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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 8:58 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:01 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.


Cameron
Duncan
Selwood

A team can cope with 2-3 key players out especially when you are top four type team

We are missing too many key players to establish a playing style good enough to play finals.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:11 pm 
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Location: Swimmin' in a fish bowl..
Can someone please slap Harry McKay around the ears,
and insist that he develops a set-shot routine for EVERY kick at goal?
Yes, he's a gun, and we're fortunate to have him - but too often he's a rabbit in the spotlight.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:13 pm 
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We have to many soft down hill skiers who look brilliant when we are up and about but go missing when is gets tough.

Martin Setterfield Dow Fogarty Newes ( apart from 1st quarter) SPS Williams Williamson Owies and Betts at times all really struggle to impact games when going gets tough.

If Walsh Weiters JSOS Stocker Curnow weren't giving their all we would get belted

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:13 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.


Cameron
Duncan
Selwood

A team can cope with 2-3 key players out especially when you are top four type team

We are missing too many key players to establish a playing style good enough to play finals.

Those 3 are pretty big names! Imagine being good enough to win comfortably with talent like that in the stands. Dahlhaus would walk into our team too.

Anyway, I agree with the main point - we have too many injuries. We need to be careful not to use it as a cop out though. Some of our problems have little or nothing to do with our injury list.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:14 pm 
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We are a shit club
We reward blokes based on reputation draft position and pay packet
Martin has to be dropped
He is taking the piss
Laughing all the way to the bank
Where is Honey
Setterfield hasn’t played for a month and is gifted a game and delivers turd of the highest order
Ramsay played well last week
But no we play the top 10 draft pick who we gave up two picks to get him

This club is weak insipid
No doubt
Interesting you dont hear a lot from Cazzeman and others as much these days
They don’t want to hear the truth
Are you listening Sayers
Or are you just another bloke who says a lot but does @#$%&! all


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:16 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.


Cameron
Duncan
Selwood

A team can cope with 2-3 key players out especially when you are top four type team

We are missing too many key players to establish a playing style good enough to play finals.


It’s just the guys that are out injured it’s the guys that are playing injured. Williams, Martin, Cripps are all well below fitness required for AFL. Betts looked sore


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:18 pm 
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BlueJean wrote:
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It’s getting pretty tiring talking about this mob. Jumper looks the same, the blokes representing it for the most part under DT have not done it proud. What will change that will come out in the wash with this Review. 6 more games for DT as a Carlton coach it appears.


Yep...injuries aside, it's just a rinse-repeat with conditional intensity and commitment in a structure-less maelstrom that on the ground defies the fact that there are 18 footballers against 18 other footballers...not sure where our players are but there's either half the team trying to tackle one player or not a player in sight during a chain of disposals


Glad you appear to be “on my side” 99prelim.

There seems to be quite a lot of supporters out there falling for the bait, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

We need a coach with higher expectations.

I would go hard for Choco Williams. Unfashionable but the shakeup the club needs.


I'm not a Teague fan Blue Jean...having said that, I'm not a Choco or Clarko fan...Lyon is worth looking at

We are going nowhere under DT IMHO

The actions we see on the field are a product of the mindset our players have before entering the field...that is DTs job to oversee...the brain is the most powerful muscle in our body...look no further than Jack Silvagni, Sam Walsh and Jacob Weitering...their actions are a direct result of what their brain is insisting they do...no team has all its members with the intrinsic motivation to succeed like those 3 guys. Great coaches work with players to sell them a vision; get the extrinsic motivation juices flowing...after that, many players buy-in and become intrisically motivated

If players don't buy-in (whether its with extrinsic or intrinsic motivation), they need to be sent back to the VFL to realise that AFL clubs aren't a charity or superannuation scheme. If they still don't get the message, they are shown the door at the end of their contracts or even earlier

We are a dogs breakfast in this department

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:19 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.


Cameron
Duncan
Selwood

A team can cope with 2-3 key players out especially when you are top four type team

We are missing too many key players to establish a playing style good enough to play finals.

Those 3 are pretty big names! Imagine being good enough to win comfortably with talent like that in the stands. Dahlhaus would walk into our team too.

Anyway, I agree with the main point - we have too many injuries. We need to be careful not to use it as a cop out though. Some of our problems have little or nothing to do with our injury list.


Charlie - Marchbank - Docherty - Jones - Pittonet - Cunningham etc is bigger for us or if too injury prone need to be replaced.

They would be listed by list management as key to important players.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:30 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Docherty
Charlie
Marchbank
Pittonet
Jones
Fisher
Cunningham
Gibbons (?)

Would have been nice today fit and firing.

Geelong had some fair outs this week too.


Cameron
Duncan
Selwood

A team can cope with 2-3 key players out especially when you are top four type team

We are missing too many key players to establish a playing style good enough to play finals.


