I'm with Drewgirl on this. Fail to find anything odd and a bit bemused why anyone would. And for the record I am far from the PC woke mob in case anyone wants to put ridiculous labels on me.

OK NTTIAWWT can be seen as patronising, so what, do we ban the use? Like you said, why bother bringing it up? Some common sayings do need to be retired from public usage, is this one of them? And this is a very common saying in this forum, if you think we should stop using it then say so.

You’re also being disingenuous about an article on gay footballers being odd. That isn’t what was said by anyone except you.

It was said that it was odd that Pavlich published an article at the same time he starts a club review. Not related? Fine, move on.

So Pav has published different articles in the past, has he? Thanks for bringing them up. Move on.

No need to attack the OP, just maintain respectful conversation.

Geez this is review is pretty quiet or are they have problems with the internet connection and zoom meetings ??

They should of kept their Optus sponsorship

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

Tom Morris confirming review has finished and findings to be presented to the Board in the coming days

I guess watch this space and the end of Teague is here ...

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#sayerscouldbetheman!!

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

What about the club internally recognizing there is a problem rather than outsiders working it out
Will be interesting what the 3 amigos come up with

So you have no confidence in the incumbents but you want them to decide the future?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I’m an AFL Member with Carlton membership package - I’ve been voting at Carlton AGMs for years - so not sure what this constitutional amendment is about.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

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“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus.”
Turkish Proverb

They are recognising that there is a problem by instigating the review, that's accurate isn't it?

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Partly
You think after 20 years of this sacking people in important positions and we are 13 th near the end of 6 years of another rebuild that people like Sayers whose been at the club for a while would know what the problem is. He Jeannie, Craig and others clearly can’t put their finger on what the problem is

Often that’s the case when your a major part of the problem
As I said before the board needs changing
I read that there are changes to allow a person to be President after 11 years on the board
So essentially you could be on the board for 16 years
5 as El Supremo
@#$%&! me dead
Basically we need someone who actually works for the club to recognize the problem address and change the place
Not to overate where we are at
The people there at the moment are ignorant
Proof
Look at the weekend
Look at the last 20 years
Sacking Teague and getting Clarko does not solve the problem
The problem gets recycled again

I have zero confidence in the board understanding what it takes to be a successful AFL club onfield
in 2021
At least Judd and Jake Blues arnt there in 2022
So who replaces them
Another hand picked pair from the same cloth

Yet they're the ones you want conducting the review instead of external appointees?
You're so busy bagging everything the club does that you're now arguing against yourself.

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Since Ratten was sacked there have been 198 rounds of football
We have been in the eight eight times
The next worst is GC with 28
On that basis arnt I not entitled to bag the club
And that’s from late 2012
And yet the people that run the club have to get people outside of the club to tell them what’s wrong

The board are clearly the underlying problem
They are out of touch with how to be a successful club on the field in the modern age
The recruiting decisions by this club are an absolute disgrace of the highest order
Look at our record
It’s shit
And time and time again the coach is the one mentioned the most as the root of the problem
An external review is called window dressing

So, tldr version, this abomination of a board who are all mouth breathers who struggle to tell apart their ass and their elbow, should be conducting the review rather than fresh external eyes.

Might want to rethink that one fella

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

The board sought the review
Are they being reviewed by Walsh and co

There is something wrong with the club and it’s not fundamentally coaches, etc.
The root of the problem lies with the one constant through the last decade
Mathieson,Pratt …
I don’t know how you break that cycle but we need a Brendan Gale type guy or girl to be appointed to change the culture of the club
Doing an external review is called deflection

So the answer is to put our CEO on the board as an Executive Director?

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The only way for some people to understand is for them to be on the receiving end

Left wing moralists
In self serving denial
They shit me no end

IMO the answer is for someone else to run the club from the top that knows what their doing
Given the last 10 years it’s obvious that the club generally doesn’t

Simplifying it when talking about being successful in a team sport.
Carlton are a part of an AFL competition that promotes equalization.
So over a ten year period to be in the eight for 4% of the time it just isn’t a problem of who is the coach, recruiting officer, bootstudder whatever

It’s a general problem right across the organization
And like any working organization that doesn’t reach its goals the problem stems from the top
Which is the board
An example
How does Marc Murphy keep getting a game
He doesn’t deserve a game he clearly reached the end of the road last year
Blokes like Honey and Ramsay deserve a go given their output in the twos
That to me doesn’t make sense in a so called team environment
When this sort of stuff happens the system breaks down

If people on the selection committee are making these decisions which are clearly wrong when talking about team sport it’s incumbent on the board or more specifically in this case Chris Judd to step in and do something about it
Juddy wouldn’t do that because off field he has no balls

No doubt there is work to do and something culturally needs to change to drive sustained on field performance.
In their defence, the same board are getting plenty right off field & maybe it takes time to convert that into on field performance. Is that done by appointing a Gale or similar to the board? Maybe? No idea really..

FWIW Gale became CEO of Richmond in 2009. Took them a while to convert that change into on field success - you'd have been calling for his head by half way through 2010 i reckon.