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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:08 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I remember back in 1987.
Great year. Carlton Premiers.15th Premiership.

Dr Edelstein owned the Sydney Swans and Swanettes.
Sydney were the next big thing. Heady days.

Tom Hafey was coach.
His charter was to produce an attractive brand of footy to bring in the crowds to the SCG.
High Marking. High scoring. Daring. Different.
"Here's the chequebook" say the Doc.

Hafey did it. Had 7 losses along the way
But they played the most dazzling, amazing football anyone has ever seen week in week out for a while there.
Huge scores, week in week out by 198, 195, 185, peaking with the following run:

Def WCE kicking 201 points, next week
Def Effendrug* kicking 236 points



Ladder

1. Carlton 18W
2. Hawk 17W
3. Sydney 15 W
4. Nth 13W
5. Melb 12 W

Sydney got smacked in the finals by Hawks and Melb.

They were not a great defending team. Carlton smashed them physically to slow them down.
Capper wasn't flapping. Healey wasnt running and Rhys Jones put Williams off his game.
Our Mosquito fleet was the equal to Healey Mitchell Williams Wright Neagle Bolton

Moral of the story is you have to have more strings to your bow to win an AFL Flag.

You need an Offensive game, Defensive Game, Contested ball Game to have an even chance on the day.

Hopefully Carlton are building towards an era of success: a Dynasty. They key players are still young.

Need a great coach.

Teague needs to show he can bring 2 other parts of the game.
Its a mindset, injuries can't mask. One soldier in, one soldier out.




Our Mosquito Fleet was one of the most underrated brigade of footballers of all time.


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I don't think they were underrated.

After all, the media coined the term "Mosquito Fleet" after the Carlton on ball brigade, not the Swans, with their Brownlow Medalists, BnF's and many moving pink bits.

The media also coined the term "the Premiership Quarter" after Carlton's habit to dig deep in the 3rd quarter, after sucking on a few ciggies at half time, to come out with an avalanche of goals to put the game well beyond reach for our opponents.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:17 am 
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Or lying alongside Charlie, if you know what I mean.

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On the treatment table! You sick filth.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:36 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I remember back in 1987.
Great year. Carlton Premiers.15th Premiership.

Dr Edelstein owned the Sydney Swans and Swanettes.
Sydney were the next big thing. Heady days.

Tom Hafey was coach.
His charter was to produce an attractive brand of footy to bring in the crowds to the SCG.
High Marking. High scoring. Daring. Different.
"Here's the chequebook" say the Doc.

Hafey did it. Had 7 losses along the way
But they played the most dazzling, amazing football anyone has ever seen week in week out for a while there.
Huge scores, week in week out by 198, 195, 185, peaking with the following run:

Def WCE kicking 201 points, next week
Def Effendrug* kicking 236 points



Just had a look through the fixtures for that year - man, it really was another sport back then, hey? Loads of games with scorelines like 140-130, plenty of 20+.20+ scores, teams coming from a 25-pt 3QT deficit to win by 25 points. Also it was easy to spot when Melbourne was having a run of really shitty weather, as suddenly you get a day full of 40-30 scorelines. And yeah, some of those Sydney scorelines, wow! That 198 you mention was the game after the 236... so they scored 635 points across 3 consecutive games (aggregate winning margin: 384 points). And then the week after the 198 Carlton smashed them 123-55. :D

Ah, brings back memories of my childhood, hunkering down in my room at 2pm on a Saturday to listen to the radio... I was also at Kardinia Park that year when we smashed em by 11 goals, one of the very few Carlton games I've attended that went to plan...