We were playing 2 key position players short, we were never winning this game. We tried to adapt and play a different style to counteract it, which worked in all bar execution in front of goal. That however isn’t a game style issue.

Only player who’s effort you could really fault today was Setterfields, Fogarty didn’t have one of his best days either.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:33 pm 
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I've said this before, but we are such a fragile confidence based team that when we miss those easy shots early on we really @#$%&! it up for ourselves.

Tonight was obviously a particularly bad example of that. I don't know why we're so bad this year with our goal kicking but surely it's not a hard thing to fix overall.

Setterfield, Martin and Fogarty were really disappointing.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:09 pm 
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missnaut wrote:
I've said this before, but we are such a fragile confidence based team that when we miss those easy shots early on we really @#$%&! it up for ourselves.

Tonight was obviously a particularly bad example of that. I don't know why we're so bad this year with our goal kicking but surely it's not a hard thing to fix overall.

Setterfield, Martin and Fogarty were really disappointing.
Martin isn't fit but no excuse for the other 2.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:17 pm 
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So why play him


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 10:34 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Walsh wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Got to sit behind the goals this time. Few rows behind the camera man, 2nd level @ punt road end.

Thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to watch from behind the goals - really is the best way to analyse the game.

Thoroughly stupefied at our structures and dumbfounded by our decision making.

PS: Geelong are not that good. They won't go deep into finals this year. Walsh will have a premiership medal by the time he's done (and a norm smith, and a brownlow or three... hopefully for Carlton) and Henderson and Tuohey will shave none of the above.


If I was the club I would be finding the cheapest and largest broom I could find at Bunnings and sweep the entire coaching panel out.


Why?


I’ll let another poster with more footy nous answer that.

One clue though is defensive efforts, tackling and execution skills.


So you admit you have no idea. Fair enough. I'll leave it at that too.


We'll soon run out of quality posters if this @#$%&! wit is continuously given carte blanche to personally attack posters with no provocation whatsoever.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:02 pm 
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As strange as it sounds after a 4 goal + loss, I thought it was one of our best performances for the year. For the first time under Teagues coaching, I thought our defensive cohesion and intent was high quality and up to AFL standard.
Whether it be from his hand being forced by the review, or the line coaches getting more of an input or Teague being more flexible in his approach, it was refreshing to see our defensive structures and efforts.
Obviously we turned the ball over too often which possibly resulted from taking too many risks to move the ball quickly (Which Teague stupidly wanted).
Seriously, we have one real tall forward and instead of being methodical in our approach inside 50, we chose to bang it in there quickly. :screwy:

Whatever the case, if we can play more often with that game structure instead of the easily beaten philosophy of stretching the ground, we'll win more games than we lose. Especially when we get some much needed players back into the team.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:23 pm 
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Thanks BV for the analysis food for thought
what did surprise me is that we seem to allow Stewart to be the spare behind the ball and then routinely kick it to him even when we had no talk forwards
Very disheartening all those points never going to win kicking 5 goals 14 and so few inside 50 s

Walsh and Weitering stars -TDK Dow and stocker all look like the future

Thought Newnes better this week and JSOS I thought was good
Cripps and Martin don’t look fit to me

We are the worst tackling side in the AFL


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:24 pm 
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Wow cannot believe how bad Setterfield was. His refusal to tackle was glaring. He can take his bruise free approach elsewhere.

Cats get plenty of drive out of Tom Stewart… he’s a beauty! Need to make him accountable. Coaching panel should of addressed this.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:29 pm 
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I’ve bitten my tongue numerous times BV but Walsh really does seem clueless.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:30 pm 
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I thought we played ok.
Huge size difference, but the boys were up for the fight.

I don't mind them going for broke, to see what they can do, and I'm hoping they learn what they can't do fast.

Jones would have been handy releasing Plow on the 3rd tall and the flow on from there.

I wish Harry could nail them shots. All of them that are gettable.

I don't want to see Fogarty, Setterfield or Williamson next year.
Willo wasn't bad tonight, but he's badly one side by foot and tonight showed he has a problem with a right hand handball. That's not helpful at the highest level.

I thought Martin should have imposed himself more.

Bad kicking is bad footy.
I'm proud of a lot the boys did today.
Spewin we lost.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 11:35 pm 
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Injuries have hurt us this year and today it was at another level.
The butchering of the ball, composure and the lack of cohesion is hurting us weekly, today again terrible.
Today our kicking for goal was horrible but it’s been an underlying issue.
The game plan and structures over the last 3 weeks have looked better. Much better.
Just need to get our clearances and forward line setups and connections working.
Would like to see our boys run and carry more, by taking the extra handball, instead of kicking to contest as much as well.
I think it’s still on Teague and our coaches to fix.
We have talent to burn and IMO, not a bottom 8 side. So much talent.


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