That is a much tamer tone Walshy.

I think I'm in agreeance with this post, and I can see the list coming on, and injury a thing of the past.

but love the discussion from Sidex and 99, and what will be will be with Teague. I've said he's in over his head.

In Teague's defence he did try and extract as much from the senior players as he could, in the hope the kids developed in the VFL, but the seniors failed him.
They weren't going to start running the other way after a decade getting away with it, and with injuries, no one was running back to help, good plan or not.

Was it the players or was it Teague. who failed? He's the one who backed the players, and believed in them. That's the tail wagging the dog.

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Yeah fair enough but typical nonsense. Adding a layer mid season is not helpful considering the club was in a hub last year without VFL and clubs facilities.

Adding a layer will take some time to transition to full effectiveness but in turn that has taken time away to drill the squad to play elite ball movement on game day. It's no one's fault its just frustration.

Well that's charming isn't it?
You accuse me of lying and when I ask you to point out where I lied, surprise, surprise, you realise that I didn't say it at all.
You made it up like most of the shit you come out with.
And then when you have the opportunity to admit that you were wrong (Which you asked me to do), you come back with a piss weak attempt to worm out of it.
Even the other posters have pointed out that you're wrong.

To date I haven't attacked you personally, I've tried to stick to debating the facts. But you've shown you're incapable of that.

I won't accept being called a liar.

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If his coaching career started in 2020 as Walsh claims, his overall win % looks even worse

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

What career? This is probably his first real season and 15 games in utilising the VFL and clubs facilities.

.. he is definitely the best senior coach since Brett Ratten - the pithecus here were probably calling for Rattens blood after 10 games. Would not surprise me the way you guys post with aggression and hate.

I wouldn't worry to much Walshy . Teague job is safe because any perspective coach with half a brain would run a mile from carlton

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I don't think David Teague will lose his job. The only way that could ''possibly'' happen would be if Ross Lyon or Mark Williams were to come out and say ''I want to coach Carlton''. That won't happen for a number of reasons. For me the main one would be neither bloke would want to be seen as undermining the incumbent coach.

Solidarity and all that.

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Don't think Ross Lyon is too fussed about undermining sitting coaches...

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I'm not sure what layer you're referring to. Is it the defensive layer?
If so, imo, that's a must and the players seem to be adjusting, or Teague is.
We have won 2 on the trot.

I watched the last quarter of the last 2 wins consecutively, and that showed a different Carlton with a never say die attitude and a better defensive structure against a team that was charging at us for a win.

I'm looking forward to the attractive game with all out offense, but I want to know that our team has the defensive game to pull out when needed because you never know at which stage of a game we will need to, especially Finals.

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Why wouldn't it be?

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Well the team has adapted to a defensive game in four weeks to appease the media but that four weeks could have been spent to drill the players. I lost count how many times our forward 50 was left vacant. It's a pity Teague succumbed to media pressure he should be far braver than that and stick to his principles.

I don't think you accurately represent Teague's team development.

I think Teague's objective and plan for 2021 was to win games and play finals.

I think you make Teague look like the media is coaching the coach, and like the players, tail wagging the dog. You're not painting a very good picture for me of Teague; the man with the best laid plan.

BUT, I don't believe for a minute he has made changes to his development plans to appease the media. That's rubbish and pure sensationalism based on spontaneous idea imo, made out to sound like fact. How would you know that? You don't...unless you are very very close to Teague, or look a lot like him.

It looks like he hasn't got the plan sorted yet, and, only working on attack to get fans (as stated) through the turnstiles to watch us score (after years of ultra defense from Bolton, or, he doesn't have the Assistants to help him build on the defensive side of the game, because he:

A. is working exclusively on the developing the attacking side of the game
B. doesn't have a handle on defensive side of the game
C. relies on assistants to come up with the defensive side of the plan.

IF its the media that has shaken him up a bit, or highlighted shortfalls in his plan, because of see A,B,C above, then the media have definitely given him 2 wins on the trot froma more defesive mindset than he's planned for: his shortcomings.

To keep harping on that Defense is the antithesis of what Teague's game plan is, if true, then I don't want a single minded, stubborn coach in control of Carlton. Injuries or whatever (a greater force on game day, an equally good team etc etc) will see to it an offensive game plan will fail. There has to be a defensive mindset. You have to accept that. Its just part of planning. A big part.

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Can't have an all out offensive plan just to be different:

We don't have a dominant ruck to give us a leg up in the clearances/ stoppages.

We don't have the triple headed monster targets with Charlie injured, and Gov never in form or fit enough, Jack is a Blue Collar worker despite his upbringing, and that leaves TDK or Levi to be the 3rd tall targets of a triple headed monster.

Then there's the reliable midfield group to take us forward with Cripps a shadow of the man he was in 2019, kids still learning the trade, and top team, like Port and GWS will put a hard tag on Walsh.

You have to plan on the ball when its not in our hands.

The gap between the top team and the rest has closed since the Effendrug dominance in 2000.

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I guess this forum just wants to feed on its own narrative to think of its next hate filled orgy. I think thats why you guys post here as thats probably the only thing you live for.

There is no reason for Teague to change his ball movement gameplan other than media pressure. Especially mid season. The change in game day mechanics probably cost us two games against Eagles and GWS as players and coaches went in transition mode.

We havent lost by greater than 31 points against the big teams playing ball movement football and should have beaten a couple of them Bulldogs and Brisbane if Eddie didnt kick 0.4. Considering they were at full strength and we had many players down against these two top four teams makes the mid season change even more amusing. But you just believe what you want and prattle around your narrative in hope you find your next hate filled orgy.

I don't get the reasoning for the opening line Walshy. I don't know you and you don't know me. I don't agree with most of the posters hers on TC, and we have disagreements, so I have no idea where you get the idea we feed off our own narrative. That's not true. We all love Carlton and have different opinions. I get your opinion, but feel its not really representative of Teague's plan or his way. You've taken one part of his game plan and think that's it.

Everyone loves your positive outlook and defense of Teague, but you really don't like anyone having their own opinion or pointing out Teague's shortfalls. You make out he's perfect. Well, let me just say, he's human.

I consider myself a successful person in my own business and as corporate Exec. I've had a hugely fun life. Ive played in Bands, Played for a few footy teams. Owned nightclubs. Seen the World. Plenty of parties, plenty of girls and plenty of mates all around the world. I retired at 55. I'm over 60yo, still don't have grey hair and go hard with FOMO attitude. There's more to my life than Carlton. Its just that I need for Carlton to be successful for my kids to enjoy, like I did growing up, not just because they are my kids,. but I got them into this (mess) Carlton team. Plus I'm on cloud 9 when they win. I like a buzz.

Like you, I love Carlton. Its my past time. My self made free time. Lockdown is keeping me in Sydney, otherwise I've been emancipated since I finished high school.

I'm just trying to point you to a reasonable middle ground; that's all.

Calm the farm, and lets discuss both sides of the story without the bitterness and malice.

Even Teague will tell you he's tweaking things every week, since round 1.

The effort wasn't there on game day against WCE and GWS. The players were not motivated enough to put their head over the ball and win it: nothing to do with game plan, media or whatever. It was conditional behaviour that leads to a loss. GWS isn't that far ahead of us, but they've enjoyed the biggest win against a Carlton team this year. They shouldn't have.

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Wrong

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.