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:48 pm 
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keogh wrote:
the problem is the recruiting in terms of mids
Kennedy and Dow have been good not awesome good in the last fortnight
Cripps is ok
Walsh gun
Curnow struggling
If O’ Connor plays then obviously he would tag Walsh

Last weeks Freo game once again highlighted how poor our mids are
Take Walsh out of it and where rooted
As I have said repeatedly it isn’t Teague it’s recruiting
Still would like to fast track Ramsay and Carroll


Curnow struggling?
Does anyone really believe he is a HBF or HFF?
If he was played where he should be, he'd be fine. Last time we played Freo he put the skids on Brayshaw. No surprise Brayshaw was good on the weekend as no one paid him any attention.
Mind you, when we played Freo in Perth last year, Ed had 10 clearances and 33 possessions.
The year before in Cripps absence he had 16 clearances. Freo's best was Fyfe with 6. When he's let loose to win the ball, he's very good at it and has an excellent recent record against the Dockers. I would have taken Cripps out of the midfield the past few weeks. We're getting smashed in there and he isn't winning the ball.
I'd be happy with Ed, Kennedy and Dow starting in the middle with Walsh first midfield rotation off the wing. Put Cripps in the forward pocket with short stints on ball.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:11 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I remember back in 1987.
Great year. Carlton Premiers.15th Premiership.

Dr Edelstein owned the Sydney Swans and Swanettes.
Sydney were the next big thing. Heady days.

Tom Hafey was coach.
His charter was to produce an attractive brand of footy to bring in the crowds to the SCG.
High Marking. High scoring. Daring. Different.
"Here's the chequebook" say the Doc.

Hafey did it. Had 7 losses along the way
But they played the most dazzling, amazing football anyone has ever seen week in week out for a while there.
Huge scores, week in week out by 198, 195, 185, peaking with the following run:

Def WCE kicking 201 points, next week
Def Effendrug* kicking 236 points



Ladder

1. Carlton 18W
2. Hawk 17W
3. Sydney 15 W
4. Nth 13W
5. Melb 12 W

Sydney got smacked in the finals by Hawks and Melb.

They were not a great defending team. Carlton smashed them physically to slow them down.
Capper wasn't flapping. Healey wasnt running and Rhys Jones put Williams off his game.
Our Mosquito fleet was the equal to Healey Mitchell Williams Wright Neagle Bolton

Moral of the story is you have to have more strings to your bow to win an AFL Flag.

You need an Offensive game, Defensive Game, Contested ball Game to have an even chance on the day.

Hopefully Carlton are building towards an era of success: a Dynasty. They key players are still young.

Need a great coach.

Teague needs to show he can bring 2 other parts of the game.
Its a mindset, injuries can't mask. One soldier in, one soldier out.




Our Mosquito Fleet was one of the most underrated brigade of footballers of all time.


:thumbsup:


I don't think they were underrated.

After all, the media coined the term "Mosquito Fleet" after the Carlton on ball brigade, not the Swans, with their Brownlow Medalists, BnF's and many moving pink bits.

The media also coined the term "the Premiership Quarter" after Carlton's habit to dig deep in the 3rd quarter, after sucking on a few ciggies at half time, to come out with an avalanche of goals to put the game well beyond reach for our opponents.




Bit of a hobby horse of mine - but I believe our 79-82 era side is very underrated against the Essendon* :roll: and Hawthorn sides of the 80’s.

:wink: :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:13 pm 
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What about Cripps at CHF - all game? JSos FP with some stints on ball?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:46 pm 
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I don't mind that. He's been marking well in recent weeks.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:04 pm 
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It would give us a look at the other midfielders - there's an image I've got of Dow handballing to Crippa (JSOS 1st goal?), It worked out well (even though Cripss was confronted almost as soon as he got the ball) but I cant help thinking that handball should not have happened but Dow (and others) seem to always give it off to Cripps without a thought...might be time to give them some space - I know some hope we make finals, but it might be a thought.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:12 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I remember back in 1987.
Great year. Carlton Premiers.15th Premiership.

Dr Edelstein owned the Sydney Swans and Swanettes.
Sydney were the next big thing. Heady days.

Tom Hafey was coach.
His charter was to produce an attractive brand of footy to bring in the crowds to the SCG.
High Marking. High scoring. Daring. Different.
"Here's the chequebook" say the Doc.

Hafey did it. Had 7 losses along the way
But they played the most dazzling, amazing football anyone has ever seen week in week out for a while there.
Huge scores, week in week out by 198, 195, 185, peaking with the following run:

Def WCE kicking 201 points, next week
Def Effendrug* kicking 236 points



Ladder

1. Carlton 18W
2. Hawk 17W
3. Sydney 15 W
4. Nth 13W
5. Melb 12 W

Sydney got smacked in the finals by Hawks and Melb.

