard the rumours about the review pretty much done with the likely path forward to sack Teague (winning over the other option to keep him but reassess against top 4 expectation half way through next year, after which Clarkson is on the table)?
Also, leaning towards Brad Scott and Don Pyke, ahead of Ross Lyon but in the context of a proper process that would look to include other contenders incl Voss and standout assistants?
And floating the idea of replacing Cripps as captain with Weitering with Sam W anointed as the next in line (this part to me deemed the most far fetched given that I can’t see us replacing Cripps esp just after he has committed to 6years and clearly gives his all, although maybe trying too hard to do it all himself…
Other notable points incl Lloyd gone, Liddle maybe as well. Most assistants gone (not Power). Andrew Russelll to stay. And some of our big $$ recruits on the trade table, if any takers…



Its still going.

Walsh and Co. still want to do do more including interview trusted opposition contacts not about coaches or Trades or personnel. re :yikes:

Walsh has presented to Sayers and MLG and a couple others yesterday.

It seems you're on the money with the rest re coaches, leadership, management, Russell and trade options.

Feels like this Review is the beginning of a new Carlton TBH. A much much better one.

Sayers is not interested in yes men. He will serve with a purpose. Pity he is losing Judd.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:34 am 
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Criticism of Judd and the manner of it is very poor. Not saying this because he played for us either, very astute businessman - he's no dummy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:35 am 
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Thanks Bondi.
Actually, good to hear. Sounds like a pretty thorough review and not based on one or two performances either way which was my fear.

Re Judd, his public socialite behaviour rubs me the wrong way but I have no idea what he is/was like behind the scenes.
I think it is pretty clear that he was representing the existing position as well as his own view about training wheels but this view was then overturned based on the emotion of the wins and free wheeling style of Teague at the time, plus the players’ views. I think this kind of decision making is one of the things that needs to change. Sounds like it is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:40 am 
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Yeah what do they specifically do
Pratt’s role has involved commercial projects
Mathieson role is finance and List Management of the reserves
Judd is football department and list management

But isn’t the board as a collective responsible for setting the tone
Being in touch with how to be successful in 2021 on field

They always escape being scrutinized
I remember when Bolton was sacked a reporter asked our pres what about your position
Shouldn’t you be looked at
He seemed almost offended by being asked the question before categorically saying no

They have failed Bondi
Simple as that
But hey it’s the people below them that cop the bullet in the head

Big changes
Big deal
There was big changes 6 years ago and look what’s happened
And all those board members were there then except Judd who came on board in 2017

So what stops Judd from voicing an opinion about the ridiculous MCGovern trade
Or paying two HBFs 1.5 million a year for 5 years then paying Zac another $850000 after that
2 blokes who have not one defensive bone in their body and can’t play midfield to save themselves over a combined 16 years of senior footy at other clubs
Does Judd have an opinion about this?
Can he as a board member say “ nup not rubber stamping that one”
Or actually thinks there good ideas
Judd is clueless off the field
Have a look at where we are at and the future saddled with blokes on long term contracts who are the most selfish footballers on the planet
Surely Judd is partly responsible


But again tell me
Anyone
What actually does the board actually do?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:44 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
Criticism of Judd and the manner of it is very poor. Not saying this because he played for us either, very astute businessman - he's no dummy.


He isn’t a dummy
But that doesn’t mean he should be on a footy board


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:04 am 
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keogh wrote:
Yeah what do they specifically do
Pratt’s role has involved commercial projects
Mathieson role is finance and List Management of the reserves
Judd is football department and list management

But isn’t the board as a collective responsible for setting the tone
Being in touch with how to be successful in 2021 on field

They always escape being scrutinized
I remember when Bolton was sacked a reporter asked our pres what about your position
Shouldn’t you be looked at
He seemed almost offended by being asked the question before categorically saying no
What has that got to do with anything keogh? anything?

They have failed Bondi
Simple as that
But hey it’s the people below them that cop the bullet in the head

The people below them get the jobs. Its normal. Some excel, some fail. That's life in reality.
@#$%&!, even I was given a role in Executive Management...were they desperate or something? or did I bluff them? or was a good guy they wanted on board?
Mistakes are made. Getting people wrong is normal.


Big changes
Big deal Why do you mock change when that's what you cry for? It is a BIG deal. I care. Its needed.
There was big changes 6 years ago and look what’s happened
And all those board members were there then except Judd who came on board in 2017

So what stops Judd from voicing an opinion about the ridiculous MCGovern trade
He is one voice...was one voice on the Board. Do you know how Boards work? I know you don't. We all know you don't, but that doesn't matter. Your opinion is valued, as for your slander...well that's stuff that should left in the gutter

Or paying two HBFs 1.5 million a year for 5 years then paying Zac another $850000 after that
2 blokes who have not one defensive bone in their body and can’t play midfield to save themselves over a combined 16 years of senior footy at other clubs
Does Judd have an opinion about this?
Can he as a board member say “ nup not rubber stamping that one”
Or actually thinks there good ideas
Judd is clueless off the field You reckon? Based on what?

Have a look at where we are at and the future saddled with blokes on long term contracts who are the most selfish footballers on the planet
Surely Judd is partly responsible Yes he is, but because he can't make change he's leaving. You have to respect that. Its our loss. It should be Cain who should be gone TBH. He got the job to show us how to increase membership. Another poor decision to select him as CEO, and let him put his fingers where they don't belong. Thank god he didnt get everything his way. Judd didn't need to stay and fight with him like you'd wwant him too. Judd is too professional for that. Nothing to do with being clueless, lacking balls...he provided his opinion, take it or leave it. He's a smart guy. Knows when to hold them, knows when to fold them. I take my hat off to him,


But again tell me
Anyone
What actually does the board actually do?


Boards do what Boards do.
Everyone knows what Boards do.
You are not looking for an answer, you're being facetious.

You've got Pratt and Mathieson wrong, all wrong.
You have this picture, and written job description
Lets just start by looking at them as Figureheads, and wise old heads, as patriarch and matriarch.
Without them, good chance we would be around anymor, when Collins was handing over the keys.
We are lucky to have them.
They don't meddle in all the stuff you think.

Next.....the Board has changed form and is changing.
Change takes time. Plans change all the time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:05 am 
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keogh wrote:
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Criticism of Judd and the manner of it is very poor. Not saying this because he played for us either, very astute businessman - he's no dummy.


He isn’t a dummy
But that doesn’t mean he should be on a footy board


He resigned from this Board.
Tenure finishes end of this year.

Your loss keogh and every Carlton supporter's loss too.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:33 am 
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Still haven’t told me what they actually do


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:39 pm 
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keogh wrote:
Still haven’t told me what they actually do



Come on keogh, you don't know what a Board of Directors do?

Like I said, you're pitching it as a facetious question.

In a nutshell, in plain English....

The Board meet to discuss current business and plans moving forward to get the best outcome for the group.

The agenda they discuss will be information, thoughts and opinions gathered by management or a pressing urgent matter.

They will charter consultants with specific strengths to add to the discussion and help with making the best decision in the decision making process.

The process entails a vote by all the Board of Directors.

There will be differences. There needs to be otherwise they would be rubber stamping and better options ignored.

Now, you know. Now, tell me how is Judd guilty of all those things you accuse him with?

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