They were not a great defending team. Carlton smashed them physically to slow them down.
Capper wasn't flapping. Healey wasnt running and Rhys Jones put Williams off his game.
Our Mosquito fleet was the equal to Healey Mitchell Williams Wright Neagle Bolton

Moral of the story is you have to have more strings to your bow to win an AFL Flag.

You need an Offensive game, Defensive Game, Contested ball Game to have an even chance on the day.

Hopefully Carlton are building towards an era of success: a Dynasty. They key players are still young.

Need a great coach.

Teague needs to show he can bring 2 other parts of the game.
Its a mindset, injuries can't mask. One soldier in, one soldier out.




Our Mosquito Fleet was one of the most underrated brigade of footballers of all time.


:thumbsup:


I don't think they were underrated.

After all, the media coined the term "Mosquito Fleet" after the Carlton on ball brigade, not the Swans, with their Brownlow Medalists, BnF's and many moving pink bits.

The media also coined the term "the Premiership Quarter" after Carlton's habit to dig deep in the 3rd quarter, after sucking on a few ciggies at half time, to come out with an avalanche of goals to put the game well beyond reach for our opponents.




Bit of a hobby horse of mine - but I believe our 79-82 era side is very underrated against the Essendon** :roll: and Hawthorn sides of the 80’s.

:wink: :thumbsup:


Maybe you think that.
Ask Effedrug and Hawks supporters which mids they remember from the 80's and they will name the Mosquito fleet...nearly all of them. Our Mosquito fleet left them with indelible scars.
The media still talk about the great squad of midfielders we had back in the day, even anti Carlton pricks like Robbo.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:13 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Steve_C7 wrote:
In all due respect to Fox footy, they are analysts and as such show graphics that suit the point they are wanting to make and even premiership teams will be poor in some metric which could be highlighted. They provide no insight into future trends of the game, nor do they accept that there are different styles that can be successful, analysts always compare teams to last years premiers and were critical to Richmonds game style before they were premiers ( Grigg in ruck, only 1 KPF etc)

To say that Teague has had 3 years or even being cute to say that he is in his 3rd year is unfair and untrue after all he still has a year and half left of his 3 YEAR contract...


Foxfooty showed a graphic from Champion data.
I'm not sure if you understand how it works but the data reflects the reality. It's not something some flower dreams up. It's data the clubs request and use to analyse the opposition.

Secondly, it's you who is trying to be "cute" with the dates. Under any assessment, David Teagues coaching record starts 8/6/19. To suggest he is in his third year isn't unfair, it's a @#$%&! fact.


Sorry if I offended you, but the reference to being cute is by saying he's on his third year sounds as if he has had 3 years when he has just completed 2 years and effectively no preseasons to refine his game plan .

I understand the champion data and never questioned its validity. I was just stating that the particular metric is just one data point and whether or not that particular metric is a focus for our game plan. You can't be prioritise every metric.

It's clear that we are trying to play a different style to Richmond, which all media commentators measure teams against. I for one appreciate that we are not trying to replicate the Richmond style as the biggest weakness we have on our list is small forwards and pressure players.

No one is arguing that our defence is up to standard, but Teague has said that he is trying to make the ground bigger and this is a tactic that will suit a tall mobile forward line, however he has never had that forward line at his disposal. Charlie, Harry and Gov has played no games together in Teague's time.

Regardless of all that, my main point that is constantly overlooked is that as a new coach, no other coach has had more obstacles in performing their role than Teague and therefor the pressure and judgement of him is premature and unjust.



Geez some people round here are soft.

Hopefully a call is made to move Teague on soon.

Brad Lloyd must also go.


Someone make this guy Prez.


Prez?...I’m fully invested in this club.

I know leadership and commitment to a craft when I see it.

Anyone who knows me would attest.

If anyone is aligned with the club or would like to meet for a coffee then drop me a PM.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 4:13 pm 
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What about Cripps at CHF - all game? JSos FP with some stints on ball?


I like that...a lot.

Gives us flexibility, added strength and marking power.

Jack vs danger. I would love to see that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:11 pm 
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I wouldn't be doubting Bluejean.........the bloke is connected to old Carlton royalty ( not that he spruces that ).

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Thanks, Mickstar! Hope you’re well mate.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:53 pm 
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Clarko's manager has just said that he will honor is contract at Hawthorn next year. Said it is what he wants to do and Hawthorn wants him too.

Ch.7 News.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:56 pm 
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Clarko's manager has just said that he will honor is contract at Hawthorn next year. Said it is what he wants to do and Hawthorn wants him too.

Ch.7 News.


That's good for everyone.

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Clarko's manager has just said that he will honor is contract at Hawthorn next year. Said it is what he wants to do and Hawthorn wants him too.

Ch.7 News.


Mick Malthouse and his manager said the same thing

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Melbourne are brilliant

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:22 pm 
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Fevolution wrote:
jim wrote:
Clarko's manager has just said that he will honor is contract at Hawthorn next year. Said it is what he wants to do and Hawthorn wants him too.

Ch.7 News.


Mick Malthouse and his manager said the same thing


Well he did honour the coaching side of the bargain, malty just didn’t do the director of football role at collingwood, something Clarko hasn’t been offered.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Big test for our elite coaching group today -about time we took a big scalp

Let’s hope they get the team up and we don’t have a holiday in the first quarter like in several games this year


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 3:09 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I remember back in 1987.
Great year. Carlton Premiers.15th Premiership.

Dr Edelstein owned the Sydney Swans and Swanettes.
Sydney were the next big thing. Heady days.

Tom Hafey was coach.
His charter was to produce an attractive brand of footy to bring in the crowds to the SCG.
High Marking. High scoring. Daring. Different.
"Here's the chequebook" say the Doc.

Hafey did it. Had 7 losses along the way
But they played the most dazzling, amazing football anyone has ever seen week in week out for a while there.
Huge scores, week in week out by 198, 195, 185, peaking with the following run:

Def WCE kicking 201 points, next week
Def Effendrug* kicking 236 points



Ladder

1. Carlton 18W
2. Hawk 17W
3. Sydney 15 W
4. Nth 13W
5. Melb 12 W

Sydney got smacked in the finals by Hawks and Melb.

They were not a great defending team. Carlton smashed them physically to slow them down.
Capper wasn't flapping. Healey wasnt running and Rhys Jones put Williams off his game.
Our Mosquito fleet was the equal to Healey Mitchell Williams Wright Neagle Bolton

Moral of the story is you have to have more strings to your bow to win an AFL Flag.

You need an Offensive game, Defensive Game, Contested ball Game to have an even chance on the day.

Hopefully Carlton are building towards an era of success: a Dynasty. They key players are still young.

Need a great coach.

Teague needs to show he can bring 2 other parts of the game.
Its a mindset, injuries can't mask. One soldier in, one soldier out.




Our Mosquito Fleet was one of the most underrated brigade of footballers of all time.


:thumbsup:


I don't think they were underrated.

After all, the media coined the term "Mosquito Fleet" after the Carlton on ball brigade, not the Swans, with their Brownlow Medalists, BnF's and many moving pink bits.

The media also coined the term "the Premiership Quarter" after Carlton's habit to dig deep in the 3rd quarter, after sucking on a few ciggies at half time, to come out with an avalanche of goals to put the game well beyond reach for our opponents.




Bit of a hobby horse of mine - but I believe our 79-82 era side is very underrated against the Essendon** :roll: and Hawthorn sides of the 80’s.

:wink: :thumbsup:


We would have won the four premierships in a row if Percy Jones had not been coach in 1980. Anyone who knew anything about footy back then is aware Jones was only appointed as a popular selection for the Rice presidential ticket against the Harris / Jezza attempted takeover of the club.

1979 coach Jezza
1980 coach Percy
1981 coach Parkin
1982 coach Parkin

Speaks for itself.

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